Of course He isn’t the Father... is what I was referring to.
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How can the trinity be one God?
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Of course He isn’t the Father... is what I was referring to.
I’m sorry.
I’m not following what your saying.
What is it that is bringing chaos?
JLB
Jesus is the Lord God.
If you have read any of my posts, this is what I have been saying.
JLB
How do you pronounce YHWH? Why was it necessary for the Masoretes of the 6th and 7th centuries AD to insert vowels in YHWH?
When vowels are inserted in YHWH, what is the transliteration and pronunciation?
That's not the issue I raised with you. I am trying to better understand the theology posted on this forum.
Are you an orthodox Christian Trinitarian or of some other persuasion?
How do you answer the issues I raised in #122?
Oz
I simply don’t know.
If you want to add vowels to YHWH, add these.
YĕHoWsHuwa
This is the Hebrew for Joshua, which means
YHWH the Lord is salvation, which is what Jesus means also.
JLB
It says the Son can only do what he sees the Father doing. Logically, if the Son created the universe, he would have been doing what he saw the Father doing. The Son obeys the Father. Whatever the Father does, the Son does likewise. Pr. says he was like a master workman. So the Son accomplished on earth what the Father did in heaven.
To put it another way, the Son was the way God the Father created the universe.
JLB,
Are you associated with orthodox (not Orthodox) evangelical Christianity?
What you have stated here most certainly is part of the explanation of the orthodox view of God. However, we need to explain the relationship among Father, Son and Holy Spirit?
Are they 3 separate persons or 3 separate modes or manifestations of existence OR something else?
In your view, how do Father, Son and Holy Spirit related to one another?
Would you agree or disagree with this assessment?
All three Persons are associated together on an equal basis in numerous passages:
These Scriptures confirm the separate persons and functions of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. How does that line up with the theology you accept of the Father being God, Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God?
Oz
Again, your quote was a reference to the Man Jesus Christ, while He was on earth.
The Son created all things before He became flesh.
Before all things.
The Son is before all things.
- He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or [e]principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. Colossians 1:15-17
JLB
Could you post the scripture you are referring to ?
Yes.
I believe in their separate functions, as I stated in a previous post #115.
I see the creation process this way.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness [a]was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. Genesis 1:1-3
The Godhead, Elohim, The Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, created the heavens and the earth.
It was God the Father’s will that there was light.
The Word, Jesus, expressed the will of the Father by saying... let there be light.
Light came into being, was manifested, by the power of the Holy Spirit.
JLB
I would like to ask you a question, and I invite anyone to answer it.
Based on the flowing scripture, that says the Lord YHWH, is coming with the saints, do you believe the Father or the Son is coming with the saints on that Day?
Thus the Lord my God will come, and all the saints with You.
Zechariah 14:5
JLB
In English,
's' is not a vowel;
'h' is not a vowel;
'w' is not a vowel.
The vowels the Jewish Masoretes, 6th-10th centuries, added so that YHWH could be pronounced were:
One of the frequent cases was the tetragrammaton [YHWH], which according to later Jewish practices should not be pronounced but read as "Adonai" ("My Lord"), or, if the previous or next word already was Adonai, as "Elohim" ("God"). The combination produces יְהֹוָה and יֱהֹוִה respectively, non-words that would spell "Yehovah" and "Yehovih" respectively.....
Yahweh
Wilhelm Gesenius's Hebrew punctuation (i.e., Yahweh)
Tetragrammaton (with the vowel points for Adonai) on a Wittenberg University debate lectern
The Hebrew scholar Wilhelm Gesenius [1786–1842] suggested that the Hebrew punctuation יַהְוֶה, which is transliterated into English as Yahweh, might more accurately represent the pronunciation of the tetragrammaton than the Biblical Hebrew punctuation "יְהֹוָה", from which the English name Jehovah has been derived. His proposal to read YHWH as "יַהְוֶה" ... was based in large part on various Greek transcriptions, such as ιαβε, dating from the first centuries CE but also on the forms of theophoric names. In his Hebrew Dictionary, Gesenius supports Yahweh (which would have been pronounced [jahwe], with the final letter being silent) because of the Samaritan pronunciation Ιαβε reported by Theodoret [Tetragrammaton, Wikipedia].
Oz
What does Yahweh mean in the Bible ?
Hebrews says God created the world through his Son. Heb. 1:2
You agree that the Son was with God in the beginning, so what makes you think it was different back then before he was made flesh?
Jesus' statement is true. “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing; for whatever he does, that the Son does likewise.
Ok.
Now go down to verses 8-10, to see what the Father says about the Son.
But to the Son He says: You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
8 But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
10 And:“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
JLB
Dr Google would help you identify the beliefs of evangelical Christianity which in my understanding is orthodox, Bible-believing, Christ-exalting Christianity.
See:
'What is evangelicalism?' (Christianity Today 2018) In this article, it is stated:
Packer identifies a syllabus of ten doctrinal convictions that ought to characterize evangelicals, such as Scripture’s authority, Christ’s supremacy as Savior and Lord, humans ruined and lost state in sin, and the necessity of faith and holiness; these convictions overlap considerably with what the historian observes. In practice, Bebbington argues, four particulars have distinctively characterized evangelicals throughout their history: emphasis on personal conversion, the Bible, the cross of Christ, and active Christian service. While evangelicals are orthodox, Nicene Christians with a Protestant heritage like that of many other Christians, these four characteristics together set them apart and hold them together as a movement through time and change.
I fit into those categories as a biblically orthodox. evangelical Christian.
How does that fit with you? Is there anything in this theology with which you disagree?
Oz