Homosexuality and Obesity?

[Windozer]

We are not under the law. I agree...

Yet you ask why did Jesus say this?

John 19:11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

Murder is no worse than stealing a quarter?

Interesting how you can recognize that we are not under the law (which was in force under the old covenant) yet fail to acknowledge that under the new covenant God took care of something the law was unable to provide.

The problem with sin is it separates us from God. And it does not matter what sin that is. Being that it is imposable for anyone to be perfect we are lost with out the new covenant.

So the apostles have tried everything they can to get us past this issue.

Examples: from 1st John:3,

4Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

Humanly speaking one would have to be perfect for that to be true in their lives.

1John:1
8If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. 9No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.

That certainly signals that it is he who has taken care of the issue not us.

1John:1

9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.

1 John: 4 -10

This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins

1John: 5

16If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life.

So if you see a person committing such a sin you are instructed to pray. Do you trust Jesus for this or not?

18We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot harm him.

Here again it appears as though God is in charge.

Hmmmm? :o

God has to get us beyond the stage of focusing on sin, so he can use us where he wants to use us. And as you can see from the scripture above he has bent over backward to get us there.

 

[bibleberean]

1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

Yes interesting... we aren't even to eat with a brother in the church who practices these sins yet all sins are the same.

Hmm???

We are still to preach repentance against idolatry, fornication, etc. to non-believers as well...

Acts 17:29-31 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

all men everywhere....

No matter how clever the arguments the bible tells us not to practice fornication.

Acts 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

I understand grace but that isn't license or excuse to tolerate sin.

1 Corinthians 5:1-3 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,

Paul tells the church to put the sinner out of the church.

Sounds like we still have those who are "puffed up" when it comes to defending and excusing sin.

We should not tolerate unrepentant homosexuals in the church...

End of story... 8-)

 

[Windozer]

1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

Yes interesting... we aren't even to eat with a brother in the church who practices these sins yet all sins are the same.

Yes very interesting. The very kind of people Jesus stayed with and ate with. The very kind of people Jesus chose for apostles. Do I then hear you say that you eat with and stay with those kind of people if they are not in the church?

Not quite the end of story.

1st corinthians 5:

9 I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church?

I have not seen you draw any distinction between the churched gay or the unchurched gay?

Also Sir...keep in mind that you need to include your self in that bunch. as you have slandered people in this thread that I would be prepared to love.


Romans 8:
1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,[a] 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering.[c] And so he condemned sin in sinful man, 4 in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.

5 Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind of sinful man[e] is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; 7 the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. 8 Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God.

 

[SputnikBoy]

We should not tolerate unrepentant homosexuals in the church...

End of story... 8-)

How about unrepentent liars? And how do we know they're 'truly' repentent anyway ...they don't lie any more? And how do others know that WE are repentent of our sins ...because we tell them so? Hmmm ...h'okay.

 

[SputnikBoy]

Also Sir...keep in mind that you need to include your self in that bunch. as you have slandered people in this thread that I would be prepared to love.

Shame on all of us who don't share those sentiments.

 

[bibleberean]

Jesus ate with sinners to call them to repentance not to tell them they were not too bad or that they didn't need to repent to be right with God.

Jesus told people to repent...

Is this biblical rocket science? :

Are you guys that desperate to justify allowing blatant and unrepentant sinners in the church?

How about unrepentant murderers and pedophiles?

What is wrong with you?

1 Corinthians 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

1 Corinthians 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

1 Corinthians 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,

1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.


1 Corinthians 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

It is one thing to struggle with sin. It is another thing to try to twist the scriptures to justify it.

 

[bibleberean]

The unchurched homosexuals need to be ate with to call them to repentance and preach the gospel of salvation to them.

I have said that.

I have also said repeatedly that homosexuals can be saved like everyone else.

I am getting tired of having to repeat myself to people that have read my posts and know exactly what I have said.

God does not approve or condone homosexual relations inside or outside the church.

Get a clue... :roll:

We can witness to those outside the church but that doesn't mean we condone or justify their sins.

1 Corinthians 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

Of course we are to witness to the unsaved. We are not to eat with fornicators in the church.

It is the end of the story... :D

 

[SputnikBoy]

I reiterate ...as long as you continue to sin, BB, you have no business calling others 'sinners'. None at all.

 

[itoldyounoalready]

Okay BB, I get your point but I think you're adding alot of you're own bias into this also, to [b]you[/b] it is a very sick sin, to God it is sin, and sin just the same, you yourself make it seem as though homosexuals burn in hell with no hope whatsoever, let's all just go in a mob of people and burn, stab and torch them all, they're an abomination to society.
Use your head, not your emotions in your argument it takes away from your post.

I have never advocated getting a mob together to "burn, stab or torch homosexuals.

What I have stated is what the bible states and the bible states that homosexuality is a vile sin.

It is an abomination before a Holy God.

The bible has very strong words against it.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

This sin is not like eating too much food at Thanksgiving.

I do not hate homosexuals and I am not being emotional about it.

I am simply repeating what God's word states.

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

As long as this sin is being touted as no different than any other sin I will be repeating these scriptures.

Sin is sin and some sins are worse than others.

Running a stop sign is against the law and so is rape and armed robbery.

I guarantee you that running a stop sign is not as bad as rape in God's eyes.

Both are sins but I would rather be punished for running a stop sign than committing armed robbery.

WRONG, God hates ALL sin no matter what you can't justify your actions by saying that your's aren't as bad as another's, all sins are vile and equal and all separates us from God.

 

[bibleberean]

Oh yeah, one more obvious thing.

Those inside the church should already no that adultery, lying, stealing, and homosexuality is a sin.

But thanks to false teachers and apostates that distinction is becoming harder and harder to get across.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

These people will hate sound doctrine.

1 Timothy 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

1 Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

2 Timothy 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Does the logic of these justifiers of sin make sense?

"Hey manslayers and whoremongers, Jesus died for your sins and we are all sinners anyway. Why don't you become our pastors? After all it's all about grace and we can't tell who is repentant and who isn't so what difference does it make?"

I cannot believe the degenerate arguments people make to defend perversity....

 

[bibleberean]

I reiterate ...as long as you continue to sin, BB, you have no business calling others 'sinners'. None at all.

Then John the Baptist, Peter Paul and ever man in the whole world should keep their mouths shut!

All have sinned!

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

According to that asinine logic no one can ever say anyone is a sinner.

So, why are you calling me a sinner? :

What's the matter? Can't practice what you preach? :angel:

 

[pfilmtech]

Again you quote Leviticus a book not applicable to Chrisitanity. Unless you eat only kosher food and make your wife move out of the house during her period do not quote Leviticus as it would make you a hypocirte.

 

[bibleberean]

Again you quote Leviticus a book not applicable to Chrisitanity. Unless you eat only kosher food and make your wife move out of the house during her period do not quote Leviticus as it would make you a hypocirte.

There are laws that are in Leviticus that apply today. Not all of them but it is easy to know which ones apply to the church.

Acts 15:28-29 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Fornication is still a sin...

1 Corinthians 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

Are you a Christian?

 

[pfilmtech]

Nope but I've read the Bible more than once and feel I have a decent knowledge of it.

 

[bibleberean]

Nope but I've read the Bible more than once and feel I have a decent knowledge of it.

Good for you. I hope you continue to grow in knowledge.

There are parts of Leviticus that the church has in common with Israel and parts the church does not.

It takes study to "rightly divide the word".

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

I truly mean this. I hope you continue to read the bible and I hope you come to a saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.

In His service,

Robert

 

[Windozer]

Romans 14: 4 Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

1 Corinthians 4:3 NIV
I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself.

James 4:12 NIV
There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But youâ€â€who are you to judge your neighbor?

James 4:11 NIV
Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it.

Ist corinthians 5: 12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church?

I am getting tired of having to repeat myself to people that have read my posts and know exactly what I have said.

I hope you get real tired of it.

What business is it of yours to judge those outside the church? Get off of Gods throne bibleberean !!!

End of Story.

 

[bibleberean]

It is a Christians duty to preach to those outside of the church. To call them to repentance.

Mark 16:15-16 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

I don't want people to remain children of wrath but come to the truth.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

I care about the fate of unbelievers.

I don't want them to be confused by those who claim to know God but don't.

Titus 1:15-16 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

 

[Windozer]

It is a Christians duty to preach to those outside of the church. To call them to repentance.

Speak for yourself? I am not buying that. That is not my calling. I am now out of this direct conversation with you. It is highly unlikely that I will respond to many more of your posts, as this is accomplishing nothing.

I have just been to your web site, and while there is a lot of good there, I found some pretty strong claims made. I do not support many of them. Especially the need to state them. But I will leave you to your world.

Peace.

 

[peace4all]

Acts 15:28-29 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

as BB has written.

Why not solve this problem and allow homosexual marriage? would that not solve the issue?

btw, please check out my thread concerning this particular piece of scripture, it seems to be confusing. (or maybe I can't read)

 

[bibleberean]

Marriage is between a man and a woman. God will not sanctify a marriage between two Sodomites.

But, you already knew that this is the biblical position... 8-)