Grailhunter's Classroom

[Grailhunter]

You're a tough schoolmaster!

Ya know I have been at this for a while and the Truth can shock people. So I am ready for the response.

A side study on this is social programming. It goes back a long ways….More recently it was Nazi propaganda and programming and the training of the young. Here in the states “nearly all the founding fathers of the American education system had Communist/Marxist training in mind programming and behavioral modifications. So they knew the young were the key to success. So now on the news we have college students protesting because we are protecting Israel. Siding with the Muslims.

Well that is what I have to deal with, religious propaganda has been running for centuries. So when people are confronted with the Truth it is going to strike a nerve. And I am going to get a response, I cannot expect anything less. Back in the day when I worked with interventionists and law enforcement to rescue people from cults these people had their minds completely twisted around. It was like you were not even talking the same language.

Thankfully your average Christian is not that bad….but still because of the propaganda….false beliefs are deeply engrained into their minds…to the point that they do not even understand their own religion. And it is a double edged sword because not only do they have to deal with the shock of the Truth but because of the damage it has done to Christianity, they have to reassess a lot of things.

In some ways the false beliefs corrupted the spirit and character of the religion. And it can cause the lose of souls. And it is a religious and social event….for instance how many monogamous couples that have not had a wedding could be saved if they felt that they would be warmly received in church? How many would have a wedding if they became involved with a church? And as I always make it clear, I am big on weddings….the bigger the better….but millions of Christians marriages existed long before the Protestants made it a requirement. (And do not to forget a lot of weddings occurred before the Protestants made it a requirement.)

Still I know that I am dealing with people that are going to let these seeds of Truth die. It could make me very sad if I dwelled on it. So very early in this ministry I disconnected myself from it and turned it over to God. It is kind of like that old prayer…God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

 

[Grailhunter]

Man-made Sins
The good, the bad, and the ugly

In the previous post I mentioned Man-made sins. And I also mentioned the minefield of real sins and fake sins they create.

Through the centuries Christianity has gathered a lot of these, it is quite the list. And I have also pointed out why they made these man-made sins. One of the reasons was to show their “rightness” with God without doing anything. As in their rightness with God was about what they don’t do. To the point that Christianity has mostly become a don’t doers religion. The most righteous Christian could live in a closet. As it is today it kind of shot them in foot because a lot of the don’t doers, don’t go to church either.

Why are there so many “don’t doer Christians?” Part of it is because a lot of Christians have been taught that there is no religious value in Good Deeds. That Christians are not expected to do anything…its all about not doing certain things.

We can only be thankful that Christ and the Apostles did not look at it that way. As it was they were definitely doers. And part of it is because the Apostle Paul said…. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. Romans 3:28 It does say….apart from the works of the Law….but some don’t catch that and thinks that “works” means Good Deeds, the things that Christians should do….

….apart from the works of the Law….means the works of the Mosaic Law. The Mosaic Law cannot save a person. For some not doing works means they believe that Yeshua does not expect Christians to do anything. So back to don’t doing things is what Christianity is all about? Man-made sins generally do not mean anything one way or the other, but biblical morality does matter. And biblical morality is not just about not sinning, it is about doing the things we should. It is part of the Christian life to do the will of the Father….Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Matthew 7:21

So what is the will of the Father? Sign up for Christianity and go about your business as usual? No. For most it should be an emotional, spiritual, and physical change. If you are not changed by the salvation process, odds are good you are not saved. In other words if after the salvation process it is business as usual for you….it “did not take.” LOL

So what should a Christian be doing? Read through the Gospels and note the character of Christ and what he did. Christ was spreading the Good News as he walked with the Apostles and helped those He met along the way. There is your example. Help those that Yeshua puts in your path. Help can be your time or it can be financial, the same thing goes for the church. Shoot! Sometimes a sympathetic ear is all that people need.

The process of being saved is the first step with your walk with Christ. The Christian life is a journey with Christ ….work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; Philippians 2:12

People say that Good Deeds do not save you, and they are right. But if you do not help others you may end up in Hell. In the Parable of the Sheep and the Goats those that did not help went to Hell. (Then you get into the debate on whether there are going to be saved Christians in Hell or were they not saved to begin with.) If it is not in your heart to help others, you probably were not saved to begin with.

What we do and what we do not do. Christians should live a moral life. Love God and love one another and do your best not to sin. What are biblical sins?….these two sets of scriptures give you pretty good idea….

1st Corinthians 6:9-10 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:19-21 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

There is not only enough to contend with here, there is a lot to discuss here and learn. You can start with the differences between translations for these verses. From there….there is a lesson here about ancient languages.

It took us a few centuries but since the biblical era we have also learned that slavery, polygamy, and concubinage are bad and that weddings are a great thing. And we are in the process of learning that women are equal members in the body of Christ.

We have made slavery, polygamy, and concubinage sins….still man-made sins but they follow the basics of moral reasoning. Where as the other man-made sins skew the meaning of the scriptures and cause the loss of souls.

It is sad to know that some will go to Hell, but even sadder that some will go to Hell because of the actions and attitudes of Christians that are misinformed. Christians use these false beliefs to look down their noses at others, to condemn others ….directly or indirectly and then you have the gossiping that ensues.

For many condemning is the doer side of Christian expression and the man-made sins provide all the ammunition they need, when they are actually piling hot coals on their own heads…. Do not judge, or you too will be judged For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Matthew 7:1&2

Instead we should be focusing on what Yeshua expect us to be doing. Like being part of the Christian community. A Christian family should be involved with the Christian community. Is there a reason why Christians should not stand with other Christians and worship the Lord? Church and church activities…plays, dinners, picnics, bible camp etc.

And charities, we should always give to the church….even if it is a penny….you need to be there and give a penny if that is all you can afford. Food drives for the food panty etc. Help those that Christ puts in your path. As Christ said …..Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ Matthew 25:40

Be a doer and bless others. Who knows who have prayed for help and you helped. Helping others shows the love of Christianity and that you understand the spirit of Christ. How many ways did Christ help us? Pay it forward.

Be good and do good.
The Johnny Appleseed of Truth

 

[GodsGrace]

Ya know I have been at this for a while and the Truth can shock people. So I am ready for the response.

A side study on this is social programming. It goes back a long ways….More recently it was Nazi propaganda and programming and the training of the young. Here in the states “nearly all the founding fathers of the American education system had Communist/Marxist training in mind programming and behavioral modifications. So they knew the young were the key to success. So now on the news we have college students protesting because we are protecting Israel. Siding with the Muslims.

What else to expect?
America has truly been destroyed from the inside out.
America is imperialistic,
white people should just lie down and die,
and those crazy religious people want to impose their horrible values on us.

So when you've learned all that, AND, the children of muslims are taught to hate us,
AND we let them in to mingle with those they hate, what else to expect?
It seems to me that the crazy persons are now ruling the world.

Did you see this?

Well that is what I have to deal with, religious propaganda has been running for centuries. So when people are confronted with the Truth it is going to strike a nerve. And I am going to get a response, I cannot expect anything less. Back in the day when I worked with interventionists and law enforcement to rescue people from cults these people had their minds completely twisted around. It was like you were not even talking the same language.

Sounds like the present atmosphere - except that it's general.

Thankfully your average Christian is not that bad….but still because of the propaganda….false beliefs are deeply engrained into their minds…to the point that they do not even understand their own religion. And it is a double edged sword because not only do they have to deal with the shock of the Truth but because of the damage it has done to Christianity, they have to reassess a lot of things.

In some ways the false beliefs corrupted the spirit and character of the religion. And it can cause the lose of souls. And it is a religious and social event….for instance how many monogamous couples that have not had a wedding could be saved if they felt that they would be warmly received in church? How many would have a wedding if they became involved with a church? And as I always make it clear, I am big on weddings….the bigger the better….but millions of Christians marriages existed long before the Protestants made it a requirement. (And do not to forget a lot of weddings occurred before the Protestants made it a requirement.)

Still I know that I am dealing with people that are going to let these seeds of Truth die. It could make me very sad if I dwelled on it. So very early in this ministry I disconnected myself from it and turned it over to God. It is kind of like that old prayer…God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

I have a question on weddings, I mean marriage.

Mary and Joseph were betrothed for a year before the marriage festivities.
Wouldn't you say that was a marriage?

 

[Grailhunter]

What else to expect?
America has truly been destroyed from the inside out.
America is imperialistic,
white people should just lie down and die,
and those crazy religious people want to impose their horrible values on us.

So when you've learned all that, AND, the children of muslims are taught to hate us,
AND we let them in to mingle with those they hate, what else to expect?
It seems to me that the crazy persons are now ruling the world.

Did you see this?

Sounds like the present atmosphere - except that it's general.


I have a question on weddings, I mean marriage.

Mary and Joseph were betrothed for a year before the marriage festivities.
Wouldn't you say that was a marriage?

What marriage festivities?
I do not what to assume what you are getting at so that I can answer you correctly…but here are some thoughts…

I can assume and you can assume that Miriam and Joseph were married. But the Bible does not show an event. There are some that do not believe that Miriam and Joseph ever had sex. The Miriam a virgin for life thing. Always a virgin so that she was always pure. Another misguided belief that sex makes you impure or that virginity or abstaining from sex makes you pure. As they say poppy cock! There have been and are a lot of mothers that are pure.

The Miriam a virgin for life thing??? If people understood the Hebrew culture they would know that if a couple did not have sex, they were not married. And this could be one of the reasons for the inconsistencies in the scriptures regarding their relationship. Matthew 1:24&25 says that Joseph took her as his wife and kept her a virgin. Then Luke 1:5 says that when they where in Bethlehem for the census that she was betrothed to him. There is a lot going on there which led/leads to a lot of speculations.

So anyway I do believe they were married, but their marriage was probably consummated after the birth of Christ and I believe they had children. But that does not mean they did or did not have a wedding ceremony. The Jews "took" wives and the taking formed the marriage.

Before the end of the Old Testament the Jews had a process for marriages but it had nothing to do with a ceremony it was more like the transfer of property. And as I have explained, between the testaments, while the Jews were under Persian rule they developed their own wedding ceremonies. Why? Scholars speculate that it was because they admired Persian weddings. And there is a lot to that story. But during the New Testament era Jewish wedding ceremonies fell out of favor because of its Pagan influence.

The Jews came to believe that all there misfortunes were due to them embracing the Pagan cultures. Which I do not understand entirely because unlike Christian weddings and receptions that have Pagan rituals and customs imbedded all through them….because it was the Gentile Christians that established them….Jewish weddings were modeled after the Old Testament. So I am not sure what the problem was….but several centuries after the biblical era Jewish wedding ceremonies became popular again.

So other than this.....is there a question in there?

 

[Consecrated Life]

God Himself established, with definite purpose, the requirement for marriage between man and woman , the law of the jungle having nothing to do with it.
It is a Spiritual ceremony , a function of God's love for us, with eternal benefit.
Marriage is the first instance in scripture where God can be seen bestowing His Blessing.
God's requirement for marriage is His Blessing.


Gen 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Gen 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply....

My wedding ceremony centered on just that , God's Blessing:

: "O gracious and everliving God, you have created us male and female in your image,
Look mercifully upon this man and this woman who have come to you seeking your Blessing, and assist
them with your Grace...."

 

[Grailhunter]

God Himself established, with definite purpose, the requirement for marriage between man and woman , the law of the jungle having nothing to do with it.

Is the word marriage mentioned in Eden? Now joining is mentioned and that was how it was done...Old and New Testament. People joined to form a marriage.
And later marriage did not include a wedding ceremony.
And cover to cover the Bible has no requirement for a wedding ceremony.
Now later on the Gentiles brought in the custom of wedding ceremonies.

The event at Cana that people call the Wedding at Cana, the scriptures actually call it the Marriage at Cana. But we do not know who was getting married and we know nothing of the proceedings before the “reception.” Meaning we do not know what type of proceedings it was. Was it two Jews getting married or was it a Roman and a Jew? We do not know.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Is the word marriage mentioned in Eden? Now joining is mentioned and that was how it was done...Old and New Testament. People joined to form a marriage.
And later marriage did not include a wedding ceremony.
And cover to cover the Bible has no requirement for a wedding ceremony.
Now later on the Gentiles brought in the custom of wedding ceremonies.

You believe that faith in God does not make request of His Blessing in the uniting of husband & wife a requirement ?

Gen 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply....

 

[Grailhunter]

You believe that faith in God does not make request of His Blessing in the uniting of husband & wife a requirement ?

Gen 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply....

I am thinking that the Hebrews and Christians that formed marriages by joining had lots of faith in God.
There were a lot of them that did not know what a wedding ceremony was.
The Hebrew language did not even have a word for wed or wedding.
Since weddings were the custom of Pagans it had a negative persona about it.

When the Gentiles---Pagan converts to Christianity---When they converted they brought along a lot of their customs. That is a topic on its own....These Pagans came from all over and each region had it own customs. The Pagan converts adopted Christianity as their religion but they did not abandon their holidays and customs. You can look at the various customs of Christmas and see a lot of customs that originated from Pagan sources.....of course a lot of them were Christianized. Wedding ceremonies were just one of those customs, it just turned out it was a great custom.

Just how many Christian weddings there were after the biblical era we don't know. I suspect that there were quite a few. But still historically the first record of a Christian wedding did not occur until the 9th century. And they had to officiate them on their own because the Catholic Church was totally against it and would not allow the weddings to occur in their churches. It wasn't until the Protestant made a wedding ceremony a requirement to be married that they made it a requirement and allowed weddings in their churches.

 

[Consecrated Life]

I am thinking that the Hebrews and Christians that formed marriages by joining had lots of faith in God.
The Hebrew language did not even have a word for wed or wedding.

You believe that the only people on earth that were ever eye witness to the physical manifestation of God Himself were ignorant to the fact of God's Beneficent Blessing in the joining together of man and woman beginning with Adam & Eve?
And all for the lack of a word to call it .
lol!
Your estimation of the spiritual incapacity of God's chosen people based purely upon a lack of the vernacular is very unique.
I would almost think you were unaware that the God equipped the very first human to be quite handy with verbiage , and he could create in a pinch multitudes of brand new words from whole cloth.
In rapid fire succession no less.
Granted I'll bet he was tired when he got done.

Gen 2:19
And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

 

[Grailhunter]

You believe that the only people on earth that were ever eye witness to the physical manifestation of God Himself were ignorant to the fact of God's Beneficent Blessing in the joining together of man and woman beginning with Adam & Eve?
And all for the lack of a word to call it .

Hey lucky couple Ahhh!
It is kinda what the scriptures say and or don't say.
And like I said from cover to cover no requirement for a wedding ceremony.
Historically no requirement for a wedding ceremony.

LOL So shock me....and a whole lot of scholars and find a requirement for a wedding ceremony in the scriptures.
Beyond that there is no reason for a debate. Besides the Bible, the history of the Catholic Church is well documented, all you got to do is find how much they loved and required a wedding ceremony to be married before the 16th century. But you will not find it there either.

So when you get down to it, what you are telling is that you do not like the facts. Gee I wonder if I have ever had that happen to me before?!! Got news for you, Christianity is not about what you like or do not like. I run into it all the time..... People that don't know their own religion. The funny thing about the Protestants is that they do not even know their own history. They are the ones that came up with the requirement for a wedding ceremony to be married.

And a lot of is due to the false beliefs that have been promulgated over the centuries. And that is the reason for my ministry.....because like it or not, Christians deserve the chance to know the truth.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Hey lucky couple Ahhh!
It is kinda what the scriptures say and or don't say.
And like I said from cover to cover no requirement for a wedding ceremony.
Historically no requirement for a wedding ceremony.

LOL So shock me....and a whole lot of scholars and find a requirement for a wedding ceremony in the scriptures.

God's Blessing being bestowed upon the joining together of the first man and woman makes clear to me how foundational His requested Blessing is intended to be to the union.
A very natural thought to extend the invitation for those who love God.
Very odd that you believe the thought of being joined together with the assured strong fastening of God Himself would not be first and foremost in the minds of children of God.
Do you, did you , will you , ( whichever applies) , desire the Blessing of God in pledging your life to another ?
Why?
Why not ?

Gen 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply....

 

[Grailhunter]

God's Blessing being bestowed upon the joining together of the first man and woman makes clear to me how foundational His requested Blessing is intended to be to the union.
A very natural thought to extend the invitation for those who love God.
Very odd that you believe the thought of being joined together with the assured strong fastening of God Himself would not be first and foremost in the minds of children of God.
Do you, did you , will you , ( whichever applies) , desire the Blessing of God in pledging your life to another ?
Why?
Why not ?

Gen 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply....

Again you are giving me more of the same. I understand you do not like the truth. That you do not like it so much, that you are going to believe your own truth that is not in the Bible, not in history, or even in reality. That is one of the reasons it is called beliefs, people can believe anything. I have not posted my essay on Beliefs, Truths, Facts yet.

But whether you like it or not, it really does not matter. The scriptures, history, or reality is not about what you like and if you step out of that you are in a fantasy world. And do not get me wrong, you are not alone in this. A lot of people assume things that are not true, for a lot of people the false beliefs are some of the most important beliefs. And then they preach these false beliefs and lead people astray. That is why my ministry is so important.

Christians deserve to be told the truth. What they do with that truth is between them and God. They can go and try to prove me wrong, they can go and check it out on their own ….either way they are going to find out that I was telling the truth. And in the end I do not care if they believe the truth....that is in God's hands. It is not part of my ministry to get people to believe the truth, my responsibility is to provide the truth....seeds....what happens to those seeds is up to God.

As far as God’s blessing on a marriage? That is one of the reasons I am glad that Christianity adopted the wedding ceremony. And why I think wedding ceremonies should occur in a church. The commitment that the vows represent is a very significant thing. And the prayer at the end for God to bless the marriage is a very significant thing. A there are a lot of other things with the weddings and receptions that are important…family and friends gather to be a part of the wedding, to witness the couple exchanging vows, and together they celebrate the marriage.

I like all the customs we have for the weddings and the receptions. I love big weddings, the fancier the better.

Sure we can ask why it wasn’t a requirement from the start? Same thing goes for a few other things. Why didn’t Christ and the Apostles put an end to slavery or polygamy or concubinage? Why didn’t they make it clear that women are equal members in Christianity and as such can hold any office in the church? Would it have been better to get these things strait from the start? Instead it took a lot of time to learn these things and we are still learning. And in the mean time these things caused a lot of suffering. Was there a purpose in that? I guess we will see.

 

[Consecrated Life]

As far as God’s blessing on a marriage? That is one of the reasons I am glad that Christianity adopted the wedding ceremony.


Sure we can ask why it wasn’t a requirement from the start?

With no public commitment to God and His Blessing in the union of husband & wife being the accepted standard
for the beginning of the two becoming one flesh, on what basis were the authorities seeking to kill Jesus able to attack His credibility by accusing Him of being born of fornication ?


Jhn 8:41
Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

 

[miamited]

Hi Grailhunter

Just passing through and nowhere near patient enough to read that exhausting diatribe. You really should break that down into much, much smaller bites. But it does seem like you have some issues with traditional scholarly studies and explanations of various passages of the Scriptures. I'd encourage you to seek out what it is that you're really attempting to do here.

Do you believe that all , or at least most, sexual activities are ok with God? You don't agree with the current understanding that when God said that it was detestable to Him for a man to lie with another man as he does a woman, He was speaking of same sex sexual relationships? Or is your position that it's just ok if we all have sexual relations whenever we want with whoever we want. What exactly are the issues you have with current understanding of what scholars believe God's word means in the place where translators have inserted 'fornication'?

Just curious what all of this 'new and improved' understanding of the Scriptures is trying to point out that we've all missed for these last 2,000 years. And of course for the particular issue that I'm questioning, 3,500 years.

God bless,
Ted

 

[miamited]

Sure we can ask why it wasn’t a requirement from the start?

Hi again Grailhunter

I mean really...who would Adam and Eve have invited? That would have to be the shortest wedding guest list around. LOL! And where would they have found a priest and...

God bless,
Ted

 

[Consecrated Life]

Hi again Grailhunter

I mean really...who would Adam and Eve have invited? That would have to be the shortest wedding guest list around. LOL! And where would they have found a priest and...

The pre-incarnate Jesus, Our eternal High Priest, who has no beginning, was both guest & priest for the occasion of Adam & Eve's union.

Mat 18:20
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

 

[Grailhunter]

Hi Grailhunter

Just passing through and nowhere near patient enough to read that exhausting diatribe. You really should break that down into much, much smaller bites. But it does seem like you have some issues with traditional scholarly studies and explanations of various passages of the Scriptures. I'd encourage you to seek out what it is that you're really attempting to do here.

Do you believe that all , or at least most, sexual activities are ok with God? You don't agree with the current understanding that when God said that it was detestable to Him for a man to lie with another man as he does a woman, He was speaking of same sex sexual relationships? Or is your position that it's just ok if we all have sexual relations whenever we want with whoever we want. What exactly are the issues you have with current understanding of what scholars believe God's word means in the place where translators have inserted 'fornication'?

Just curious what all of this 'new and improved' understanding of the Scriptures is trying to point out that we've all missed for these last 2,000 years. And of course for the particular issue that I'm questioning, 3,500 years.

God bless,
Ted

Just passing through and nowhere near patient enough to read that exhausting diatribe.
Since you started out rudely.....pass through and keep on going.

 

[miamited]

Just passing through and nowhere near patient enough to read that exhausting diatribe.
Since you started out rudely.....pass through and keep on going.

OK,

God bless

 

[Grailhunter]

Will the real set of Ten Commandments please stand up!
Believe it or not this is the short version of my essay.

Depending on how you count them there are 613 Mosaic Laws. Here we are going to go over the variations of the Ten Commandments.

Exodus chapter 20
The event: The Hebrews / Israelites, are at Mt Sinai, God speaks from the mountain to the nation of Israel. After God speaks the first ten Laws the people freaked. Then after they calm down and step back a distance then God continues on with four more, and then continues on to the ordinances. So during this event there are fourteen summaries of Laws, not ten. From there the confusion starts. Another thing to consider, is that at this event God does not call any of the laws commandments. These laws are reiterated by Moses in the following set of scriptures.

Exodus 20:3-17.....................Exodus 24:4-12................Deuteronomy 5:7-21

But Yahweh designated another set of ten laws as commandments in Exodus 34:11-28. These are the only Laws that Yahweh designated as Commandments. These are the only Laws that Yahweh called the Ten Commandments. These are the Ten Commandments that Yahweh told Moses to write on the two Tablets of the Testimony. These are the Ten Commandments of the Covenant and they differ from the Laws in chapter 20.

The ten Laws in chapter 20 that people generally refer to as the Ten Commandments are more like short summaries of Laws that are further explained in the body of the Mosaic Laws. The ten Laws that Yahweh referred to as the Ten Commandments are in Chapter 34 and are actually Mosaic Laws.

Around the turn of the 19th century a fellow named Johann Wolfgang (von) Goethe (28 August 1749 – 22 March 1832) who was a German poet, playwright, novelist, scientist, statesman, theatre director, and critic….all around man about town I guess LOL….He came up with designations for the two sets of Laws. He was not a religious leader or biblical scholar, but he called the Laws in chapter 20 the Ethical Decalogue and the Laws in chapter 34 the Ritual Decalogue, and these terms became popular.

Now of course these terms are not biblical and I do not entirely agree with their designations but they have not caused a lot of harm.

The harm side of this is a matter of opinion. The Jews consider it a great sacrilege to pick and choose which Laws of the 613 Mosaic Laws to follow and which ones to ignore. No matter which Laws you are looking at….the ones in chapter 20 or the ones in chapter 34….both sets are part of the Mosaic Law its that the Laws in chapter 20 are summaries. And are not to be separated from the body of Mosaic Laws.

As far as the Jews are concerned when the Christians focused on the Ten summaries of Laws and used them as an ethical guide and posted them….this was one of the worst sins against God. As far as they are concerned if you follow one Law you have to follow all 613 Laws. And the Apostle Paul agreed with this belief. Galatians 5:3

And of course Christ said that He did not come to abolish the Law and they cannot be changed. Matthew 5:17-19 And this is true, the Mosaic Law has not changed and they are still in affect for the Jews….still in affect for the Jews….not for Christians, not those in the New Covenant with God. The Mosaic Laws established the Old Covenant with God….The New Covenant has a different set of rules and a different spirit. A different spirit….the spirit of Christ…. the heart of Christ….THE WAY….as it was called. The way to salvation, the way to Heaven, the way to think, the way to live. The Mosaic Laws does not provide any of this for Christians.

So the Mosaic Laws do not apply to Christians, as Paul noted making the distinction …. And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law, through not being myself under the Law, that I might win those who are under the Law. 1st Corinthians 9:20.... Paul called the Mosaic Law the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones…2nd Corinthians 3:7-8 and referred to the curse of the Law… Galatians 3:12 And Paul warned that there is a curse associated for those that attempt to be justified by the Law…. And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. Galatians 5:3-4 This is pretty serious and is a danger zone for those Christians that try to combine Judaism and Christianity as Christ warned. Mark 2:21-22

So technically the Mosaic Law is in affect for the Jews….technically….I am not getting into how they observe them….that is actually a complicated topic. And although the Mosaic Law does not apply to Christians, it is still a study. I will say that most Christians do not know the 613 Mosaic Laws and they do not have to…..You could write everything you needed to know for salvation on a 3X5 card. I would let you do that because my handwriting sucks. But….but if you want to be very knowledgeable of the Bible and Christianity you should study the 613 Mosaic Laws because the Mosaic Law established the Old Covenant and the Hebrew/Israelite/Jewish culture and it is connected to New Testament and the New Testament has references to it. Beyond that, understanding the Mosaic Law will give you a better appreciation for what Christ did for us and know exactly what Paul was talking about when he said that Christ freed us from the curse of the Law.

For Christians no rule or Law needs to be added to what Christ and the Apostles said. There is no deficiency in the New Testament and the few Laws that the apostles quoted were only the basic morals that were logically carried over….Christ and Apostles preached a much higher set of morals. We do not observe the Jewish Saturday Sabbath and we do have engraved images and our wives are not listed in our property. And thank God we do not practice polygamy or concubinage or slavery anymore, all of which was condoned by Mosaic regulations.

 

[hawkman]

You could write everything you needed to know for salvation on a 3X5 card.

This is why I brought the sharpened number 2 pencils (with extra erasers !) with me to class . I remember 3X5 index cards .

But….but if you want to be very knowledgeable of the Bible and Christianity you should study the 613 Mosaic Laws because the Mosaic Law established the Old Covenant and the Hebrew/Israelite/Jewish culture and it is connected to New Testament and the New Testament has references to it.

I have looked at the Mosaic laws more that once and here is a link if any other students would like to look .

A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)