Homosexuality and Obesity?

[James1990]

Promoting and Defending are two different things,
I'm 15 and i can comprehend that.

To me, i was just explaining a alternate view point on homosexuality,
while not promoting it, it tolerates it.

And from looking at some of the posts in here, i think tolerance wouldn't be going un-needed.

James

 

[bibleberean]

Promoting and Defending are two different things,
I'm 15 and i can comprehend that.

To me, i was just explaining a alternate view point on homosexuality,
while not promoting it, it tolerates it.

And from looking at some of the posts in here, i think tolerance wouldn't be going un-needed.

James

Defending perversion is promoting perversion.

You are very young.

I urge you to prayerfully read the scriptures and ask God to move your heart in the right direction.

Here is something I would like you to read.

Have you Considered This?

http://www.fundamentalbiblechurch.org/T ... consdr.htm

 

[Drew]

I do not see that anyone has established that homosexuality is an abomination over and above other sins. Of course, I agree with BB that some sins are more damaging than others.

I would like to give an opinion about some "technicalities" re this and other debates. Establishing that "X" (say homosexuality) is a "worse" sin than "Y" (say over-eating) requires more than "finding passages" that condemn homosexuality. To complete the task, you have to argue for the absence of similar condemnation of over-eating. And this is not simply done by looking for "one-liners" as we so often do. In any event a "one-liner" approach does not work - SputnikBoy has provided clear examples of how "one-liners" condemn the earting of pork as an "abomination" as in Isaiah 66:17.

I think that homosexuality is particularly reviled among some Christians for the following reasons:

1. Sexuality evokes such get-level responses from us because of its very nature - I suspect that this is an issue for non-Christians as well.

2. Because the significant majority of us are heterosexual, we can safely single out homosexuality for admonition - we simply do not need to worry about hypocrisy. Of course, we are not so quick to point out sins which are more widespread and in which we indulge (e.g. over-eating and being rich in a world where people are dying for want of food and medical care).

3. Like divorce (and other things), homosexuality can be easily identifiable in others. Other sins, that in my view are just as bad, can be "danced around" because there is no clear "line" where the "sin starts". A classic example is wealth. Of course it is not sin to have a roof over your head and clothes on your back. I think it is clearly sin to live in a $ 500,000 house and own a Mercedes in a world where others are destitute. The cross-over line is hard to identify.

People are literally dying this very day, who would not otherwise die, if we just turned our wealth into aid. And yet we completely condone opulent lifestyles and villify homosexuals. Amazing.

And please do not try the tired "why don't you sell all your luxuries then" rejoinder. First, you do not know how much wealth I hold onto - although I admit I do feel convicted in this area. Second, whether or not I live up to Biblical standards is not the issue - the issue is what do the Scriptures say about what is sinful. Besides, I do not want to derail this thread into a discussion about wealth - I brough the issue up because I think it is like obesity - a sin that is condoned while other sins are (rightly) spoken out against. The issue, as I understand it, is one of consistency.

 

[pfilmtech]

Promoting and Defending are two different things,
I'm 15 and i can comprehend that.

To me, i was just explaining a alternate view point on homosexuality,
while not promoting it, it tolerates it.

And from looking at some of the posts in here, i think tolerance wouldn't be going un-needed.

James

Defending perversion is promoting perversion.

You are very young.

I urge you to prayerfully read the scriptures and ask God to move your heart in the right direction.

Here is something I would like you to read.

Have you Considered This?

http://www.fundamentalbiblechurch.org/T ... consdr.htm

You also seem intent on denying homosexuals thier humanity. Whatever you think of homosexual acts the scriptures require to to love other humans and attempt to save them. Callousness should never be a part of Christainity.

 

[bibleberean]

Promoting and Defending are two different things,
I'm 15 and i can comprehend that.

To me, i was just explaining a alternate view point on homosexuality,
while not promoting it, it tolerates it.

And from looking at some of the posts in here, i think tolerance wouldn't be going un-needed.

James

Defending perversion is promoting perversion.

You are very young.

I urge you to prayerfully read the scriptures and ask God to move your heart in the right direction.

Here is something I would like you to read.

Have you Considered This?

http://www.fundamentalbiblechurch.org/T ... consdr.htm

You also seem intent on denying homosexuals thier humanity. Whatever you think of homosexual acts the scriptures require to to love other humans and attempt to save them. Callousness should never be a part of Christainity.

I do not deny homosexuals their humanity.

I would like to see them saved.

I cannot emphasise that enough...

Homosexuals can be saved just like everyone else.

If a sinner like me can be saved then there is hope for everybody.

Thanks for sharing your concerns,

Robert

Mark 2:17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

 

[bibleberean]

I wrote this earlier...

But no matter how great the sin God will forgive a broken and contrite heart.

Psalms 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

I don't want anyone to think that God will not forgive any sin.

He will. We need to turn to Him with all our hearts and ask Him for strength to overcome our weakness and proclivity towards sin.

Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

God will forgive us. He will forgive anyone.

Heaven rejoices over a sinner who repents no matter what that sin is...

Luke 15:10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

God loves us and is long suffering towards us. He will cleanse the thief the drunk the liar the homosexual the whoremonger the drug addict.

Why should we neglect to turn to a God who was willing to die for us.

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

There is hope for us all through the grace of God or I know I won't be in heaven.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Some sins are worse than others but the wages of all sin is death...

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

I would encourage anyone who has not repented and believed the gospel to turn to Christ while there is still time.

There is a grand future to those who turn to Jesus.

1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

This life is a vapour consider Christ and His love.

In His service,

Robert

 

[Dave...]

Are people promoting obesity as natural? Not in the same sense as homosexuality, but whether or not people promote has no bearing on whether or not it is sinful.

I agree, no Christian is denying that both are sin (here). But some people are denying that both are unhealthy. Many deny that homosexuality is sin. Think about this. We had about forty years of propaganda and promotion of homosexuality through the liberal media, the school systems and just about everywhere else. It has only been recently that the floodgates have been opened and the other side, the truth is being heard. For all those years no opposing opinion or critique was allowed. The proof that many are misled about homosexuality is in these discussions themselves. This is one of the many reasons that this is a hot topic.

If I understand this thread correctly, the premise was that because so much time is spent preaching against homosexuality, that the reason must be because of prejudice that results in uneven confrontations of sin. If anything, knowing that the motives are love, I would at best call it unbalanced love with more going towards people that are enslaved by homosexuality. But I think it's more than that. There are many reasons, none that I believe are wrong.

Secondly, there is general acceptance of obesity, while we may think in our minds “that person would benefit from losing weightâ€Â, we generally don’t point out that a person is “fatâ€Â, laws prevent one from discriminating against a person who is obese, for example, in the workplace, we don’t have people protesting their funerals, telling them they’re going to hell ect. In general, obesity is not seen as a sinful lifestyle…just unfortunate.

Discriminating against someone because they are fat is like saying that they cannot do the job. I'm not sure where that fits into all this. And you don't know why they were over weight, so we cannot be sure if it was due to sin in every case. But homosexuality is different. Also...if a person asks for prayer because of heart problems or anything else that results from gluttony, I would not need to tell them where their problems stem from. On the other hand with homosexuality there are people who believe that it is natural, normal and healthy. They cannot understand where things went wrong when they are completely miserable and feel trapped. No matter what they try to do, they cannot get away from it. When they walk into a church completely broken, dieing of aids, they are there because all the activists who promote homosexuality have no answers for them. these activists are only interested in misleading the next batch. We as Christians have the answer in Christ Jesus. What is unfortunate, is that many people find this truth and are freed from the enslavement of their destructive sin well after their lives are completely destroyed.

While this is true, it is very rare. Secondly, how often have I heard “If homosexuality is genetic, it does not change anything, sin is a sinââ‚ ?

Nobody is arguing that it isn't.

 

[bibleberean]

Dave Writes:

When they walk into a church completely broken, dieing of aids, they are there because all the activists who promote homosexuality have no answers for them. these activists are only interested in misleading the next batch. We as Christians have the answer in Christ Jesus. What is unfortunate, is that many people find this truth and are freed from the enslavement of their destructive sin well after their lives are completely destroyed.

Amen brother Dave...

 

[Windozer]

Hi all,

As promised in my intro I have questions to ask you.

But first a disclaimer...I am not gay.

There are so many ways to approach this subject that I don't really know where to start.

So I will kick it off with this one.

Explain this verse?

Romans 5:13 NIV.
For before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.

Anyone?

 

[SputnikBoy]

Hi all,

As promised in my intro I have questions to ask you.

But first a disclaimer...I am not gay.

That you even feel the need to acknowledge this fact to other supposed nonjugmental Christian brothers and sisters is rather sad. But, I do understand why you did so.

There are so many ways to approach this subject that I don't really know where to start.

So we will kick it off with this one.

Explain this verse?

Romans 5:13 NIV.
For before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.

Perhaps it's too early for me to jump in here. As of the moment and not being too familiar with that text, however, I honestly don't know what it means. Perhaps I need to read the entire chapter in order to put the verse into context which I haven't done as yet.

As far as my thinking takes me, sin by definition is transgression of the law. So, as long as one is sinning without a prior knowledge of the law then how could they then be subject to God's wrath? Seems somewhat unjust. I'm sure someone else will respond with something far more enlightening than I have. Incidentally, while an interesting text, does it have anything to do with the thread issue?

 

[Windozer]

That you even feel the need to acknowledge this fact to other supposed nonjugmental Christian brothers and sisters is rather sad. But, I do understand why you did so.

You might find more later why I chose to include that.

Incidentally, while an interesting text, does it have anything to do with the thread issue?

It most certainly does, but I am coming at it from another angle.

Cheers.

 

[SputnikBoy]

We really DO need a different angle on this issue! ;-)

Look forward to hearing from you, Windozer.

 

[James1990]

Promoting and Defending are two different things,
I'm 15 and i can comprehend that.

To me, i was just explaining a alternate view point on homosexuality,
while not promoting it, it tolerates it.

And from looking at some of the posts in here, i think tolerance wouldn't be going un-needed.

James

Defending perversion is promoting perversion.
We're from different spectrums, i see perversion from sex, i'm not talking about sex.
You are very young.
Please don't try bring up my age as a means of invalidating my argument.
I urge you to prayerfully read the scriptures and ask God to move your heart in the right direction.
what direction is that? A close minded, conservative direction?

 

[bibleberean]

Homosexuality is all about sex.

I love men and I hug men.

I am attracted to certain men for fellowship.

That does not make me a homosexual.

I have affection for women other than my wife but that does not make me an adulterer.

I love my daughter my sons and my grandchildren. That does not make me a pedophile.

Homosexuality Merriam Webster

1 : the quality or state of being homosexual
2 : erotic activity with another of the same sex

If we are not discussing sexual activity then what in the world are we talking about?

Eating to an extreme is a sin.

Eating is not a sin.

Men having sex with men is a sin... always...

This is not a vast and complex issue. It is a simple one.

Acts 15:19-20 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

 

[AHIMSA]

Discriminating against someone because they are fat is like saying that they cannot do the job.

So its okay to discriminate against a homosexual? Is who they come home to at night going to get in the way of them doing their job?

On the other hand with homosexuality there are people who believe that it is natural, normal and healthy. They cannot understand where things went wrong when they are completely miserable and feel trapped. No matter what they try to do, they cannot get away from it. When they walk into a church completely broken, dieing of aids, they are there because all the activists who promote homosexuality have no answers for them.

Again, you show your conintued prejudices. You don't think the law should protect homosexuals from discrmination, but you think that its wrong to discriminate against people for other lifestyle choices. Secondly, all homosexuals are not unhappy. You paint this image like every gay person is out there dying of aids and wondering how where their lives went wrong. Its simply not true. Many homosexuals lead happy, healhty lives. This is just another ploy to make it look like homosexuality dooms all involved into a lifetime of misery.

And no BB, homosexuality is not all about sex. Would you consider your relationship with your wife to be "all about sex"? A homosexual relationship involves multiple levels of intimacy, including emotional, spiritual, mental and sexual.

 

[bibleberean]

And no BB, homosexuality is not all about sex. Would you consider your relationship with your wife to be "all about sex"? A homosexual relationship involves multiple levels of intimacy, including emotional, spiritual, mental and sexual.

I have emotional, spiritual, mental intimacy with men.

I don't have sex with them.

Marriage is between a man and a woman and that God given relationship sanctifies it.

Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

This whole thread is a smokescreen to try and justify perversion.

Two men can live together and share expenses, be friends and have a close natural relationship. That isn't perverse.

If they are living together to "play" at being "man and wife" then the relationship becomes unnatural and perverse.

This is "all about sex" and this thread is being used to try and confuse the issue.

Why does a person who wants to practice this sin and justify it get indignant in a Christian forum when Christian beliefs are presented?

 

[Relic]

This whole thread is a smokescreen to try and justify perversion.

You got that right! Those who are in denial of what this sin is and what an abomination this type of sin is. There is brotherly love and there are perverted affections. Know the difference and get it straight already!

I wonder why this thread wasn't locked a long time ago.
It is really getting old how these advocates of sexual sin insist on justifying the abomination. :evil:

Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

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[pfilmtech]

Still waiting on bible quotes that actually refer to homosexuality no Leviticus please since no one, even the most orthodox of Jews, can claim to follow half of Leviticus.

Also no vague quotes about "unnatural acts" or "sexual perversion" those terms could mean a hundred differetn things

 

[Windozer]

Explain this verse?

Romans 5:13 NIV.
For before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.

Anyone?

Avoiding something? Scared maybe?

 

[pfilmtech]

Explain this verse?

Romans 5:13 NIV.
For before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.

Anyone?

Avoiding something? Scared maybe?

I think it means that people who existed before the Bible was written were not to fault since they didn't have the laws.