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How can the trinity be one God?

JLB said:
What does Yahweh mean in the Bible ?
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I was dealing with vowels added to the tetragrammaton, YHWH, by the Masoretes so that this word could be pronounced.

A request for the meaning of Yahweh was not in my post.
 
JLB said:
Could you post the scripture you are referring to ?
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I asked the question: "Are they 3 separate persons or 3 separate modes or manifestations of existence OR something else?"

You replied with a question. I'm seeking your understanding of the relationship among Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Are they persons?

Oz
 
OzSpen said:
JLB,

How does that relate to the OP?

Oz
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The OP is about how the trinity is one God.

YHWH declares that the Lord YHWH is One.

Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!
Deuteronomy 6:4


ELOHIM is what you call the Trinity, which I call the Godhead.


My question remains to you and all who are in this thread.


Based on the flowing scripture, that says the Lord, YHWH, is coming with the saints, do you believe the Father or the Son is coming with the saints on that Day?


Thus the Lord my God will come, and all the saints with You.
Zechariah 14:5


JLB
 
OzSpen said:
I was dealing with vowels added to the tetragrammaton, YHWH, by the Masoretes so that this word could be pronounced.

A request for the meaning of Yahweh was not in my post.
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It was my question to you.
 
OzSpen said:
I asked the question: "Are they 3 separate persons or 3 separate modes or manifestations of existence OR something else?"

You replied with a question. I'm seeking your understanding of the relationship among Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Are they persons?

Oz
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I’m trying to understand your question, by how it relates to scripture.
 
I'm going to require that all posters remember to tone things down a bit. There seems to be too much trying to prove one's self to be right or backing others into a corner rather than seeking deeper understanding and that is not edifying for anyone. What it does show is pride is getting in the way of humility.
 
JLB said:
Ok.
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JLB,

My question to you in #158 was: "How does that [biblically orthodox. evangelical Christian] fit with you? Is there anything in this theology with which you disagree?"

However, if you don't want to address that question, I'll move on.

Oz
 
WIP said:
I'm going to require that all posters remember to tone things down a bit. There seems to be too much trying to prove one's self to be right or backing others into a corner rather than seeking deeper understanding and that is not edifying for anyone. What it does show is pride is getting in the way of humility.
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WIP,

That's not what I've been trying to do. I have been 'seeking [a] deeper understanding'. If that's considered a demonstration of pride and preventing humility, I'll move on.

That has not been my approach. I'm trying to gain insight into this person's beliefs relating to the OP. It's not forth coming.

Oz
 
OzSpen said:
WIP,

That's not what I've been trying to do. I have been 'seeking [a] deeper understanding'. If that's considered a demonstration of pride and preventing humility, I'll move on.

That has not been my approach. I'm trying to gain insight into this person's beliefs relating to the OP. It's not forth coming.

Oz
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Let's just watch the tone of the replies. They have been getting more aggressive and haughty to some degree and I want to see things cool back down.
 
The meaning of YHWH is 'I AM' or 'He brings into existence whatever exists'.

"The name Yahweh refers to God’s self-existence. Yahweh is linked to how God described Himself in Exodus 3:14, “God said to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: “I AM has sent me to you.”’” God’s name is a reflection of His being. God is the only self-existent or self-sufficient Being. Only God has life in and of Himself. That is the essential meaning of the tetragrammaton, YHWH" (Got Questions Ministries).

There are at least 10 things the name Yahweh, “I AM,” says about God:

1. He never had a beginning. Every child asks, “Who made God?” And every wise parent says, “Nobody made God. God simply is. And always was. No beginning.”

2. God will never end. If he did not come into being he cannot go out of being, because he is being.

3. God is absolute reality. There is no reality before him. There is no reality outside of him unless he wills it and makes it. He is all that was eternally. No space, no universe, no emptiness. Only God.

4. God is utterly independent. He depends on nothing to bring him into being or support him or counsel him or make him what he is.

5. Everything that is not God depends totally on God. The entire universe is utterly secondary. It came into being by God and stays in being moment by moment on God’s decision to keep it in being.

6. All the universe is by comparison to God as nothing. Contingent, dependent reality is to absolute, independent reality as a shadow to substance. As an echo to a thunderclap. All that we are amazed by in the world and in the galaxies, is, compared to God, as nothing.

7. God is constant. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He cannot be improved. He is not becoming anything. He is who he is.

8. God is the absolute standard of truth and goodness and beauty. There is no law-book to which he looks to know what is right. No almanac to establish facts. No guild to determine what is excellent or beautiful. He himself is the standard of what is right, what is true, what is beautiful.

9. God does whatever he pleases and it is always right and always beautiful and always in accord with truth. All reality that is outside of him he created and designed and governs as the absolute reality. So he is utterly free from any constraints that don’t originate from the counsel of his own will.

10. God is the most important and most valuable reality and person in the universe. He is more worthy of interest and attention and admiration and enjoyment than all other realities, including the entire universe (Desiring God)
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Oz
 
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JLB said:
Ok.

Now go down to verses 8-10, to see what the Father says about the Son.


But to the Son He says: You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.


8 But to the Son He says:

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
10 And:“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.




JLB
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Heb. 1:2 says the Father created the world through the Son. The word 'through' suggests the means. So the Son accomplished what the Father gave him to do, create a world of living beings. I agree the Son did it. The Son founded the earth and the heavens are the work of his hands. But the Father is the Creator. In fact Pr. 8:22 tells us the Father created the Son.

God is One and yet he praises the Son. Is God praising himself? No. Did the Son congratulate himself? No. The Father praised the Son. The Father anointed the Son.

The Son's desire from the beginning is to please the Father. It is to do the Father's will.

John 4:34
Jesus said to them, “My food is to do the will of him who sent me, and to accomplish his work.
 
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chessman said:
“Yahweh possessed me, the first of his ways, before his acts of old.​
Proverbs 8:22 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Proverbs 8:22&version=LEB

Proverbs 8:22 doesn’t mention The Father or the Son. But 23 mentions eternity.

From eternity, I was set up from the first, from the beginning of the earth.​
Proverbs 8:23 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Proverbs 8:23&version=LEB
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I'm using the RSV.

Proverbs 8:22 The Lord created me at the beginning of his work,[c]
the first of his acts of old.
23 Ages ago I was set up,
at the first, before the beginning of the earth.
24 When there were no depths I was brought forth,
when there were no springs abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains had been shaped,
before the hills, I was brought forth;
26 before he had made the earth with its fields,[d]
or the first of the dust[e] of the world.
27 When he established the heavens, I was there,
when he drew a circle on the face of the deep,
28 when he made firm the skies above,
when he established[f] the fountains of the deep,
29 when he assigned to the sea its limit,
so that the waters might not transgress his command,
when he marked out the foundations of the earth,
30 then I was beside him, like a master workman;[g]
and I was daily his[h] delight,
rejoicing before him always,
31 rejoicing in his inhabited world
and delighting in the sons of men.

It doesn't mention the Father or the Son because it's OT scripture. It was written well before Jesus was born. But it does say 'the LORD created me at the beginning of his work, the first of his acts of old' and 'then I was beside him, like a master worker; and I was daily his[f] delight, rejoicing before him always, rejoicing in his inhabited world and delighting in the sons of men.'

So given the fact that Jesus said he was with God in the beginning John 17:5, I think we can say the Son was the workman.
 
OzSpen said:
JLB,

My question to you in #158 was: "How does that [biblically orthodox. evangelical Christian] fit with you? Is there anything in this theology with which you disagree?"

However, if you don't want to address that question, I'll move on.

Oz
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As I said before, I don’t know what a biblically orthodox. evangelical Christian is.

I’m not really into labels because not everyone under a certain label believes the same way.

To me you might as well be asking if I’m a charismatic Baptist, which some call a Bapticostal.


If you want to ask me specific questions about what I believe, I will be glad to answer them.


JLB
 
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