Hello!

[for_his_glory]

for_his_glory
“Just as dialysis cleans and renews the blood in the liver”

That’s what you wrote.

The cleansing of sin, like taking a shower, requires action on our part. Automatic body functions do not reflect how God changes us. “You haven’t yet shed blood in the struggle with sin.” “Jesus said “take care” numerous times. He never said, “no worries, it’s automatic.”

you said: The liver does not perform dialysis.

Of course the liver does not perform dialysis, but that dialysis is performed within the liver which is internal, not external.

All things of the Holy Spirit are performed internally in our spirit.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

you said: The liver does not perform dialysis.

Of course the liver does not perform dialysis, but that dialysis is performed within the liver which is internal, not external.

No it does not. Dialysis is not performed within the liver. Healthy people have no dialysis performed upon them, neither internal nor external. Water soluble waste is filtered out through the kidneys. The liver does not perform this function. And it isn’t called dialysis.

Now as to your statement, you dance around words saying contradictory matters that cannot be both true. For example, “the liver does not perform dialysis but dialysis is performed in the liver” is categorically illogical. It is “A does not perform B but B is performed by A…” Do you think switching to the passive voice changes the meaning?

This gives me insight as to how you can hold absolutely contradictory claims regarding God in your mind. You have trained your mind to accept contradictory statements. You cannot further explain them lest you are made to see the fallacy so you merely repeat your claims.

for_his_glory
“All things of the Holy Spirit are performed internally in our spirit.”

If you insist that this is all he is allowed to do in your life, that’s all you’ll see. We can see from the life of Jonah that He is not so limited to the unseen aspects of our lives.

I find it fascinating to get a window into how people think. People can be different from one another fairly radically, but there aren’t many different kinds, about a handful. The patterns repeat, after a while one understands them all.

 

[eddif]

you said: The liver does not perform dialysis.

Of course the liver does not perform dialysis, but that dialysis is performed within the liver which is internal, not external.

All things of the Holy Spirit are performed internally in our spirit.

I feel guilty. I think the feeling of being healed (like the lady with the issue of blood) has hit me. We often say that it is not about feelings, and I agree to a point. But, when Jesus said I felt the power go out, the feeling can be real on two levels.

Hebrews 10:16 kjv
16. This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17. And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Jesus in our heart. The word written in our mind, the lady felt in her body healing, and Jesus felt spiritual power go out.

One without the other is a little hard to prove. Tongues without the announcement of the marvelous works of God is not complete.

We feel COVID hit. That is the flesh man. Reverse transcriptase the medical community calls it. A sickness weapon from outside is attacking.

1 Peter 2:24 kjv
24. Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Both areas:
Sins forgiven on the cross
Make it to the resurrection
Healing because of His being beaten with lashes

At creation health potential was in our genetic makeup. Physical but a promise of spiritual things to come. Adam and Eve chunked that promise. Jesus got it back for us. He suffered to redeem us physically and mentally.

Transcriptase - it is written
Reverse Transcriptase - sin comes

Lay aside the sin

Jesus has overcome the world for those who believe.

Oh but brother you spiritualize things.
for_his_gory did too

Hello!

eddif

 

[eddif]

No it does not. Dialysis is not performed within the liver. Healthy people have no dialysis performed upon them, neither internal nor external. Water soluble waste is filtered out through the kidneys. The liver does not perform this function. And it isn’t called dialysis.

Now as to your statement, you dance around words saying contradictory matters that cannot be both true. For example, “the liver does not perform dialysis but dialysis is performed in the liver” is categorically illogical. It is “A does not perform B but B is performed by A…” Do you think switching to the passive voice changes the meaning?

This gives me insight as to how you can hold absolutely contradictory claims regarding God in your mind. You have trained your mind to accept contradictory statements. You cannot further explain them lest you are made to see the fallacy so you merely repeat your claims.

for_his_glory
“All things of the Holy Spirit are performed internally in our spirit.”

If you insist that this is all he is allowed to do in your life, that’s all you’ll see. We can see from the life of Jonah that He is not so limited to the unseen aspects of our lives.

I find it fascinating to get a window into how people think. People can be different from one another fairly radically, but there aren’t many different kinds, about a handful. The patterns repeat, after a while one understands them all.

Kidney - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

eddif

 

[eddif]

No it does not. Dialysis is not performed within the liver. Healthy people have no dialysis performed upon them, neither internal nor external. Water soluble waste is filtered out through the kidneys. The liver does not perform this function. And it isn’t called dialysis.

Now as to your statement, you dance around words saying contradictory matters that cannot be both true. For example, “the liver does not perform dialysis but dialysis is performed in the liver” is categorically illogical. It is “A does not perform B but B is performed by A…” Do you think switching to the passive voice changes the meaning?

This gives me insight as to how you can hold absolutely contradictory claims regarding God in your mind. You have trained your mind to accept contradictory statements. You cannot further explain them lest you are made to see the fallacy so you merely repeat your claims.

for_his_glory
“All things of the Holy Spirit are performed internally in our spirit.”

If you insist that this is all he is allowed to do in your life, that’s all you’ll see. We can see from the life of Jonah that He is not so limited to the unseen aspects of our lives.

I find it fascinating to get a window into how people think. People can be different from one another fairly radically, but there aren’t many different kinds, about a handful. The patterns repeat, after a while one understands them all.

Dialysis - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

PrincipleEdit​

Dialysis works on the principles of the diffusion of solutes and ultrafiltration of fluid across a semi-permeable membrane. Diffusion is a property of substances in water; substances in water tend to move from an area of high concentration to an area of low concentration.[9] Blood flows by one side of a semi-permeable membrane, and a dialysate, or special dialysis fluid, flows by the opposite side. A semipermeable membrane is a thin layer of material that contains holes of various sizes, or pores. Smaller solutes and fluid pass through the membrane, but the membrane blocks the passage of larger substances (for example, red blood cells and large proteins). This replicates the filtering process that takes place in the kidneys when the blood enters the kidneys and the larger substances are separated from the smaller ones in the glomerulus.[9]

Especially
This replicates the filtering process that takes place in the kidneys when the blood enters the kidneys and the larger substances are separated from the smaller ones in the glomerulus.[9]

eddif

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Kidney - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

eddif

I studied human anatomy and physiology in university. Do you find the word “dialysis” in that article outside of references to kidney failure? You guys are showing your ignorance of the subject. Kidneys filter. Dialysis is a treatment when kidneys fail to do so.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Dialysis - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

PrincipleEdit​

Dialysis works on the principles of the diffusion of solutes and ultrafiltration of fluid across a semi-permeable membrane. Diffusion is a property of substances in water; substances in water tend to move from an area of high concentration to an area of low concentration.[9] Blood flows by one side of a semi-permeable membrane, and a dialysate, or special dialysis fluid, flows by the opposite side. A semipermeable membrane is a thin layer of material that contains holes of various sizes, or pores. Smaller solutes and fluid pass through the membrane, but the membrane blocks the passage of larger substances (for example, red blood cells and large proteins). This replicates the filtering process that takes place in the kidneys when the blood enters the kidneys and the larger substances are separated from the smaller ones in the glomerulus.[9]

Especially
This replicates the filtering process that takes place in the kidneys when the blood enters the kidneys and the larger substances are separated from the smaller ones in the glomerulus.[9]

eddif

Nope, no dialysis there either. Give it up. No one with any kind of education says kidneys do dialysis. Medical words cannot be change to describe what you personally like. They have meaning and it’s not up for personal preferences.

 

[WIP]

 

[for_his_glory]

I feel guilty. I think the feeling of being healed (like the lady with the issue of blood) has hit me. We often say that it is not about feelings, and I agree to a point. But, when Jesus said I felt the power go out, the feeling can be real on two levels.

Hebrews 10:16 kjv
16. This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17. And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Jesus in our heart. The word written in our mind, the lady felt in her body healing, and Jesus felt spiritual power go out.

One without the other is a little hard to prove. Tongues without the announcement of the marvelous works of God is not complete.

We feel COVID hit. That is the flesh man. Reverse transcriptase the medical community calls it. A sickness weapon from outside is attacking.

1 Peter 2:24 kjv
24. Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Both areas:
Sins forgiven on the cross
Make it to the resurrection
Healing because of His being beaten with lashes

At creation health potential was in our genetic makeup. Physical but a promise of spiritual things to come. Adam and Eve chunked that promise. Jesus got it back for us. He suffered to redeem us physically and mentally.

Transcriptase - it is written
Reverse Transcriptase - sin comes

Lay aside the sin

Jesus has overcome the world for those who believe.

Oh but brother you spiritualize things.
for_his_gory did too

Hello!

eddif

John 3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

I put those verses in read as this is what Jesus spoke. Many have a hard time separating that which is the flesh (external) and that which is spirit (internal). The Holy Spirit does not dwell in our flesh, but in our spirit. Jesus used many analogies in comparing fleshly things with Spiritual things. I do Spiritualize many things that need spiritualized, but also give the literal as in the conversation about dialysis as I compare the difference between the flesh and the Spirit.

 

[for_his_glory]

No it does not. Dialysis is not performed within the liver. Healthy people have no dialysis performed upon them, neither internal nor external. Water soluble waste is filtered out through the kidneys. The liver does not perform this function. And it isn’t called dialysis.

Now as to your statement, you dance around words saying contradictory matters that cannot be both true. For example, “the liver does not perform dialysis but dialysis is performed in the liver” is categorically illogical. It is “A does not perform B but B is performed by A…” Do you think switching to the passive voice changes the meaning?

This gives me insight as to how you can hold absolutely contradictory claims regarding God in your mind. You have trained your mind to accept contradictory statements. You cannot further explain them lest you are made to see the fallacy so you merely repeat your claims.

for_his_glory
“All things of the Holy Spirit are performed internally in our spirit.”

If you insist that this is all he is allowed to do in your life, that’s all you’ll see. We can see from the life of Jonah that He is not so limited to the unseen aspects of our lives.

I find it fascinating to get a window into how people think. People can be different from one another fairly radically, but there aren’t many different kinds, about a handful. The patterns repeat, after a while one understands them all.

Moving on, have a good night.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Moving on, have a good night.

I suppose if a construction engineer heard believers making spiritual analogies using building terms to describe something spiritual that is not accurate in the construction business, they’d be bugged as well.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Hello everyone! To introduce myself, I'm an atheist teen living in. Kentucky. I'd been confidently religious (Baptist) up until nearly my sixteenth birthday, when my process of deconversion, which took roughly a year, began. Despite my religious beliefs, I still hold a lot of respect for the Bible and also, as best I can, for Christians even though I've had a lot of bad experiences. Looking forward to interacting with everyone!

Hello to you as well.
It a fascinating description of disappointment. failed belief & expectations you tell.
Thank you for your honesty.
Since only Christ alone can save, I have to ask you is it that you felt He was withholding something from you that was Christ's fail point for you ?
Did you feel He was withholding some measure of His divine love from you?
The bible speaks to His emptying Himself of all, for you and for me , a complete exhaustion of Holy giving.
Not just going the second mile, but going to the very last step on our behalf.
My curiosity stems from the fact that I once felt that way myself at the very outset of my faith journey due to very difficult life experiences God choose for me to go through.
Experiences I could only see in hindsight that God was using to prepare me for future experiences .
Now my confidence that Jesus has withheld none of His eternal love from me only grows more each day.
This confidence that Christ's knows me better that anyone, and that He knows what is best for me was not gained overnight and not without many disappointments, failed hopes, bitter defeats, and empty wishes.
Divine indications now seen in hindsight that another road had been chosen for me by Him who loves me as no other can.
God Bless You .
" Immortal Love, forever full
Forever flowing free,
Forever shared, forever whole,
A never ebbing sea. "

 

[for_his_glory]

I suppose if a construction engineer heard believers making spiritual analogies using building terms to describe something spiritual that is not accurate in the construction business, they’d be bugged as well.

You have a great day.

 

[andy pandy]

Something to consider: The term “born again” was used by Jesus exactly once and to one man alone, That’s it. But it’s become in some churches JARGON and it’s possible a man might be a deeply devoted true follower of Jesus and not know the anglo-american jargon. Christians in those circles have developed special terms only they understand.

Now TE is not a believer anymore but has nevertheless extensive bible knowledge. He really thinks about these things including thinking about words. He essentially asked you what you mean when you use the jargon “born again” which might challenge you. Your answer is a bit like, uh oh, if you don’t know the jargon, you are likely not one of us.

Just explain what he asked. Btw, on a side note. At 16 I asked a friend what “saved” means and while she was explaining it, I knew it had already happened to me long ago. She probably thought I was unsaved because I didn’t know the jargon.

That may well be the case, but what ever you call it I believe that you know if you are "born again." In my experience if I am talking to someone I have not met before in church I seemed to know if they are born again or not without them telling me.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

That may well be the case, but what ever you call it I believe that you know if you are "born again." In my experience if I am talking to someone I have not met before in church I seemed to know if they are born again or not without them telling me.

I agree. The words describe the experience in a metaphor. The plain description is realizing your sin and knowing it’s forgiven. Some misuse “born again” for something else.

 

[andy pandy]

I mean, what do you mean by how religion has nothing to do with being born again?

As I understand it religion is man trying to reach God. Christianity is God reaching down to man. Religion is man hoping that his efforts are going to please God. Christianity is man realizing that his efforts are a waste of time. His only course is to rely on the death of Jesus on the cross ands his sacrifice makes it possible to know God

 

[for_his_glory]

Some misuse “born again” for something else.

Can you give examples of this, thank you

 

[for_his_glory]

The words describe the experience in a metaphor

How do you see being Spiritually born again from above only being a metaphor?

John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
John 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Can you give examples of this, thank you

Easy, “just pray a prayer asking Jesus into your heart and you’ll be born again. It’s that easy. In fact we’ll all pray that prayer so you won’t experience any unpleasant feelings like embarrassment.”

 

[Dorothy Mae]

How do you see being Spiritually born again from above only being a metaphor?

John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
John 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Because Jesus didn’t say “spiritually” and he spoke those words to exactly one man in the whole of his ministry. It is a metaphor.