Hell's Population Clock

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adam and eve [humans] were entrusted with the task of caring for the garden

I live in Oregon's Tualatin Valley; which is home to some of the richest soil in America, and it just makes me sick to my stomach to see contractors scraping that perfectly good soil away in place of residential housing, commercial buildings, warehouses, industrial sites, pavement, and shopping malls when the USA is going to desperately need that soil for food in the not-too-distant future.

†. Prv 1:32 . . The prosperity of fools shall destroy them.

When all the petroleum is gone, and there's not enough arable soil; then what? No doubt something akin to the grapes of wrath.

†. Rev 6:5-6 . . When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say : Come! I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying : A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages.

†. Rev 6:7-8 . . When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say: Come! I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hell was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.

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Hell's Population Clock Update (06)

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12 days have elapsed since beginning the topic on Mar 21, 2011.

Using the original factor of 2,669 adult-age Americans transferring to perdition per each 24-hour civil day, suggests that 32,028 adult-age Americans have passed through the gates of Hades just since beginning the topic.

The world-wide total, based upon the original factor of 59,273 condemned souls per 24-hour civil day, suggests 711,276 total arrivals in perdition since beginning the topic . . . and the clock is still ticking.
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The normal cyclic rate of the US Army's M249 Squad Automatic Weapon (SAW) is 750 rounds per minute. If the above 711,276 souls were 5.56mm belt-fed ammunition, it would take the SAW approximately 15.81 trigger-hours to consume it.

Putting that into perspective means that if a gunner were to tie down the trigger of his SAW at 6:00 am this morning; it would be something like 9:48 pm tonight before he used up all the souls he started with.

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Hell's Population Clock Update (07)

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14 days have elapsed since beginning the topic on Mar 21, 2011.

Using the original factor of 2,669 adult-age Americans transferring to perdition per each 24-hour civil day, suggests that 37,366 adult-age Americans have passed through the gates of Hades just since beginning the topic.

The world-wide total, based upon the original factor of 59,273 condemned souls per 24-hour civil day, suggests 829,822 total arrivals in perdition since beginning the topic . . . and the clock is still ticking.
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It's a very common misconception that the Lord went to Hell after his execution. No; according to Acts 2:24-32 he actually went to haides (a.k.a. hades) which is an ambiguous koiné Greek word for the netherworld— an afterlife sphere where everybody goes when they pass on; both the good and the bad and the young and the old. The specific koiné word for a fiery Hell is geena, which isn't used of the Lord at Acts 2:24-33.

The actual netherworld location to which the Lord departed was a pleasant situation rather than an incinerator.

†. Luke 23:39-43 . . One of the criminals hanging beside him scoffed : So you're the Messiah, are you? Prove it by saving yourself— and us, too, while you're at it! But the other criminal protested : Aren't you afraid of God? not even when you're dying? We deserve to die for our evil deeds, but this man hasn't done anything wrong. Then he said : Jesus, remember me when you come into your Kingdom. And Jesus replied : I assure you; today you will be with me in paradise.

The koiné Greek word for "paradise" is paradeisos (par-ad'-i-sos) which means: a park; which Webster's defines as: 1) a tract of land that often includes lawns, woodland, and pasture attached to a country house and is used as a game preserve and for recreation, and/or 2) a piece of ground in or near a city or town kept for ornament and recreation, and/or 3) an area maintained in its natural state as a public property.

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Hell's Population Clock Update (08)

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16 days have elapsed since beginning the topic on Mar 21, 2011.

Using the original factor of 2,669 adult-age Americans transferring to perdition per each 24-hour civil day, suggests that 42,704 adult-age Americans have passed through the gates of Hades just since beginning the topic.

The world-wide total, based upon the original factor of 59,273 condemned souls per 24-hour civil day, suggests 948,368 total arrivals in perdition since beginning the topic . . . and the clock is still ticking.
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Are the inmates in Hades up to date on current events? Of course. With 59 273 new arrivals every day on the calendar; they know everything— that Egypt and Libya are undergoing revolutions, that Japan lost 12,000 dead in a recent earthquake/tsunami incident, that Nintendo debuted a 3DS Gameboy, that ATT and T-Mobile are combining, that the Moon recently made its closest approach to the Earth in nineteen years, and that Kirstie Alley and the Karate Kid are on Dancing With The Stars' 2011 line-up.

They're fully informed as to other events unfolding in the world too, even for their own cities, towns, and communities because those 59,273 daily arrivals are from every corner of the earth and every culture, language, and society there is.

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Hell's Population Clock Update (09)

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18 days have elapsed since beginning the topic on Mar 21, 2011.

Using the original factor of 2,669 adult-age Americans transferring to perdition per each 24-hour civil day, suggests that 48,042 adult-age Americans have passed through the gates of Hades just since beginning the topic.

The world-wide total, based upon the original factor of 59,273 condemned souls per 24-hour civil day, suggests 1,066,914 total arrivals in perdition since beginning the topic . . . and the clock is still ticking.
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FAQ : Doesn't Ps 139:8 say that God is in hades?

Answer: actually no. God's presence in hades in regards to Ps 139:7-12 pertains only to people in the category of the author of the Psalm, who stated: "Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me."

So Psalm 139's God isn't in hades as a resident, on the contrary, He's not there at all; but were the author of the Psalm to somehow slip through a crack and end up there, then God would accompany him because He promises never to leave nor forsake His own; for example:

†. Gen 28:15 . . And, behold, I am with thee, and will keep thee in all places whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee, until I have done that which I have spoken to thee of.

†. Heb 13:5-6 . . Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have. For He himself has said : I will never leave you nor forsake you.

BTW : if Mother Teresa had only believed the two verse above, she wouldn't have suffered a five decades-long night of the soul; nor would she have written in her private letters "the place of God in my soul is blank; there is no God in me; He is not there; God does not want me". She even spoke of Jesus as "the absent one" and yet the Lord promises his own :

†. John 14:18 . . I will not abandon you as orphans; I will come to you.

So then, if I myself should somehow slip through a crack and end up the wrong place; the Lord will have to walk the coals with me in order to make good on his promises. However, that won't be necessary as he promised that hades' cages are powerless to confine his sheep.

†. Mtt 16:18 . . I will build my church; and the gates of hades shall not prevail against it.

So then, with or without the Lord's company, I would just stroll on out of there like a tourist in Venice.

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Re: Hell's Population Clock Update (04)

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Are the inmates in Hades up to date on current events? Of course. With 59 273 new arrivals every day on the calendar; they know everything— that Egypt and Libya are undergoing revolutions, that Japan lost 12,000 dead in a recent earthquake/tsunami incident, that Nintendo debuted a 3DS GameBoy, that ATT and T-Mobile are combining, that the Moon recently made its closest approach to the Earth in nineteen years, and that Kirstie Alley and the Karate Kid are on Dancing With The Stars' 2011 line-up.

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I find it odd that you obsess on the graphic details of hell - and at the same time make it out to be a place where people get together and discuss current events on earth!

I have NEVER thought that hell was a place of where the inhabitants discuss the current goings-on here on earth. And your graphic descriptions of hell earlier in this thread support my contentions.

I find your conclusions odd and contradictory.

 

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Hell's Population Clock Update (10)

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20 days have elapsed since beginning the topic on Mar 21, 2011.

Using the original factor of 2,669 adult-age Americans transferring to perdition per each 24-hour civil day, suggests that 53,380 adult-age Americans have passed through the gates of Hades just since beginning the topic.

The world-wide total, based upon the original factor of 59,273 condemned souls per 24-hour civil day, suggests 1,185,460 total arrivals in perdition since beginning the topic . . . and the clock is still ticking.
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Isn't it just amazing how fast souls are accumulating in hades? And I'm only reckoning from 03/21/11. People have been on the road to perdition not only since the time of Christ, but since even before the Flood. I won't speculate how many years that might be, but Egypt's first pyramid, the Step Pyramid of Djoser, was constructed about 4,600 years ago. That's 4.6 millennia!

The oldest known human remains to date are those of a woman whom paleoanthropologists have nick-named Ardi. She was discovered at Ethiopia's Afar Rift in 1992 by Tim White of the University of California at Berkeley. Over a period of seventeen years, Mr. White and his 47-member team discovered portions of the skeletons of thirty-seven more individuals from the same era. Their ages have been estimated at 4.4 Million years.

It's difficult for the human mind to appreciate 4,400,000 years. I've been on the Earth for just going on 68, and I've noticed that my childhood is so far in the past to me now as to seem more like a fantasy rather than a memory.

Well; time stands still in hades: it's for the now; it's an existence. People who arrived there yesterday didn't begin doing time in jail like Lindsay Lohan expecting to get out some day; nor is perdition a temporary tour of duty like shipping out to Afghanistan. No, people in hades are in it for the duration; they are its perpetual residents; they're in a rut. People from Ardi's era are still there, and have been there all these 4,400,000 years. If hades has a societal structure, no doubt she and her contemporaries would be considered its senior citizens.

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I have NEVER thought that hell was a place of where the inhabitants discuss the current goings-on here on earth.

There's little else to do; and I'd imagine that distractions of any kind are greatly appreciated.

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Hell's Population Clock Update (11)

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22 days have elapsed since beginning the topic on Mar 21, 2011.

Using the original factor of 2,669 adult-age Americans transferring to perdition per each 24-hour civil day, suggests that 58,718 adult-age Americans have passed through the gates of Hades just since beginning the topic.

The world-wide total, based upon the original factor of 59,273 condemned souls per 24-hour civil day, suggests 1,304,006 total arrivals in perdition since beginning the topic . . . and the clock is still ticking.
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If those 1,304,006 souls were all an average of five feet, six inches tall, and laid head to toe, they would stretch 1358.34 miles, which is easily the crow-flies distance between Tijuana Mexico and Sioux Falls Montana and/or between Tokyo Japan and Taipei Taiwan; and that's only 22 days worth of souls.

At 66 inches per soul, and 2,469 souls per hour; the crow-flies distance would be growing by 226 feet per minute; which corresponds to a land speed of 2.57 mph.

That's interesting. I think we may have coined a new constant for physics. Along with the speeds of light and sound, we might now add the speed of Hell.

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Hell's Population Clock Update (12)

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24 days have elapsed since beginning the topic on Mar 21, 2011.

Using the original factor of 2,669 adult-age Americans transferring to perdition per each 24-hour civil day, suggests that 64,056 adult-age Americans have passed through the gates of Hades just since beginning the topic.

The world-wide total, based upon the original factor of 59,273 condemned souls per 24-hour civil day, suggests 1,422,552 total arrivals in perdition since beginning the topic . . . and the clock is still ticking.
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Nobel Prize winner, author of several best-selling books, and recipient of at least a dozen honorary degrees, Physicist Steven Weinberg (who views religion as an enemy of science), in his book, The First Three Minutes, wrote: "The more the universe seems comprehensible, the more it seems pointless. But if there is no solace in the fruits of our research, there is at least some consolation in the research itself . . .the effort to understand the universe is one of the very few things that lifts human life a little above the level of a farce and gives it some of the grace of tragedy."

If learning is the only justification for existence that Mr. Weinberg can find in this life, then he is certain to feel smothered in the shroud of absolute futility in the Bible's hell since there are no labs, no test tubes, no microscopes, no telescopes, nor earth sciences like geology, soil, oceans, atmosphere, glaciers, and geodesy; no more theories like Big Bang, evolution and special relativity, no more SETI, no more space exploration, no more undersea exploration; no more engineering: in fact, no more exploration nor new discoveries of any kind whatsoever.

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Has anyone read the book, 23 MINUTES IN HELL? According to the Author, hell is just intense pain in ever conceivable way,terrible heat, horrible oder, hard to breath, terrible weakness, and being terrorized by demons. Hell is the big mystery for me, when I received Christ as Saviour one of the first things that shocked me was that most people will end up in hell simply because they do not really believe in the gospel story of salvation.

 

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Hell's Population Clock Update (13)

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26 days have elapsed since beginning the topic on Mar 21, 2011.

Using the original factor of 2,669 adult-age Americans transferring to perdition per each 24-hour civil day, suggests that 69,397 adult-age Americans have passed through the gates of Hades just since beginning the topic.

The world-wide total, based upon the original factor of 59,273 condemned souls per 24-hour civil day, suggests 1,541,098 total arrivals in perdition since beginning the topic . . . and the clock is still ticking.
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Friday, Feb 19, 2010, a centuries-old Mosque minaret in Meknes Morocco collapsed and fell into a crowd of worshippers during prayer time, killing 41. That freak accident is a reflection of one that occurred during the Lord's tenure in Israel.

†. Luke 13:4-5 …And what about the eighteen men who died when a tower of Siloam fell on them? Were they the worst sinners in Jerusalem? No, and I tell you again that unless you repent, you will also perish.

The people who were killed when that tower collapsed, weren't killed by the hand of God. No, they were just simply in the wrong place at the wrong time; viz : it was just dumb luck. It's like when people plan all month for a camping trip in the mountains. Upon arrival, they set up camp; and after lunch, walk a hiking trail. Just then, a tree limb, that's been silently growing in the forest for who knows how many years, suddenly decides to snap off and fall to earth right then; subsequently killing one of the campers just as they walk under it.

One minute earlier and it would have missed. One minute later and it would have missed. But no, the limb falls right on cue as if the forces of nature conspired to hold that tree limb in place till just the right moment; waiting for that one specific person to walk under it.

On Tuesday, July 3, 2007; nineteen year-old Ramiro Gonzalez was returning home to Nyssa Oregon from a week-end honeymoon in northern California with his bride Idalia asleep in the back seat when their 1997 Pontiac Grand Am hit a cow twenty miles east of Burns. The Pontiac went off the road, through a fence, and burst into flames. Idalia escaped with only minor injuries, but Ramiro died at the Ste. Charles Medical Center in Bend the very next day.

Ramiro and his bride didn't get to live in a home of their own for even one single minute of their marriage— never had a baby, never joined the PTA, never saved for college, never went to ballet lessons, nor to soccer or little league, never went on family picnics, never took home movies and photos at Christmas, Easter, or birthdays, never went to the beach and built sand castles —no, their entire future, and all their dreams of family life, were shattered in an instant by a lame-brained bovine; and Ramiro wasn't even 20 years old yet.

March 20, 2008; fifty-seven year old Judy Kay Zagorski, of Pigeon, Michigan, was sitting in the front seat of her father's boat going 25 knots on the Atlantic Ocean side of Vaca Key in Florida, when a Spotted Eagle Ray, with a wingspan of 5 to 6 feet; leaped up out of the water— for who knows what reason —and collided with Zagorski, knocking her backwards onto the deck of the boat. She died from the impact. Judy's sister, standing next to her, was not injured.

On a November morning in 1998, Alan Pakula climbed into his Volvo station wagon and began the 100-mile drive from Manhattan to his Long Island house. The acclaimed movie director of Sophie's Choice, All The President's Men, and The Pelican Brief, had made that trip countless times with no incident.

As the 70 year-old Pakula neared exit 49 on the Long Island Expressway just before noon, the tires of a vehicle ahead of him flipped a 7-foot piece of steel rod into the air. Within seconds, the rod shot through Pakula's windshield, smashing into his forehead, killing him almost instantly.

Death often comes when people least expect it. As a rule, they don't usually get up in the morning planning it to be their last day on earth. The 169,752 killed, and 127,294 listed as missing, in more than eleven countries by the tsunami of 2004, were taken by surprise, and given no warning it was to be their last day on earth.

The 2,829 people who perished in a terrorist attack on the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, and the 189 who died in the Pentagon, didn't go in to work expecting their lives to end before lunch that day. No, people's lives often end while they still have obligations and commitments, aspirations, things to do, places to go, and people to see; when a car accident, train wreck, act of nature, plane crash, crime, heart attack, or stroke puts an abrupt end to every plan they ever made.

December 8, 2004, one of my favorite metal guitar gods, Darrell "Dimebag" Abbott, that axe-shredding cowboy from the infernal regions, was murdered onstage by a deranged fan upset about Pantera's break-up. Darrell got up that day thinking only of the gig he would perform at the Alrosa Village in Columbus Ohio with his new group Damageplan; with no clue it was to be his last day on earth. The Dime was only a measly 38 years old. He could have lived another forty more.

Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010, a 7.0 earthquake struck Port au Prince Haiti right out of the blue subsequently causing the loss of more than 200,000 lives. A similar act of nature on March 11, 2011, left 15,000 dead and as many missing in Japan.

Saturday, June 27. 2010, a 6-month-old little girl was killed and her mother seriously injured when the pair were struck by a falling tree branch in New York City's Central Park Zoo. The girl's father was taking their picture near the sea lion exhibit when a branch above them suddenly snapped off and fell.

Okeechobee woman Dawn Johnston, 38, was killed Wednesday June 30, 2010 after part of a portable toilet crashed through her car's windshield. Dawn was driving south on SR 15 shortly after 11 a.m. when two portable toilets fell from the trailer of a pickup truck traveling north,. The portable toilets broke apart when they hit the road, and part of one of them crashed through the woman's windshield, striking her. Johnston's car then veered off the road and collided with a tree.

Freak accidents like that can happen to anybody in the form of a stray bullet from a drive-by, lightening strike, gas explosion, choking on a piece of meat, electrocution, earthquake, a drunk driver, a fall in the bath tub; stones dropped from an overpass, or any number of out-of-the-blue surprises. I don't think the Lord was saying that repentance will protect people from dying in a freak accident, but rather, that if they don't repent now, while they have the chance; then they risk being caught off guard by sudden death in a freak accident where there will be no time to repent; and they'll find themselves suddenly thrust into the afterlife a lot sooner than they ever expected.

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Hell's Population Clock Update (14)

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28 days have elapsed since beginning the topic on Mar 21, 2011.

Using the original factor of 2,669 adult-age Americans transferring to perdition per each 24-hour civil day, suggests that 74,732 adult-age Americans have passed through the gates of Hades just since beginning the topic.

The world-wide total, based upon the original factor of 59,273 condemned souls per 24-hour civil day, suggests 1,659,644 total arrivals in perdition since beginning the topic . . . and the clock is still ticking.
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From Dante Alighieri's Divine Comedy :

We have come to the place where I told you that you would see people who have lost the benefit of the intellect." And placing his hand on mine, with a calm expression that comforted me, he led me towards the hidden things.

Here sighs, complaints, and deep groans sounded through the starless air, so that it made we weep at first. Many tongues, a terrible crying, words of sadness, accents of anger, voices deep and hoarse, with sounds of hands amongst them making a turbulence that turns forever in the air, strained, eternally, like sand spiraling in a whirlwind. And I, surrounded by the horror, said: Master, what is this I hear, and what race are these that seem so overcome by suffering?

And he said to me: "This is the miserable mode in which those exist who lived without praise, without blame. They are mixed in with despised choir of angels, who were neither rebellious, neither faithful; but for themselves. Heaven drove them out to maintain its beauty, and deep Hell does not accept them, lest the evil have glory over them.

INFERNO
Canto III, v. 16-42

When Dante and his guide Virgil first enter Inferno; they encounter fallen angels. The interesting thing about these particular angels is that they aren't incarcerated in Inferno for rebellion against God, no, they aren't bad angels per se; they are there simply because they failed to make themselves useful.

The layer of Inferno where those angels useless to God abide, is, relatively, the most pleasant of all Hell's strata; and their incarceration there is actually merciful because it protects them from the hands of the truly evil beings below who would mock them mercilessly as goody-two-shoes who ended up in Hell in spite of all their benevolence. There's a strong parallel to that in the real world.

†. Mtt 7:22-23 . . Many will say to me in that day : Lord, Master, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them : I never knew you; depart from me, you that work iniquity.

That passage doesn't target Atheists, nor Hindus, nor witches, nor voodoo practitioners, nor fortune tellers, nor prostitutes, nor gamblers, nor drunks, nor Muslims. No, it targets Christians— some of them even operating hostels and orphanages; accomplishing "wonderful works" in Christ's name.

I pity the poor souls in that category not only because of the Dante-like environment in which they will exist; but also for the mockery and the taunting they will surely be forced to suffer at the hands of all the world's non-Christians down there. Their degree of chagrin will be off the scale; don't you think?

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From post 28:

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There's little else to do; and I'd imagine that distractions of any kind are greatly appreciated.

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Why not quote my whole post and respond to it, not just the one sentence that is the easy one?

So, still celebrating all those souls going to hell, I see. A disturbing obsession, IMO.

 

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Hell's Population Clock Update (15)

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30 days have elapsed since beginning the topic on Mar 21, 2011.

Using the original factor of 2,669 adult-age Americans transferring to perdition per each 24-hour civil day, suggests that 80,070 adult-age Americans have passed through the gates of Hades just since beginning the topic.

The world-wide total, based upon the original factor of 59,273 condemned souls per 24-hour civil day, suggests 1,778,190 total arrivals in perdition since beginning the topic . . . and the clock is still ticking.
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†. Num 16:25-34 . . Moses got up and went to Dathan and Abiram, and the elders of Israel followed him. He warned the assembly : Move back from the tents of these wicked men! Do not touch anything belonging to them, or you will be swept away because of all their sins. So they moved away from the tents of Korah, Dathan and Abiram. Dathan and Abiram had come out and were standing with their wives, children and little ones at the entrances to their tents.

. . . And Moses said : By this you shall know that Yhvh hath sent me to do all things that you see, and that I have not forged them of my own head: If these men die the common death of men, and if they be visited with a plague, wherewith others also are wont to be visited, Yhvh did not send me. But if Yhvh do a new thing, and the earth opening her mouth swallow them down, and all things that belong to them, and they go down alive into the netherworld, you shall know that they have blasphemed Yhvh.

. . . And immediately as he had made an end of speaking, the earth broke asunder under their feet: and opening her mouth, devoured them with their tents and all their substance. And they went down alive into the netherworld, the ground closing upon them, and they perished from among the people. But all Israel, that was standing round about, fled at the shrieks of them that were perishing: saying: Lest perhaps the earth swallow us up also.

When that fissure in the earth closed over those families, the rumble it made signaled a terrifying finality. You just knew they were not coming back. That horrific scene would have to rate high on the list of your worst nightmares. According to Num 16:27, the earth swallowed minor children alive too.

Bible passages like that one are very handy for setting people straight about the love of God. Scores of children drowned in the Flood, more children were incinerated in Sodom and Gomorrah, something like 120,000 minors would have perished in Nineveh had not the adults responded to Jonah's preaching; and vast numbers of children will die by the future calamities in the book of Revelation. I'm not saying children go to Hell. All I'm saying is, the justice of God is not only thorough; but also thoroughly terrifying in a way that I do not fully understand; and Christ's reign on earth will reflect it.

†. Isa 9:6-7 . . For to us a child is born. Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever.

How does terminating minor children satisfy a higher justice? I don't know; but certain biblical events tell me that the Bible's God has a much keener sense of what defines fairness, and what defines right and wrong than humans do.

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Hell's Population Clock Update (16)

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32 days have elapsed since beginning the topic on Mar 21, 2011.

Using the original factor of 2,669 adult-age Americans transferring to perdition per each 24-hour civil day, suggests that 85,408 adult-age Americans have passed through the gates of Hades just since beginning the topic.

The world-wide total, based upon the original factor of 59,273 condemned souls per 24-hour civil day, suggests 1,896,736 total arrivals in perdition since beginning the topic . . . and the clock is still ticking.
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"Flames were scattered amongst the tombs, by which they were made so red hot all over that no smith's art needs hotter metal. Their lids were all lifted, and such fierce groans came from them that, indeed, they seemed to be those of the sad and wounded.

And I said : Master, who are these people, entombed in those vaults, who make themselves known by tormented sighing? And he to me : Here are the arch-hereticcs, with their followers, of every sect; and the tombs contain many more than you might think. Here like is buried with like, and the monuments differ in degrees of heat."

The Divine Comedy
By Dante Alighieri
Inferno, canto IX, v.118-131

Though Dante's portrayal of that particular portion of Inferno is impressionistic, it does contain a kernel of truth in that the various tombs were heated in proportion to the sins of their occupants.

†. Luke 12:47-48 . .And that servant, which knew his master's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes.

In reality then, people who routinely fail to practice what they preach will have lots to regret when it's time to cash in their chips.

†. Mtt 23:13-15 . .Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.

†. Mtt 23:23-24 . .Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices-- mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law-- justice, mercy and faithfulness.

†. Mtt 23:25 . .Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You ceremoniously clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.

†. Mtt 23:27-28 . .Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

†. Mtt 23:29-32 . .Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. And you say : If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets. So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers

†. Mtt 23:33 . .You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?

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34 days have elapsed since beginning the topic on Mar 21, 2011.

Using the original factor of 2,669 adult-age Americans transferring to perdition per each 24-hour civil day, suggests that 90,746 adult-age Americans have passed through the gates of Hades just since beginning the topic.

The world-wide total, based upon the original factor of 59,273 condemned souls per 24-hour civil day, suggests 2,015,282 total arrivals in perdition since beginning the topic . . . and the clock is still ticking.
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FAQ : Doesn't Rom 8:38-39 teach that God never really abandons anybody?

Within the context of the 8th of Romans, the pronoun "us" is restricted to the author and a very elite category of Christians described as "in Christ".

The "in Christ" category is very privileged in that it has immunity from prosecution.

†. Rom 8:1-3 . . There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus

The fate of souls not in Christ, nor having immunity from prosecution, is abandonment, gnashing of teeth, and outer darkness.

†. Ps 1:5-6 . .The ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. For The Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

It's sometimes unpleasantly necessary to point out that the epistles are private letters penned, not for the benefit of the world at large, but rather, for local churches; viz: for assemblies of people who believe rather than for assemblies of people who don't believe. When outsiders stick their noses into those letters, they are actually tampering with other people's mail, and meddling with things that are really none of their business.

†. 2Pet 3:16 . .Some of Paul's letters are hard to understand, and those who are untrained and unstable have twisted his letters around to mean something quite different from what he meant, just as they do the other parts of Scripture— and the result is disaster for them.

There is something very unpleasant about the Bible's God. He drowned all but the eight people of Noah's family in The Flood. The antediluvians couldn't possibly have all been foul balls. I'm sure you and I would have felt that some of the Flood's victims were decent sorts who didn't deserve to die. In point of fact, according to Gen 6:4, sons of God perished in the Flood too right along with baby kittens, little children, infants, pregnant moms, senior citizens, and handicapped people— they all choked in the water right along with all the really bad people. No one outside the ark survived.

Later, during Abraham's day, God incinerated the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah including some towns in the surrounding area. Their pets died with them and so did any women who were expecting. Only Lot and two of his daughters walked away from that one.

The God of the Bible is frightening. Too many well-meaning pew warmers constantly bleat that God is love, love, love. But according to the Flood, and Sodom and Gomorrah; the God of the Bible is also a Judge, Jury, and Executioner: terribly offended by disrespect for His core values; and intends to punish all of it with extreme prejudice. Every human being offends the God of the Bible sooner or later and that hostility can only be pacified by retribution— either at the cross of Christ, or in the fiery dungeons of the netherworld.

†. Luke 12:4-5 …And I say unto you my friends: Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom you shall fear: fear Him, which after He hath killed hath power to cast into hell. Yes, I say unto you: fear Him.

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Hell's Population Clock Update (18)

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36 days have elapsed since beginning the topic on Mar 21, 2011.

Using the original factor of 2,669 adult-age Americans transferring to perdition per each 24-hour civil day, suggests that 96,084 adult-age Americans have passed through the gates of Hades just since beginning the topic.

The world-wide total, based upon the original factor of 59,273 condemned souls per 24-hour civil day, suggests 2,133,828 total arrivals in perdition since beginning the topic . . . and the clock is still ticking.
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"We have come to the place where I told you that you would see the sad people who have lost the benefit of intellect."

The Divine Comedy
by Dante Alighieri
Inferno, canto III, v.16-18

When I first read Virgil's words to Dante; I thought he meant that people in hades are insane; but that's not it. They hadn't lost their sanity, but rather, their opportunity for consciously choosing to gain God's favor.

In the medieval culture of the ancient poets, Man must always be aware intellectually of his own need to perform righteous acts. Therefore "sin" was defined as the perversion of intellect; in other words, choosing to do evil rather than choosing to do good was considered sick because it's contrary to one's own better judgment.

The "benefit" of reason can be defined as the reward for making conscious choices to do good rather than evil. So then, the people in hades whom Dante was very near to visiting, had lost their opportunity to be rewarded for consciously choosing to do good. In other words; consciously choosing to do good in hell is futile because in Dante's culture, you could only be rewarded for consciously choosing to do good while you're alive, but in the world of Inferno, it's too late to gain God's favor no matter how consciously good you choose to be. So Inferno's occupants still have their intellect, but its benefit is a lost benefit. This aspect of hell is clearly taught in the Roman catechism.

CCC.393 . . .There is no repentance for the angels after their fall, just as there is no repentance for men after death.

Which brings me to today's theme : Deliberate Sins.

†. Num 15:30-31 . . . But the person, be he citizen or stranger, who acts defiantly reviles the Lord; that person shall be cut off from among his people. Because he has spurned the word of the Lord and violated His commandment, that person shall be cut off— he bears his guilt.

A defiant sinner can be defined as one who knows full well in advance that what he is about to do is forbidden but goes ahead and does it anyway. There are no sacrifices nor atonements stipulated in the Old Testament for obtaining forgiveness for those kinds of sins. Thus, a defiant sinner is in grave danger of losing out on the benefit of his intellect.

†. Heb 10:26-27 . . For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Ironically, it is actually far better to be totally ignorant of God's commandments than to be thoroughly versed in them and disobey since God is somewhat lenient with ignorant sins but not so with informed sins. In other words; knowledge is both blessing and bane in that it encumbers its possessor with increased accountability. (cf. Mtt 11:20-24)

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dude, with all due respect this model isn't the Gospel truth, only scripture is


furthermore people are commenting on this and you are not responding, this isn't a blog, so please engage in discussion or this is spam

 

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dude

I am not one of your beer buddies nor do I wish to be. My name is Cliff, not dude. As a senior citizen of 67 years old, I believe the Bible's God grants my age the right to be treated with some respect.

†. Lev 19:32 . . Rise in the presence of the aged, show respect for the elderly and revere your God. I am the Lord.

people are commenting on this and you are not responding

I am an American citizen. In my country we not only have the freedom of speech but also the right to remain silent and to speak when we ourselves choose to; not when arrogant bullies like you demand that we speak.

And besides; you don't know what you're talking about anyway. I have responded to people's comments; but apparently the number of times that I've responded doesn't meet the quota you've set for me. Good lord! Could you possibly get any more controlling than you are already?

this isn't a blog, so please engage in discussion or this is spam

You'll have to take that up with Mike. I already requested that my Hell topic be moved to the blog folder but he felt this topic is too active to be put there.

BTW : I regard posts like yours as phishing; which can be defined as an insidious attempt to provoke a reaction.

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