-How Does God Desire The Keeping Of HIS &th Day Sabbath-

[reba]

Re: -How Does God Desire The Keeping Of HIS &th Day Sammath-

Some folks put 'their view of the law' before God.

Keeping that 'pesky' #4 is a hard task...

Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:


No use of electric power.... nor city water....no public utilities ....no heat or air.... seems to me that would be from about sundown Friday tell sundown Saturday ....Hope one has no need of emergency services ... My hat is off to anyone who can truly keep Sabbath...

 

[Ryan]

Re: -How Does God Desire The Keeping Of HIS &th Day Sammath-

Some folks put 'their view of the law' before God.

Keeping that 'pesky' #4 is a hard task...

Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:


No use of electric power.... nor city water....no public utilities ....no heat or air.... seems to me that would be from about sundown Friday tell sundown Saturday ....Hope one has no need of emergency services ... My hat is off to anyone who can truly keep Sabbath...

Shouldn't we be the ones to conform to what God desires for us, instead of him conforming to us?

 

[reba]

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Yes we should.

 

[smaller]

Re: -How Does God Desire The Keeping Of HIS &th Day Sammath-

Some folks put 'their view of the law' before God.

Keeping that 'pesky' #4 is a hard task...

Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:


No use of electric power.... nor city water....no public utilities ....no heat or air.... seems to me that would be from about sundown Friday tell sundown Saturday ....Hope one has no need of emergency services ... My hat is off to anyone who can truly keep Sabbath...

And one may just as easily see that Jesus was not against 'doing good' on the Sabbath and that by 'working' to do, provide and perform all of the above that would be 'doing good' on the Sabbath.

This notion that the Sabbath means 'no work' is a misnomer of people's own makings.

It is never illegal to do good on any day, least of all the Sabbath.

Equating the Sabbath to a strict non-work principle doesn't compute and never did.

The 'food' the children of Israel gathered on Friday to eat on Saturday still had to be lifted into their mouths on the Sabbath.

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[farouk]

Re: -How Does God Desire The Keeping Of HIS &th Day Sammath-

Some folks put 'their view of the law' before God.

Keeping that 'pesky' #4 is a hard task...

Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:


No use of electric power.... nor city water....no public utilities ....no heat or air.... seems to me that would be from about sundown Friday tell sundown Saturday ....Hope one has no need of emergency services ... My hat is off to anyone who can truly keep Sabbath...

Shouldn't we be the ones to conform to what God desires for us, instead of him conforming to us?

How come that the sabbath, alone among the commandments in Exodus 20, did not have a corresponding sanction by the Lord Jesus in the Gospels?

(Again, it's a dispensational issue, I reckon.)

 

[reba]

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Seems to me He did He put the LAW ( mans view) of the Sabbath into common sense...or better said Back into God's plan..

Mar_2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: etc

 

[farouk]

Re: -How Does God Desire The Keeping Of HIS &th Day Sammath-

Seems to me He did He put the LAW ( mans view) of the Sabbath into common sense...or better said Back into God's plan..

Mar_2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: etc

reba: Yes, it's a sense of perspective, right?

I do think also that the Sabbath is not formally part of the Christian's body of doctrine in the way that it was for Old Testament Jews, however.

Blessings.

 

[Ryan]

Re: -How Does God Desire The Keeping Of HIS &th Day Sammath-

Some folks put 'their view of the law' before God.

Keeping that 'pesky' #4 is a hard task...

Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:


No use of electric power.... nor city water....no public utilities ....no heat or air.... seems to me that would be from about sundown Friday tell sundown Saturday ....Hope one has no need of emergency services ... My hat is off to anyone who can truly keep Sabbath...

Shouldn't we be the ones to conform to what God desires for us, instead of him conforming to us?

How come that the sabbath, alone among the commandments in Exodus 20, did not have a corresponding sanction by the Lord Jesus in the Gospels?

(Again, it's a dispensational issue, I reckon.)

Yeah, you nailed it on the head.

I was reading Luke 8:16-21 the parable of the lamp and not hiding the light, and at the end of verse 21, Jesus says "My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” What's interesting and need to point out, the only Word of God at that time was Genesis to Malachi. That was solely the Word, now of course I am not suggesting Matthew to Revelation is not God inspired, but before the formal canonization of the Gospels, Epistles and Revelation some time later, what else were believers supposed to follow?

Back to Luke 8 though, where else is the Word of God likened to a lamp?

Psalm 119:105
Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path.

If the entire scriptures and God's instructions were once a light to our path, I highly doubt the light has dimmed and his path is any different then when Exodus, Psalms, or Luke was written. Jesus did not have to sanction his own commandments, which of course is a dispensational idea I think? Then there are copious amounts of other commandments Jesus never sanctioned (such as bestiality).

 

[John 8:32]

Re: -How Does God Desire The Keeping Of HIS &th Day Sammath-

Some folks put 'their view of the law' before God.

Keeping that 'pesky' #4 is a hard task...

Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:


No use of electric power.... nor city water....no public utilities ....no heat or air.... seems to me that would be from about sundown Friday tell sundown Saturday ....Hope one has no need of emergency services ... My hat is off to anyone who can truly keep Sabbath...

Shouldn't we be the ones to conform to what God desires for us, instead of him conforming to us?

How come that the sabbath, alone among the commandments in Exodus 20, did not have a corresponding sanction by the Lord Jesus in the Gospels?

(Again, it's a dispensational issue, I reckon.)

Hmmm, and here I thought that it did...

Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
Mat 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Mat 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Teaching concerning the Sabbath.

Mat 12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
Mat 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
Mat 12:13 Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.
Mat 12:14 Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.

because He violated their do's and don'ts on the Sabbath.

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

Clear down to the end of the age, right before (3-1/2 years) His return, He is admonishing people to pray that their flight is not on the Sabbath.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Already covered, but what is the Lord's day? The seventh day Sabbath.

Joh 7:22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
Joh 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

He taught by word and example concerning the Sabbath day. There is not much said about the Sabbath in the New Testament because it is taken for fact that it has not been changed. There was a council in Jerusalem concerning circumcision, if the Sabbath were to be changed, it would have gotten much more press than circumcision.

 

[farouk]

Re: -How Does God Desire The Keeping Of HIS &th Day Sammath-

Some folks put 'their view of the law' before God.

Keeping that 'pesky' #4 is a hard task...

Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:


No use of electric power.... nor city water....no public utilities ....no heat or air.... seems to me that would be from about sundown Friday tell sundown Saturday ....Hope one has no need of emergency services ... My hat is off to anyone who can truly keep Sabbath...

Shouldn't we be the ones to conform to what God desires for us, instead of him conforming to us?

How come that the sabbath, alone among the commandments in Exodus 20, did not have a corresponding sanction by the Lord Jesus in the Gospels?

(Again, it's a dispensational issue, I reckon.)

Yeah, you nailed it on the head.

I was reading Luke 8:16-21 the parable of the lamp and not hiding the light, and at the end of verse 21, Jesus says "My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” What's interesting and need to point out, the only Word of God at that time was Genesis to Malachi. That was solely the Word, now of course I am not suggesting Matthew to Revelation is not God inspired, but before the formal canonization of the Gospels, Epistles and Revelation some time later, what else were believers supposed to follow?

Back to Luke 8 though, where else is the Word of God likened to a lamp?

Psalm 119:105
Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path.

If the entire scriptures and God's instructions were once a light to our path, I highly doubt the light has dimmed and his path is any different then when Exodus, Psalms, or Luke was written. Jesus did not have to sanction his own commandments, which of course is a dispensational idea I think? Then there are copious amounts of other commandments Jesus never sanctioned (such as bestiality).

Ryan:

Really, I think that to cite besiality as a reason for the New Testament believer, under grace, to be put under the Old Testament Sabbath, is rather unconvicing.

Remember: the Old Testament saints did not have the direct revelation of the facts of the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus; they held to their promise, and had the types and shadows. But when the fulfilment of the types and shadows came (and this is what the whole Epistle of the Hebrews is about, really) a 'better' testament emerged, and 'better' is a keyword to Hebrews. The resurrection of the Lord Jesus corresponds with the feast of firstfruits, and Christ is now become the firstfruits of them that slept (1 Corinthans 15.20).

 

[Ryan]

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How come that the sabbath, alone among the commandments in Exodus 20, did not have a corresponding sanction by the Lord Jesus in the Gospels?

(Again, it's a dispensational issue, I reckon.)

Yeah, you nailed it on the head.

I was reading Luke 8:16-21 the parable of the lamp and not hiding the light, and at the end of verse 21, Jesus says "My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” What's interesting and need to point out, the only Word of God at that time was Genesis to Malachi. That was solely the Word, now of course I am not suggesting Matthew to Revelation is not God inspired, but before the formal canonization of the Gospels, Epistles and Revelation some time later, what else were believers supposed to follow?

Back to Luke 8 though, where else is the Word of God likened to a lamp?

Psalm 119:105
Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path.

If the entire scriptures and God's instructions were once a light to our path, I highly doubt the light has dimmed and his path is any different then when Exodus, Psalms, or Luke was written. Jesus did not have to sanction his own commandments, which of course is a dispensational idea I think? Then there are copious amounts of other commandments Jesus never sanctioned (such as bestiality).

Ryan:

Really, I think that to cite besiality as a reason for the New Testament believer, under grace, to be put under the Old Testament Sabbath, is rather unconvicing.

You said, "How come that the sabbath, alone among the commandments in Exodus 20, did not have a corresponding sanction by the Lord Jesus in the Gospels?"

I was merely using the logic you were using to demonstrate your argument is flawed if Jesus had to sanction a commandment to make it relevant in the New Testament. Your logic not mine.

I would sure love to know where all pre-Christ believers are who never had grace before Jesus came. But I digress, another topic for another thread.

 

[Ryan]

Re: -How Does God Desire The Keeping Of HIS &th Day Sammath-

Some folks put 'their view of the law' before God.

Keeping that 'pesky' #4 is a hard task...

Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:


No use of electric power.... nor city water....no public utilities ....no heat or air.... seems to me that would be from about sundown Friday tell sundown Saturday ....Hope one has no need of emergency services ... My hat is off to anyone who can truly keep Sabbath...

Shouldn't we be the ones to conform to what God desires for us, instead of him conforming to us?

How come that the sabbath, alone among the commandments in Exodus 20, did not have a corresponding sanction by the Lord Jesus in the Gospels?

(Again, it's a dispensational issue, I reckon.)

Hmmm, and here I thought that it did...

Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
Mat 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Mat 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Teaching concerning the Sabbath.

Mat 12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
Mat 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
Mat 12:13 Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.
Mat 12:14 Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.

because He violated their do's and don'ts on the Sabbath.

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

Clear down to the end of the age, right before (3-1/2 years) His return, He is admonishing people to pray that their flight is not on the Sabbath.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Already covered, but what is the Lord's day? The seventh day Sabbath.

Joh 7:22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
Joh 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

He taught by word and example concerning the Sabbath day. There is not much said about the Sabbath in the New Testament because it is taken for fact that it has not been changed. There was a council in Jerusalem concerning circumcision, if the Sabbath were to be changed, it would have gotten much more press than circumcision.

Love it when scriptures make sense. Thanks for presenting God's Word and not man's opinion.

 

[farouk]

Re: -How Does God Desire The Keeping Of HIS &th Day Sammath-

Some folks put 'their view of the law' before God.

Keeping that 'pesky' #4 is a hard task...

Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:


No use of electric power.... nor city water....no public utilities ....no heat or air.... seems to me that would be from about sundown Friday tell sundown Saturday ....Hope one has no need of emergency services ... My hat is off to anyone who can truly keep Sabbath...

Shouldn't we be the ones to conform to what God desires for us, instead of him conforming to us?

How come that the sabbath, alone among the commandments in Exodus 20, did not have a corresponding sanction by the Lord Jesus in the Gospels?

(Again, it's a dispensational issue, I reckon.)

Hmmm, and here I thought that it did...

Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
Mat 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Mat 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Teaching concerning the Sabbath.

Mat 12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
Mat 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
Mat 12:13 Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.
Mat 12:14 Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.

because He violated their do's and don'ts on the Sabbath.

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

Clear down to the end of the age, right before (3-1/2 years) His return, He is admonishing people to pray that their flight is not on the Sabbath.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Already covered, but what is the Lord's day? The seventh day Sabbath.

Joh 7:22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
Joh 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

He taught by word and example concerning the Sabbath day. There is not much said about the Sabbath in the New Testament because it is taken for fact that it has not been changed. There was a council in Jerusalem concerning circumcision, if the Sabbath were to be changed, it would have gotten much more press than circumcision.

John 8.32:

The Lord Jesus is dealing with abuses in those passage that you mention. And look in vain at the Mark 10 and Luke 18 passages where the Lord Jesus speaks of the Old Testament commandments, for some reference to the Sabbath.

Dispensations do matter. The way we read passages will profoundly affect our outlook.

 

[farouk]

Re: -How Does God Desire The Keeping Of HIS &th Day Sammath-

How come that the sabbath, alone among the commandments in Exodus 20, did not have a corresponding sanction by the Lord Jesus in the Gospels?

(Again, it's a dispensational issue, I reckon.)

Yeah, you nailed it on the head.

I was reading Luke 8:16-21 the parable of the lamp and not hiding the light, and at the end of verse 21, Jesus says "My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” What's interesting and need to point out, the only Word of God at that time was Genesis to Malachi. That was solely the Word, now of course I am not suggesting Matthew to Revelation is not God inspired, but before the formal canonization of the Gospels, Epistles and Revelation some time later, what else were believers supposed to follow?

Back to Luke 8 though, where else is the Word of God likened to a lamp?

Psalm 119:105
Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path.

If the entire scriptures and God's instructions were once a light to our path, I highly doubt the light has dimmed and his path is any different then when Exodus, Psalms, or Luke was written. Jesus did not have to sanction his own commandments, which of course is a dispensational idea I think? Then there are copious amounts of other commandments Jesus never sanctioned (such as bestiality).

Ryan:

Really, I think that to cite besiality as a reason for the New Testament believer, under grace, to be put under the Old Testament Sabbath, is rather unconvicing.

You said, "How come that the sabbath, alone among the commandments in Exodus 20, did not have a corresponding sanction by the Lord Jesus in the Gospels?"

I was merely using the logic you were using to demonstrate your argument is flawed if Jesus had to sanction a commandment to make it relevant in the New Testament. Your logic not mine.

I would sure love to know where all pre-Christ believers are who never had grace before Jesus came. But I digress, another topic for another thread.

Look at the Lord Jesus's discussion of the commandments in Mark 10 and Luke 18. Where is the ceremonial Sabbath in those passages? and as a more general question why would the Lord Jesus supposedly be putting New Testament believers back under the Old Testament law?

 

[John 8:32]

Re: -How Does God Desire The Keeping Of HIS &th Day Sammath-

How come that the sabbath, alone among the commandments in Exodus 20, did not have a corresponding sanction by the Lord Jesus in the Gospels?

(Again, it's a dispensational issue, I reckon.)

Yeah, you nailed it on the head.

I was reading Luke 8:16-21 the parable of the lamp and not hiding the light, and at the end of verse 21, Jesus says "My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.†What's interesting and need to point out, the only Word of God at that time was Genesis to Malachi. That was solely the Word, now of course I am not suggesting Matthew to Revelation is not God inspired, but before the formal canonization of the Gospels, Epistles and Revelation some time later, what else were believers supposed to follow?

Back to Luke 8 though, where else is the Word of God likened to a lamp?

Psalm 119:105
Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path.

If the entire scriptures and God's instructions were once a light to our path, I highly doubt the light has dimmed and his path is any different then when Exodus, Psalms, or Luke was written. Jesus did not have to sanction his own commandments, which of course is a dispensational idea I think? Then there are copious amounts of other commandments Jesus never sanctioned (such as bestiality).

Ryan:

Really, I think that to cite besiality as a reason for the New Testament believer, under grace, to be put under the Old Testament Sabbath, is rather unconvicing.

Remember: the Old Testament saints did not have the direct revelation of the facts of the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus; they held to their promise, and had the types and shadows. But when the fulfilment of the types and shadows came (and this is what the whole Epistle of the Hebrews is about, really) a 'better' testament emerged, and 'better' is a keyword to Hebrews. The resurrection of the Lord Jesus corresponds with the feast of firstfruits, and Christ is now become the firstfruits of them that slept (1 Corinthans 15.20).

The Feast of Firstfruits has not occurred yet, Christ was resurrected during the Days of Unleavened bread and His ascension is pictured by the Wave Sheaf offering.

Just to clarify a point...

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Written twenty some years after the crucifixion and resurrection, the sahdows are STILL shadows of things to come, i.e. the future fulfillment.

Pentecost has not been fulfilled yet, there is still an early harvest to occur at the return of Christ. Trumpets has not been fulfilled: the seventh trump has not sounded and Christ has not returned. Atonement? This world has not become at one with God and Rev 20:1-3 has certainly not occurred. Tabernacles? The Millenium has not come yet and the Last Great Day? Teh Great White Throne Judgment has not happened yet.

 

[John 8:32]

Re: -How Does God Desire The Keeping Of HIS &th Day Sammath-

Ryan:

Really, I think that to cite besiality as a reason for the New Testament believer, under grace, to be put under the Old Testament Sabbath, is rather unconvicing.

You said, "How come that the sabbath, alone among the commandments in Exodus 20, did not have a corresponding sanction by the Lord Jesus in the Gospels?"

I was merely using the logic you were using to demonstrate your argument is flawed if Jesus had to sanction a commandment to make it relevant in the New Testament. Your logic not mine.

I would sure love to know where all pre-Christ believers are who never had grace before Jesus came. But I digress, another topic for another thread.

Look at the Lord Jesus's discussion of the commandments in Mark 10 and Luke 18. Where is the ceremonial Sabbath in those passages? and as a more general question why would the Lord Jesus supposedly be putting New Testament believers back under the Old Testament law?

And where is the admonishment to have no other God's before Him and to not take His name in vain and to not worship idols? Your logic holds no water.

 

[Ryan]

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I have never met one Sabbath keeper who observes the Sabbath as God directed, in the best way we can, ever say the Sabbath is such a drag. Ask anyone, myself included and I start looking forward to next weeks Sabbath from Saturday night to Friday night. God made the Sabbath cause he knew what was best for us from day 7 of the creation of this world that we need that rest. If God felt it necessary to rest from his works, I must follow his example which Jesus followed perfectly and taught in accordance to his Father's Word.

 

[John 8:32]

Re: -How Does God Desire The Keeping Of HIS &th Day Sammath-

How come that the sabbath, alone among the commandments in Exodus 20, did not have a corresponding sanction by the Lord Jesus in the Gospels?

(Again, it's a dispensational issue, I reckon.)

Hmmm, and here I thought that it did...

Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
Mat 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Mat 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Teaching concerning the Sabbath.

Mat 12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
Mat 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
Mat 12:13 Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.
Mat 12:14 Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.

because He violated their do's and don'ts on the Sabbath.

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

Clear down to the end of the age, right before (3-1/2 years) His return, He is admonishing people to pray that their flight is not on the Sabbath.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Already covered, but what is the Lord's day? The seventh day Sabbath.

Joh 7:22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
Joh 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

He taught by word and example concerning the Sabbath day. There is not much said about the Sabbath in the New Testament because it is taken for fact that it has not been changed. There was a council in Jerusalem concerning circumcision, if the Sabbath were to be changed, it would have gotten much more press than circumcision.

John 8.32:

The Lord Jesus is dealing with abuses in those passage that you mention. And look in vain at the Mark 10 and Luke 18 passages where the Lord Jesus speaks of the Old Testament commandments, for some reference to the Sabbath.

Dispensations do matter. The way we read passages will profoundly affect our outlook.

Yes, He was! He was instructing them on the PROPER OBSERVANCE of the Sabbath. Unlike today when no one keeps the Sabbath, they were so strict in the observance, applying their own do's and don'ts that they were violating the spirit and intent of it. Today it is profaned by nearly everyone.

 

[John 8:32]

Re: -How Does God Desire The Keeping Of HIS &th Day Sammath-

I have never met one Sabbath keeper who observes the Sabbath as God directed, in the best way we can, ever say the Sabbath is such a drag. Ask anyone, myself included and I start looking forward to next weeks Sabbath from Saturday night to Friday night. God made the Sabbath cause he knew what was best for us from day 7 of the creation of this world that we need that rest. If God felt it necessary to rest from his works, I must follow his example which Jesus followed perfectly and taught in accordance to his Father's Word.

Ryan, my friend, I actually begin to feel a little giddy on Friday afternoons with anticipation. Anyone who has truly kept the Sabbath knows what I mean. It is the high point of the week.

 

[Ryan]

Re: -How Does God Desire The Keeping Of HIS &th Day Sammath-

Some folks put 'their view of the law' before God.

Keeping that 'pesky' #4 is a hard task...

Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:


No use of electric power.... nor city water....no public utilities ....no heat or air.... seems to me that would be from about sundown Friday tell sundown Saturday ....Hope one has no need of emergency services ... My hat is off to anyone who can truly keep Sabbath...

Shouldn't we be the ones to conform to what God desires for us, instead of him conforming to us?

How come that the sabbath, alone among the commandments in Exodus 20, did not have a corresponding sanction by the Lord Jesus in the Gospels?

(Again, it's a dispensational issue, I reckon.)

There was a council in Jerusalem concerning circumcision, if the Sabbath were to be changed, it would have gotten much more press than circumcision.

Mark 2:24
The Pharisees were saying to Him, “Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the Sabbath?â€

It did receive some media attention and Jesus dealt with it by the proper observance based on God's Word. Not man's tradition.