Hell

[Bubba]

"I would like to see an outright statement from you that says Satan and his messengers are NOT the same as people or as Jesus (in whatever form) but are a SEPARATE entity class than mankind, just for clarifications. (about the 3rd request)"

I see angels and Satan as very much real entities, and are not in the same class as humans (Jews).
Bubba

 

[smaller]

"I would like to see an outright statement from you that says Satan and his messengers are NOT the same as people or as Jesus (in whatever form) but are a SEPARATE entity class than mankind, just for clarifications. (about the 3rd request)"

I see angels and Satan as very much real entities, and are not in the same class as humans (Jews).
Bubba

So you would also see then that when assigning 'goat works ending' to unbelieving Jews in the Matt. 25 event, in the 'goat works' ending, you would also end them entirely in the process...as the devil and his messengers also being separated and sent to the fire, ....

There are a couple major themes in the Matt. 25 event that I believe all believers should be able to see and agree with.

Separation between goats and sheep (identities of same not determined in agreement)

Goat works ENDING. Workers of iniquity sent to the fires that are 'prepared' for the DEVIL and his messengers.

The thing I'd like to see from more 'believers' is [THE FACT] that WE ALL still do GOAT WORKS. And that alone should get us all seriously looking for doing 'less' of them and perhaps even seeing this event differently in NOT granting ourselves the 'all in FREE' even while we truthfully say and know 'we do goat works' and then claiming 'other people' on whatever basis are the GOATS.

To me that exercise of believers claiming being only a sheep with sheep works and doing goat works (notwithstanding our sheep works) is just a tad bit hypocritical, don't you?

s

 

[Bubba]

So you would also see then that when assigning 'goat works ending' to unbelieving Jews in the Matt. 25 event, in the 'goat works' ending, you would also end them entirely in the process...as the devil and his messengers also being separated and sent to the fire, ....

There are a couple major themes in the Matt. 25 event that I believe all believers should be able to see and agree with.

Separation between goats and sheep (identities of same not determined in agreement)

Goat works ENDING. Workers of iniquity sent to the fires that are 'prepared' for the DEVIL and his messengers.

The thing I'd like to see from more 'believers' is [THE FACT] that WE ALL still do GOAT WORKS. And that alone should get us all seriously looking for doing 'less' of them and perhaps even seeing this event differently in NOT granting ourselves the 'all in FREE' even while we truthfully say and know 'we do goat works' and then claiming 'other people' on whatever basis are the GOATS.

To me that exercise of believers claiming being only a sheep with sheep works and doing goat works (notwithstanding our sheep works) is just a tad bit hypocritical, don't you?

s

Yes, I agree that we all do goat works, it is interesting that wolves is not used in the parable instead. We should be more like sheep, since through revelation we are a new creation and should exhibit at least some works of God (Eph. 2:10).
Bubba

 

[Bubba]

My question seemed to be skipped - What happens to all those souls who lived prior to Jesus(AS) - are they all in Hell? or did I just mis read all that.

I believe they were resurected at Christ's coming in judgment in 70 A.D., those who did not go to be with the Lord, will in the long run after correction. If you would like to read more, send me a message, they do not allow the Universalist thought on this forum.
Bubba

 

[Elijah674]

My question seemed to be skipped - What happens to all those souls who lived prior to Jesus(AS) - are they all in Hell? or did I just mis read all that.

Hi, Elijah here:
Adam only had CONDITIONAL Immortality. The Tree of Life was to keep him eternally living if he was obedient. After he sinned we see the tree removed so as not to have immortal sinners God said!!

And in Rev. we see that the Tree of Life will be restored [to the saved Obedient]. That then finds us with TREE OF LIFE Immortality! (did you get that?) See Nah. 1:9

But for your question on HELL?? They will be burned up as in Obadiah 1:16 never more to be. And as you found 'some' very false teaching with your question being asked.. now ask yourself if there is anywhere even hinted at where God documents that the ones in hell will be let out of hell to eat of THE TREE OF LIFE to be immortal sinners? That is a stupid question by me, yet, one needs to KNOW that the Godhead does not waste Their Words telling riddles!

 

[Elijah674]

Hi, Elijah here:
Adam only had CONDITIONAL Immortality. The Tree of Life was to keep him eternally living if he was obedient. After he sinned we see the tree removed so as not to have immortal sinners God said!!

And in Rev. we see that the Tree of Life will be restored [to the saved Obedient]. That then finds us with TREE OF LIFE Immortality! (did you get that?) See Nah. 1:9

But for your question on HELL?? They will be burned up as in Obadiah 1:16 never more to be. And as you found 'some' very false teaching with your question being asked.. now ask yourself if there is anywhere even hinted at where God documents that the ones in hell will be let out of hell to eat of THE TREE OF LIFE to be immortal sinners? That is a stupid question by me, yet, one needs to KNOW that the Godhead does not waste Their Words telling riddles!

Me again: Take not of what [GOD] Inspired in Gen. 2

[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and [breathed into his nostrils the breath of life]; and [man became a living soul.]

So understand what happenes when any ones [BREATH] is gone. So goes this person!

 

[Bubba]

Hi, Elijah here:
Adam only had CONDITIONAL Immortality. The Tree of Life was to keep him eternally living if he was obedient. After he sinned we see the tree removed so as not to have immortal sinners God said!!

And in Rev. we see that the Tree of Life will be restored [to the saved Obedient]. That then finds us with TREE OF LIFE Immortality! (did you get that?) See Nah. 1:9

But for your question on HELL?? They will be burned up as in Obadiah 1:16 never more to be. And as you found 'some' very false teaching with your question being asked.. now ask yourself if there is anywhere even hinted at where God documents that the ones in hell will be let out of hell to eat of THE TREE OF LIFE to be immortal sinners? That is a stupid question by me, yet, one needs to KNOW that the Godhead does not waste Their Words telling riddles!

Jesus is the "Tree of Life", he who has Jesus has life. Bubba

 

[Bubba]

I saved this thought a long time ago in a folder, unfortunately I did not save the author. Bubba

"More than 2500 years ago the Holy Spirit warned the wicked inhabitants of Jerusalem that God would kindle a fire at Jerusalem's gates which would devour her palaces. "But if you will not hearken unto Me ... then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not he quenched" (Jer. 17:27). Did not God say this fire "shall NOT BE QUENCHED?" This prophecy was fulfilled and the fire did occur a few years later and it did destroy all the houses of Jerusalem (Jer. 52:13). Since God said no person or thing would "quench" this fire, did that mean that it would burn for ever? Since it accomplished the work it was sent to do, and since it is NOT BURNING TODAY, it obviously went out by itself after accomplishing its purpose!

Unquenchable fire is not eternal fire - it is simply fire that cannot be put out until it has consumed or changed everything it is possible for it to change! It then simply goes out, for there is nothing more to burn. Yet I hear the preachers ranting and raving about poor souls being cast into hell fire where "their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched" and this, we are told, means eternal, unending torment. How foolish, illogical, and deceptive! Such a view contradicts the plain meaning of the term "unquenchable" and its use in the Word of God.

Are the judgments of God permanent? Isaiah says, "When Your judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness" (Isa. 26:9). And Mat. 12:20 says, "A bruised reed shall He not break, and smoking flax shall He not quench, till He send forth judgment unto victory." Judgment, therefore, is not an eternal condition, but it is given to produce that victory. Judgments of themselves do not save anyone, but they are used by God to bring one to one's self, to effect a change of attitude and will, to consume away the stubbornness and rebellion of men. Punishment by fire is a beneficent one. "Our GOD is a consuming fire" (Heb. 12:29). "

 

[smaller]

Yes, I agree that we all do goat works, it is interesting that wolves is not used in the parable instead.

That's why I can't accept your theory that the goats are unbelieving Jews. It doesn't compute when we 'all' do goat works.

The wolf term is used more for religious types of 'occupancy.' Don't you think some religious people are the hardest hearted ever? I do. Used to be a hardliner myself and didn't even know it, trying so hard to make sure king "I" was saved and busily figuring out how everyone else who didn't believe like me was gonna fry baby fry. Fortunately God allowed me to step back for a re-examination of the entirety of the matters and I didn't like what I saw, learned or was doing. yeech. I know you'd say the same prolly.

We should be more like sheep, since through revelation we are a new creation and should exhibit at least some works of God (Eph. 2:10).
Bubba

ya think?

Anyway, I wouldn't be so hard on the unbelieving Jews and perhaps bring the devil and his messengers into the parable and it works great if you make the connection of the devil and his messengers to the GOATS. That way it works, is easy and makes perfect sense AND we don't have to send any person 'just yet' to the fire that the devils are going into for sure.

As to the preterist view Bubba, those are so far askew with the 70a.d. fulfillment angels it's not even worth getting into, for similar reasons.

God IS for a fact dealing in a LOT of scriptures with DEVILS IN MAN and views that don't get that FACT are going to have huge holes because they are MANcentric and MISSING a vast amount of players in these matters.

just my 2 cents

s

 

[Bubba]

That's why I can't accept your theory that the goats are unbelieving Jews. It doesn't compute when we 'all' do goat works.

Smaller,
I do not want to belabor this topic of the Jews being the main subject matter of Mt.25, but if you examine all the parallel passages (Lk. 21, and Mark 13); they sure seem to be. This does not take away from the†principle of judgment and punishment†to the rest of the human race that has transpired since the 1st century.
Bubba

 

[smaller]

That's why I can't accept your theory that the goats are unbelieving Jews. It doesn't compute when we 'all' do goat works.

Smaller,
I do not want to belabor this topic of the Jews being the main subject matter of Mt.25, but if you examine all the parallel passages (Lk. 21, and Mark 13); they sure seem to be. This does not take away from the†principle of judgment and punishment†to the rest of the human race that has transpired since the 1st century.
Bubba

Look, I'm not a fan of any kind of Jew bashing. No, not fond at ALL of those kind of views. God intentionally blinded them ala Romans 11:8-9 so WHO AM I to question His Work in that matter and blame ONLY them when there IS no blame available when GOD does it, is there?

The point is that ALL PEOPLE regardless of their state of belief DO GOAT WORKS and that makes the JEWS ONLY view complete nonsense, just as applying the unbelieving JEW to the other scripture sets you mentioned is likewise susceptible to other valid views that are NOT unbeliving Jew centric.

You are certainly free to claim you are not going to get the same fate as the unbelieving Jew even though you too have goat works if that works for you. I can't read like that and stay outta the hypocrite camp, which I sincerely try to avoid. So don't hold it against me when I see some (imho) fatal flaws to a lot of various theories that get floated around out there in christian religious land.

Anyone who desires to see that scripture set honestly will also have to honestly look to themselves and SEE GOAT WORKS in themselves and when they do they WILL get an honestly different read on the entire matter and they might even also get off the BLINDED JEWS backs when they see they have the same problem. But whatever. I ain't yer God.

s

 

[Bubba]

Look, I'm not a fan of any kind of Jew bashing. No, not fond at ALL of those kind of views. God intentionally blinded them ala Romans 11:8-9 so WHO AM I to question His Work in that matter and blame ONLY them when there IS no blame available when GOD does it, is there?

The point is that ALL PEOPLE regardless of their state of belief DO GOAT WORKS and that makes the JEWS ONLY view complete nonsense, just as applying the unbelieving JEW to the other scripture sets you mentioned is likewise susceptible to other valid views that are NOT unbeliving Jew centric.

You are certainly free to claim you are not going to get the same fate as the unbelieving Jew even though you too have goat works if that works for you. I can't read like that and stay outta the hypocrite camp, which I sincerely try to avoid. So don't hold it against me when I see some (imho) fatal flaws to a lot of various theories that get floated around out there in christian religious land.

Anyone who desires to see that scripture set honestly will also have to honestly look to themselves and SEE GOAT WORKS in themselves and when they do they WILL get an honestly different read on the entire matter and they might even also get off the BLINDED JEWS backs when they see they have the same problem. But whatever. I ain't yer God.

s

"This does not take away from the†principle of judgment and punishment†to the rest of the human race that has transpired since the 1st century."

 

[smaller]

"This does not take away from the” principle of judgment and punishment” to the rest of the human race that has transpired since the 1st century."

Again, my problem. I tend to see and understand the scriptures through the eyes of allegory rather than historicity. The main problem with using physical/mankind history from text (or from post N.T. writings) is that it can NOT take into account 'all the players' in the drama of scriptures. There is a huge missing component, that being the DEVIL and his messengers.

IF Jews (of all sorts, not just unbelievers) were (nearly) perpetually in captivity and under the dominion of forces other than God, one might think that there were causes 'within' them to look to as well.

Since we all have goat works (believer or unbeliever) I.E. SIN and sin is connected to the DEVIL the disbursement/judgment of JEWS or any other people can be as a direct result of Gods dealings with THOSE ENTITIES in people. I find it hard not to look in that direction because it appears so obvious. Yet this seems to be a hard view for many to see, yet alone accept personally.

One might even consider that if those so scattered in 70a.d. have all passed on, the evil spirits that had captured Israel are more than likely still 'on the earth' and taking up other habitations (people.)

The same evil that was 'dealt with' in Israel will be 'dealt with' in GENTILES.

enjoy!

smaller

 

[Bubba]

Something to think about (in respect to Hell being eternal)

If Hell is real, why didn't God make that warning plain right at the beginning of the Bible? God said the penalty for eating of the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was death- -not "eternal life" in fire and brimstone.

If Hell is real, why wasn't Cain warned about it, or Sodom and Gomorrah , or any of those who committed the earliest recorded "sins?"

If Hell is real why didn't Moses warn about this fate in the Ten Commandments or the Mosaic Covenant consisting of over 600 laws, ordinances, and warnings? The Mosaic Law simply stated blessings and cursings in this lifetime.

If Hell is real, why are its roots in paganism, rather than the Bible? Many nations surrounding Israel in the Old Testament believed in Hell-like punishment in the afterlife, for they served bloodthirsty and evil "gods," while Israel simply taught the grave (sheol) and a hope of a resurrection. If Hell is real, why was the revelation of it first given to pagan nations, instead of God's covenant people? Did God expect Israel to learn about the afterlife from the Pagan Gentiles? If so, why did He repeatedly warn Israel to not learn of their ways?

If Hell is real, why did God tell the Jews that burning their children alive in the fire to the false god Molech, (in the valley of Gehenna ) was so detestable to Him? God said that such a thing "never even entered His mind" (Jer. 32:35). How could God say such a thing to Israel , if He has plans to burn alive a good majority of His own creation in a spiritual and eternal Gehenna of His own making?

 

[smaller]

Something to think about (in respect to Hell being eternal)

If Hell is real, why didn't God make that warning plain right at the beginning of the Bible? God said the penalty for eating of the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was death- -not "eternal life" in fire and brimstone.

I'm sorry Bubba. The Lake of Fire is going to be a very real and eternal event, period. There is no getting around this fact.

and there are more than ample depictions and warnings in the scriptures to settle this matter.

Taking the track that the devil and his messengers are going to have a reprieve from the Lake of Fire does not work and will NOT compute. No one is going to adhere to SATANIC SALVATION as that is where your logic MUST lead to.

If Hell is real, why wasn't Cain warned about it, or Sodom and Gomorrah , or any of those who committed the earliest recorded "sins?"

If Hell is real why didn't Moses warn about this fate in the Ten Commandments or the Mosaic Covenant consisting of over 600 laws, ordinances, and warnings? The Mosaic Law simply stated blessings and cursings in this lifetime.

If Hell is real, why are its roots in paganism, rather than the Bible? Many nations surrounding Israel in the Old Testament believed in Hell-like punishment in the afterlife, for they served bloodthirsty and evil "gods," while Israel simply taught the grave (sheol) and a hope of a resurrection. If Hell is real, why was the revelation of it first given to pagan nations, instead of God's covenant people? Did God expect Israel to learn about the afterlife from the Pagan Gentiles? If so, why did He repeatedly warn Israel to not learn of their ways?

If Hell is real, why did God tell the Jews that burning their children alive in the fire to the false god Molech, (in the valley of Gehenna ) was so detestable to Him? God said that such a thing "never even entered His mind" (Jer. 32:35). How could God say such a thing to Israel , if He has plans to burn alive a good majority of His own creation in a spiritual and eternal Gehenna of His own making?

One should NEVER expect the 'lawlessness' that ALL MEN carry to be LAWFUL.

There is A LAWLESS ONE and that entity class has 'children' or denizens of the realm if you'd like to see them that way and they WILL assuredly be destroyed.

The history of man is NOT without it's invisible components. Few there be that factor this into their beliefs.

enjoy!

s

 

[Bubba]

I'm sorry Bubba. The Lake of Fire is going to be a very real and eternal event, period. There is no getting around this fact.

and there are more than ample depictions and warnings in the scriptures to settle this matter.

Taking the track that the devil and his messengers are going to have a reprieve from the Lake of Fire does not work and will NOT compute. No one is going to adhere to SATANIC SALVATION as that is where your logic MUST lead to.


One should NEVER expect the 'lawlessness' that ALL MEN carry to be LAWFUL.

There is A LAWLESS ONE and that entity class has 'children' or denizens of the realm if you'd like to see them that way and they WILL assuredly be destroyed.

The history of man is NOT without it's invisible components. Few there be that factor this into their beliefs.

enjoy!

s

Smaller, it would be helpful if you would address the points made. Bubba

 

[smaller]

Smaller, it would be helpful if you would address the points made. Bubba

It would be helpful if you would not deny what is obviously going to happen to Satan and devils in the Lake of Fire.

They are going to END permanently therein. There is no getting around this Bubba.

You can pass on comment and defray all you care to. The fact will not be altered.

 

[Bubba]

It would be helpful if you would not deny what is obviously going to happen to Satan and devils in the Lake of Fire.

They are going to END permanently therein. There is no getting around this Bubba.

You can pass on comment and defray all you care to. The fact will not be altered.

"The word ‘BURN’ means to CONSUME or combustion… it does NOT mean annihilation. It is a scientific fact
that all matter can go through change into a new or different form, but it cannot be destroyed or removed
forever. All FIRE is light and heat as one can see in the sun.
The word ‘BRIMSTONE’ or SULPHUR comes from the Greek word THEION that also is translated ‘divine’.
Sulphur was always used as a purifying agent and was used in all incense associated with worship of
God/gods. The root word for this is THEIOO which means to make divine, to hallow and/or dedicate to a god.
Thus ‘the lake of fire and brimstone’ should actually read ‘the lake of divine purification’. The word for ‘lake’ is LIMEN in the Greek (#3040): the word for ‘haven’ or ‘harbor’ is LIMNE in the Greek (#3041) from the root word LIMEN. So we can readily see that the lake is a confined place free from any outside influence while the fire of God’s dealing carries out its combustion and consuming work. For our God is a consuming fire (Hebrews 12:29). The individual secluded with the fire of God is free from outside interference while the Fire burns up all the wood, hay and stubble in the life being cleansed. The brimstone or sulphur willremove all contaminants and bring the subject to perfection worthy of the Living God. Every word and action instigated by the false prophet and the devil will be in that fire being purged out of every unbelieving man in his own order.
Thayer Definition for ‘tormented’: 1) to test (metals) by the touchstone, which is a black siliceous stone used to
test the purity of gold or silver by the colour of the streak produced on it by rubbing it with either metal. 2) to
question by applying torture. 3) to torture. 4) to vex with grievous pains (of body or mind), to torment. 5) to be
harassed, distressed. 5a) of those who at sea are struggling with a head wind. Nos. 2 and 3 cannot apply as
they contravene God’s very redemptive nature."
Ray Knight

 

[smaller]

"The word ‘BURN’ means to CONSUME or combustion… it does NOT mean annihilation. It is a scientific fact
that all matter can go through change into a new or different form, but it cannot be destroyed or removed
forever. All FIRE is light and heat as one can see in the sun.
The word ‘BRIMSTONE’ or SULPHUR comes from the Greek word THEION that also is translated ‘divine’.
Sulphur was always used as a purifying agent and was used in all incense associated with worship of
God/gods. The root word for this is THEIOO which means to make divine, to hallow and/or dedicate to a god.
Thus ‘the lake of fire and brimstone’ should actually read ‘the lake of divine purification’. The word for ‘lake’ is LIMEN in the Greek (#3040): the word for ‘haven’ or ‘harbor’ is LIMNE in the Greek (#3041) from the root word LIMEN. So we can readily see that the lake is a confined place free from any outside influence while the fire of God’s dealing carries out its combustion and consuming work. For our God is a consuming fire (Hebrews 12:29). The individual secluded with the fire of God is free from outside interference while the Fire burns up all the wood, hay and stubble in the life being cleansed. The brimstone or sulphur willremove all contaminants and bring the subject to perfection worthy of the Living God. Every word and action instigated by the false prophet and the devil will be in that fire being purged out of every unbelieving man in his own order.
Thayer Definition for ‘tormented’: 1) to test (metals) by the touchstone, which is a black siliceous stone used to
test the purity of gold or silver by the colour of the streak produced on it by rubbing it with either metal. 2) to
question by applying torture. 3) to torture. 4) to vex with grievous pains (of body or mind), to torment. 5) to be
harassed, distressed. 5a) of those who at sea are struggling with a head wind. Nos. 2 and 3 cannot apply as
they contravene God’s very redemptive nature."
Ray Knight

The above is a construct so full of holes they can't be counted.

IF you want to throw people into the Lake of Fire, to 'get them out' you have to take SATAN with you and that ain't gonna happen.

Not all scriptural fires are the same or solely based on physical fires. There are many forms of fires, and not all for the same purposes. To say for example that the Lake of Fire is THE SAME as the fire and brimstone that destroyed S & G is not available except by fantasy connection.

What goes into that Lake ain't coming out, period, forever and ever. There will be no powderized form of the power of death to be coming out of the Lake of Fire or powderized forms of the devil and his messengers or powderized forms of unbelievers.

I've seen the above postulated here and there on the net for several years, have examined those claims and found them severely lacking and the proponents do not like to man up on the flaws in the above that are easily pinpointed.

For one small example, one cannot put the 'power of death' into PHYSICAL FORM and then find some kinds powder residue later on. There are such things as INVISIBLE POWERS that God has presently employed and God WILL totally destroy those powers in the infamous LAKE. There will be NO RESIDUE and no ALTERED FORM of the power of DEATH coming out later. The same observation can be made for 'spiritual WICKEDNESS.' The insistence that the LAKE will not be totally FINAL in every way for the power of DEATH or SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS as attempted above can NOT be TRUE because 'death will be no more, period' as will SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS.

IF that is the case with THE POWER OF DEATH and spiritual wickedness, then it is also the case with all else going therein. We are granted NO EXCEPTIONS in the text to show anything going therein as coming OUT later in some residue forms or altered forms WITHOUT going into SATANIC SALVATION, which unfortunately is where some believers have landed and they expect others to buy that hype that does not exist in scripture.

s

 

[Bubba]

The above is a construct so full of holes they can't be counted.

IF you want to throw people into the Lake of Fire, to 'get them out' you have to take SATAN with you and that ain't gonna happen.

Not all scriptural fires are the same or solely based on physical fires. There are many forms of fires, and not all for the same purposes. To say for example that the Lake of Fire is THE SAME as the fire and brimstone that destroyed S & G is not available except by fantasy connection.

What goes into that Lake ain't coming out, period, forever and ever. There will be no powderized form of the power of death to be coming out of the Lake of Fire or powderized forms of the devil and his messengers or powderized forms of unbelievers.

I've seen the above postulated here and there on the net for several years, have examined those claims and found them severely lacking and the proponents do not like to man up on the flaws in the above that are easily pinpointed.

For one small example, one cannot put the 'power of death' into PHYSICAL FORM and then find some kinds powder residue later on. There are such things as INVISIBLE POWERS that God has presently employed and God WILL totally destroy those powers in the infamous LAKE. There will be NO RESIDUE and no ALTERED FORM of the power of DEATH coming out later. The same observation can be made for 'spiritual WICKEDNESS.' The insistence that the LAKE will not be totally FINAL in every way for the power of DEATH or SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS as attempted above can NOT be TRUE because 'death will be no more, period' as will SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS.

IF that is the case with THE POWER OF DEATH and spiritual wickedness, then it is also the case with all else going therein. We are granted NO EXCEPTIONS in the text to show anything going therein as coming OUT later in some residue forms or altered forms WITHOUT going into SATANIC SALVATION, which unfortunately is where some believers have landed and they expect others to buy that hype that does not exist in scripture.

s

Smaller,
A metaphor can only be ascertain so far, but one should not have a problem with non-entities such as death, sorrow, tears, false principles and etc being tossed into the Lake of fire to be no more. It is the actual entities of angels, mankind and Satan, that concerns what is purified. The question should be, is the Greek concepts of sulfur and divine purification correct?
Bubba