Bible Study God's Mystery

[ezrider]

Thanks old friend. Especially for "Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
for brethren to dwell together in unity!" What must we do ezrider to see this happen even in our lifetime? Talk about a mystery, even in this Forum Brothers and Sisters quarrel about doctrine when the same Holy Sprit is supposed to indwell us all. There is something definitely wrong here and my heart grieves that the Scripture that is the banner of this thread looks like an impossibility.

What do you suppose that we can do ezrider? In my heart I hear our blessed Lord wanting change and all I can do is make these notes and pray for change.

What must we do? Well, for starters we must forget all that we think we know about the Scriptures, and then listen to the Spirit of Christ. Hear HIS WORD as they we given unto you, as the commandment coming forth from Zion. The commandment began with the ten blessings given at the sermon on the mount. The law as it came forth from Zion to be written in your hearts came with those ten blessings. Set aside everything that you believe for a moment, and just re-read the sermon on the mount (Matthew 5-7), Hear the Spirit of the Words of Jesus as they were meant for you hear. Listen to His Voice, listen to His commandment.


FORGIVE ONE ANOTHER AS I HAVE FORGIVEN YOU.
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[ezrider]

Micah 4:1-2
But in the last days it shall come to pass,
that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains,
and it shall be exalted above the hills;
and people shall flow unto it.
And many nations shall come, and say,
Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
and to the house of the God of Jacob;
and he will teach us of his ways,
and we will walk in his paths:
for the law shall go forth of Zion,
and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem


Matthew 5:38-48
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.


Micah 4:3-7
And he shall judge among many people,
and rebuke strong nations afar off;
and they shall beat their swords into plowshares,
and their spears into pruninghooks:
nation shall not lift up a sword against nation,
neither shall they learn war any more.
But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree;
and none shall make them afraid:
for the mouth of the Lord of hosts hath spoken it.
For all people will walk every one in the name of his god,
and we will walk in the name of the Lord our God for ever and ever.
In that day, saith the Lord, will I assemble her that halteth,
and I will gather her that is driven out,
and her that I have afflicted;
And I will make her that halted a remnant,
and her that was cast far off a strong nation:
and the Lord shall reign over them in mount Zion
from henceforth, even for ever.
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[ezrider]

The message of Jesus was not one of war, but of peace. To beat our swords into plowshares and our spears into pruning hooks. To forgive one another, to love your enemies, to turn the other cheek. In doing these we find the fertile soil where the seed of the Kingdom lies. The parables of Jesus are of seeds and vines. The seeds are found by turning the soil with your plowshare, and the pruning hooks come after the seed has matured, and even then the pruning should be left to the master of the vineyard.

There is a mystery involved in being knit together in love. This involves our Standard Jesus Christ in how He loved His Father and how His Father loved Him. IMO, God is calling us to imitate this treasure that the godhead demonstrated for our understanding and practice with each other in this Forum and to take this to our local Churches.

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The mystery of Christ in us. The Spirit of Christ in us, a marriage of Spirit, a union of sorts so that the two become one flesh. To be formed in the image of Christ.

Romans 8:28-29
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

To be conformed to the image of the Son, to imitate this treasure, means that we need to understand what the image of the Son was. The image of the Son, the example of Jesus the Son of Man was not the the image of a God in all his Glory, the image and example of Jesus the Son of Man was that of a brother and a servant, Faithful even unto death.

Philippians 2:5-8
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

 

[Chopper]

OK ezrider, Home Run for you. The sermon on the mount is what my heart was looking for but just needed someone like you to point it out. As you know, I'm a student of the Scriptures, but as of late, my spirit has been reluctant to re-study what I've learned for so long. I will, according to your instruction, look again at Matthew 5 and call upon the Spirit of God to open my eyes and ears to what is burning in my spirit.

Thank you so very much for putting a big piece of this mystery puzzle in it's rightful place....I'm excited about what will be revealed to me....I would suggest that others, not just me, do the same as you have instructed.

 

[eddif]

The message of Jesus was not one of war, but of peace. To beat our swords into plowshares and our spears into pruning hooks.

Every time I see a rolling pin beat carnal swords into plowshares and spears into pruning hooks; I know that the church is alive and well.

Their are several that return changed. There are others that need to return. All administration is at work (I just used one example). Jesus did his work without sin, but we are all corrected at times.

eddif

 

[eddif]

Micah 4:1-2
But in the last days it shall come to pass,
that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains,
and it shall be exalted above the hills;
and people shall flow unto it.
And many nations shall come, and say,
Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
and to the house of the God of Jacob;
and he will teach us of his ways,
and we will walk in his paths:
for the law shall go forth of Zion,
and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem

IMHO
The word was placed in the hearts and minds of the Jewish people
These new changed people taught grace rather than Law.
The source was the New Jerusalem coming down out of Heaven (the city Abraham sought whose builder and maker was God)
These people preached to the Gentiles. Then Jew and Gentile alike sought the New.

Romans 7:25 KJV
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Our head (where the spirit of our mind resides) sits on the hills of our tabernacle of our body (covered with hides and bones / staves give it shape). You really have to think in symbols (not everyone does), to see Moses Time Baptized in the sea or the New Jerusalem.

I absolutely do not know why I wound up involved in all this.
When understood the following opens.
Romans 1:19-21 KJV
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Blood moons, human body structure etc. ( all have hidden treasures from creation).

The Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[Douglas Summers]

IMHO
The word was placed in the hearts and minds of the Jewish people
These new changed people taught grace rather than Law.
The source was the New Jerusalem coming down out of Heaven (the city Abraham sought whose builder and maker was God)
These people preached to the Gentiles. Then Jew and Gentile alike sought the New.

Romans 7:25 KJV
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Our head (where the spirit of our mind resides) sits on the hills of our tabernacle of our body (covered with hides and bones / staves give it shape). You really have to think in symbols (not everyone does), to see Moses Time Baptized in the sea or the New Jerusalem.

I absolutely do not know why I wound up involved in all this.
When understood the following opens.
Romans 1:19-21 KJV
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Blood moons, human body structure etc. ( all have hidden treasures from creation).

The Mississippi redneck
eddif

Hi eddif, using IMHO in ministering or teaching, takes away the assurance or foundation of things taught as being an opinion and not sound doctrine (unless it is an opinion) Then it carries no weight to the hearer.. If you have prayerfully studied and the Holy Spirit confirms it is correct doctrine, then teach with conviction, that gives a solid foundation for the hearer to stand on, because it is Truth and not an opinion. The Lord has few laborers in these last days that are preparing the way for the Lord. But many false prophets.

In Christ
Douglas Summers

 

[eddif]

Hi eddif, using IMHO in ministering or teaching, takes away the assurance or foundation of things taught as being an opinion and not sound doctrine (unless it is an opinion) Then it carries no weight to the hearer.. If you have prayerfully studied and the Holy Spirit confirms it is correct doctrine, then teach with conviction, that gives a solid foundation for the hearer to stand on, because it is Truth and not an opinion. The Lord has few laborers in these last days that are preparing the way for the Lord. But many false prophets.

In Christ
Douglas Summers

The flesh does the IMHO.
The mind of Christ speaks as an oracle of God.

I Corinthians 7:40 KJV
But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.

Deciding just where we are (?).

I Corinthians 14:29 KJV
Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.



eddif

 

[Douglas Summers]

The flesh does the IMHO.
The mind of Christ speaks as an oracle of God.

I Corinthians 7:40 KJV
But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.

Deciding just where we are (?).

I Corinthians 14:29 KJV
Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.



eddif

In 1 Cor. 7:40 advice from Paul is stated beforehand that It was not a commandment from God, but his, by the mercy of the Lord it was better because of the distress of the times against the church. And a man could not concentrate on the matters at hand for the Lord.

1 Cor. 14:29 has to do with order in the Church service that there be no confusion and all leaving the service are edified as one body in Christ, so as we should also be.

 

[eddif]

Thanks old friend. Especially for "Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
for brethren to dwell together in unity!" What must we do ezrider to see this happen even in our lifetime? Talk about a mystery, even in this Forum Brothers and Sisters quarrel about doctrine when the same Holy Sprit is supposed to indwell us all. There is something definitely wrong here and my heart grieves that the Scripture that is the banner of this thread looks like an impossibility.

What do you suppose that we can do ezrider? In my heart I hear our blessed Lord wanting change and all I can do is make these notes and pray for change.

I suppose we do dwell together in unity.
Under the OC, some of us would have been stoned before we even joined this web site.

I will admitt that needing discipline points to needing to confess sins.
I John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

That is a better deal than being stoned on the evidence of two or three witnesses.

Our unity is strained at times, but there is a lot of liberty too. While the hearts of men grow cold:
Matthew 24:12
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

I John 3:20 KJV
For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

While most see our hearts as the center of our spirit, I think it is not. Do not panic. Take a deep breath.
Romans 7:25
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Our heart can meditate on the Word (new born heart)
Our mind can meditate on the Word (new born mind)

Our former desperately wicked heart depends on the suffering death and resurrection of Jesus.
Our former carnal mind depends on the Holy Spirit sent from heaven.

Since many do not talk of this, I do not wish this to sidetrack the whole thread. We are discussing salvation though.
Reba has talked of the Glorious body of Christ in the now. I agree with her. Neither of us will see totally eye to eye.
A stomach does not think like a hand.
An eye does not think like a kidney.
A lung does not operate like a liver
The church is a diverse body. We are members of that body. Your hurting should be recognized by all. My solution may not be the one for every issue of your life. Your solution may not solve every issue in my life, but every body part is recognized and needed.

I used some inner body parts, and I hope that caused no harm.

As we work out our problems; we are the glorious church of our Lord Jesus Christ. We are not without sin as he was, but at the last trump and judgement throne all will be settled.

Chopper I appreciate you. Thanks for this thread. Thanks for tolerating an arm pit (eddif).

In Christ (although from Mississippi)
eddif

 

[eddif]

If we take the following concept:

I Corinthians 3:6 KJV
I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

Can we take Colossians and answer some of the following
And
Define in specific terms what Colossians 2 is in this total scheme of things.

Who, when, where, why, how - much / many, which etc.

Use bible verses if possible.

Jerk from Mississippi
eddif

 

[smaller]

We all have natural difficulties dealing with our 'built in' contrariness. And this is also why we can only see in part, and as through glass, darkly.

Galatians 5:17
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

This is an impossible situation to remedy. We're all quite busy and wrapped up trying to justify the unjustifiable, and make that which is contrary, not contrary. It can't be done. Few, very few, care to look to why this is. It takes an action of God to force us to look. And to make us honest about this contrariness that does still exist.

This contrariness is actually the 'basis' of our Hope and also the basis of Mercy from God in Christ. Without this contrariness we have no "need" of Divine Mercy. Mercy is based on need.

Paul nails our exact Hope, here:

Philippians 3:21
Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

We all know, by our Spiritual Nature, that this contrariness does exist with each of us, personally. But we seldom, if ever, speak of it. Few, very few, care to go down this path and intensely "examine" this contrariness in the Light of His Word.

It's just not a pleasant place to go. And because of the contrariness, that place is filled to the brim with "resistance" to the things of God.

And where we "all" usually end up is on this same spot: Just tell me the good stuff. All the bad stuff is for somebody else, and doesn't apply to me, me, me.

That isn't the case.

 

[Douglas Summers]

I suppose we do dwell together in unity.
Under the OC, some of us would have been stoned before we even joined this web site.

I will admitt that needing discipline points to needing to confess sins.
I John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

That is a better deal than being stoned on the evidence of two or three witnesses.

Our unity is strained at times, but there is a lot of liberty too. While the hearts of men grow cold:
Matthew 24:12
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

I John 3:20 KJV
For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

While most see our hearts as the center of our spirit, I think it is not. Do not panic. Take a deep breath.
Romans 7:25
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Our heart can meditate on the Word (new born heart)
Our mind can meditate on the Word (new born mind)

Our former desperately wicked heart depends on the suffering death and resurrection of Jesus.
Our former carnal mind depends on the Holy Spirit sent from heaven.

Since many do not talk of this, I do not wish this to sidetrack the whole thread. We are discussing salvation though.
Reba has talked of the Glorious body of Christ in the now. I agree with her. Neither of us will see totally eye to eye.
A stomach does not think like a hand.
An eye does not think like a kidney.
A lung does not operate like a liver
The church is a diverse body. We are members of that body. Your hurting should be recognized by all. My solution may not be the one for every issue of your life. Your solution may not solve every issue in my life, but every body part is recognized and needed.

I used some inner body parts, and I hope that caused no harm.

As we work out our problems; we are the glorious church of our Lord Jesus Christ. We are not without sin as he was, but at the last trump and judgement throne all will be settled.

Chopper I appreciate you. Thanks for this thread. Thanks for tolerating an arm pit (eddif).

In Christ (although from Mississippi)
eddif

No harm. We just need to support and lift each other up in these last days so that our calling and election is not compromised by the flesh, in which we all are capable of. A good example in Scripture would be when Paul and Peter were visited by the Jewish brethren at a meal with Gentile believers (Gal. 2:11-14) I'am subject to the same as any other believer, but I find that the closer I walk in the Spirit, the more solid is the conviction and standing of my calling and election in His teaching.

In Christ
Douglas Summers

 

[LovethroughDove]

This thread brings to mind the following scriptures:
Matthew 12:26-28 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

United in Christ is always the way to go. And that looks like 1 John 4:16-17 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like him.

 

[Douglas Summers]

This thread brings to mind the following scriptures:
Matthew 12:26-28 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

United in Christ is always the way to go. And that looks like 1 John 4:16-17 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like him.

Amen, It is the division that Satan thrives on. Oh that the Church would unite against division and material wealth and unite in correct doctrine as one new man in God in Jesus Christ. You must be born again. There is no gain in reading the Bible as a script and acting out the parts as in a play.

Thanks
In Christ
Douglas Summers

 

[eddif]

Jeremiah 31:34
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Matthew 7:7
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

eddif

 

[eddif]

The New Jerusalem:
Located on 7 spiritual hills / truths
Seen with the contrite eyes / heart / mind
Having 12 spiritual gates
Jewels in the 12 foundations
Corner stone of Christ Jesus
The tree of life bearing spiritual fruits

And knowing the welding goggles I look through, there is much detail I am missing.

The mystery can be identified and explained with three short statements (?).

eddif

 

[ezrider]

Zechariah 3:7-11
Thus saith the Lord of hosts;
If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge,
then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts,
and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.
Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou,
and thy fellows that sit before thee:
for they are men wondered at:
for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the Branch.
For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua;
upon one stone shall be seven eyes:
behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of hosts,
and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
In that day, saith the Lord of hosts,
shall ye call every man his neighbour
under the vine and under the fig tree.


Luke 10:26-29
He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live. But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?


In that day, saith the Lord of hosts,
shall ye call every man his neighbour.

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[ezrider]

Zechariah 4:6
Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying,
Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit,
saith the Lord of hosts.

 

[Chopper]

I have done what you have suggested. My intense study of the Scriptures has ceased for now and I'm concentrating on the 10 Commandments and the Blessings of Matthew five. I want you to know that I'm experiencing my first love in a fresh way and He is comforting me.