How does Pork Kill you?

[jasoncran]

yes, i agree that pork isnt healthy for u either than so does some fish, hot dogs, any processed food, and red meat, therefore ,fembot, do you recommend that we become vegans, as there's no such commandmants, if u also say that what about supplements and the like that weightlifters use(some body builders do stress their bodies to compete and get away with that for a while, but some pay in the older years, holes in the heart(steriods) or back issues, knee issues from the weights) no to comdemn any of that but where do u draw the line, knowledge is good but only the person must decide for themselves

i believe we should take care of ourselves, but in balence as well, to much time in the gym is bad or being legal bout food is bad as well. a vegan is anymore saved than anyone else.

jason

 

[Fembot]

Jason, JASON. It is written in the Bible. No, I am not saying we should be vegans. I like steak and eggs too much for that! :yes (the Bible allows us to be carnivores, btw)
I am simply pointing out the disobedience some people promote. Yes, we have free will. Just know that you're consciously ignoring God's word the next time you bite into some ham.

 

[Sparkey]

Also when we discuss "the problem" can we be more specific please? I seek an end to this. If the problem is that somebody doesn't eat something I'd have to object because there can be no end to it. Let's say that I don't eat pork because I don't. But let me go and eat pork with you today. Now does that mean that I'm okay? I still don't eat lobster. So let's go and eateth us some loberstereth. But am I out of the wood yet? Are you? I say it is okay and not "unclean" for you to chew and sometimes eat your fingernails. There is no mention in the Torah that prohibits it but we are God's temple right? So many you will think that I am an eater of human flesh? Am I a cannibal? Would you be if you chewed and occasionally swallowed a fingernail?

I cannot understand what you are asking. Can you please rephrase. I am saying, as you will certainly know from the other thread basically the following:

1. The Torah indeed prohibited the eating of certain foods (for the Jew);
2. The Torah, and more specifically the food laws, were done away with by the actions of Jesus;

• You have wrongly defined the Torah. The Torah is the first five books of Moses.[/*:m:3vn9lyu5]

Can you please make an equally terse and explicit statement of your position - I cannot make sense of what you are writing.

• I am trying.[/*:m:3vn9lyu5]

Are you concerned about matters of the "health" issue?

• No.[/*:m:3vn9lyu5]

That eating pork can give you various sicknesses or can clog your arteries. I would not deny this. But the same is true of many other foods.

I submit, appealing to a clear statement from Leviticus 20, that the food laws were never specifically instituted for "health" reasons. They were instituted to make the Jew distinct from the rest of the world.

• I agree with part of your thought: The law teaches about holiness (being separate or distinct from the rest of the world.)[/*:m:3vn9lyu5]

To sum up, I disagree with your narrow definition of The Torah. I agree with what you said about teaching the Children of Israel to be Holy because He is Holy - and consider it < any difference that may remain > a mere matter of semantics and trivial to the conversation. God was teaching stubborn and unholy men to become pliable and willing to his commands and training them to be more like Him.

And now I must depart from "terse" because I also agree that the restriction that was placed on the children of the wilderness (the WILD place) does not apply to Gentiles after Paul wrote.

My only objection comes when I see somebody who assumes that because I am not like them in all ways I am not free to be me. Your liberty is the same as mine. Brothers have no authority over each other and I submit that any further argument should be taken to our Father in heaven that He may judge between thee and me.

~Sparrow

PS - I have not spoken to Fembot about some of her statements but consider my younger sister (of whom I am not ashamed to admit that I love as a brethren should) to have lots of life ahead of her.

 

[jasoncran]

Jason, JASON. It is written in the Bible. No, I am not saying we should be vegans. I like steak and eggs too much for that! :yes (the Bible allows us to be carnivores, btw)
I am simply pointing out the disobedience some people promote. Yes, we have free will. Just know that you're consciously ignoring God's word the next time you bite into some ham.

ur are even hebrew and that only applies the abramahic/ mosaic law, u are a gentile, i am hebrew but i shoud by ur legalism follow but i wont as that was done away with, pork was allowable to the gentiles see that in acts
as where do we stop with law shall i quote the scripture in acts for u i hope u dig it up, to see for ur self.

as a jew shoulfd i marry a gentile, or any other laws, circumsion is no longer needed for the act of salvation, but i strongly recommend it for male sexual health.

jason

 

[Drew]

Jason, JASON. It is written in the Bible.

No.

The Bible is not a set of timeless truths. It is an evolving story, the story of Israel and God's dealings with her. Saying that we should not eat pork "because its in the Bible" is like saying that Barack Obama is 2 feet tall just because someone showed you a picture of him as a 2 year old.

The Torah was given to the Jews at a certain point in their history. Later, as the story develops, the age of the written code comes to an end. And with that, the prohibition against eating pork ends, as do all the other elements of the written code. Jesus is clear about this, Paul is clear about this.

Fembot, I have given clear passages which demonstrate that Jesus asserts that all foods are "clean".

 

[Sparkey]

I seek an end to this. If the problem is that somebody doesn't eat something...

~Sparrow

understood <<--- thanks for that!

but we as americans or westerners or those living in a wealthy nation have a choice, those other third and fourth dont, lack of ample food supply changes one diet, if i was starving i would anything didn't kill me or wasn't human.

if we are missionary to said poor country and they offer us an unclean thing to eat shoud we refuse if we are trying to win them over. they may be insulted, not just pigs have worms, cows and chickens get diseases as well. in afghanistan i've seen a 4ft worm in a 4 yrd old whose main diet was sheep,chicken, and rice.
anything unprepared will hurt you

jason

I agree with you and would modify my dietary habits to comply with my calling to become a missionary should that calling be placed on me.

Arguing about the law doesn't help hearts. Using your liberty to remove a restriction that another person's conscience convicts them in isn't always wise. If you need instruction in the Scripture about "if a man considers it a sin ---> to that man <--- it is sin! Please PM me or open another topic, yes? Fembot is certainly free to PM me anytime (we talk occasionally). I have no worries about her refraining to eat certain things but consider it rude to continue to speak like this when she isn't here to defend or reply.

Cordially,
~Sparrowhawke

 

[Drew]

Hello Fembot and others who think that pork is Biblically prohibited in the present time:

Do you believe that Jesus is the only way to the Father? I am going to assume that your answer will be yes and that you would agree with Jesus when He says:

"No one comes to the father except by Me".

Well, why do you not then believe these things:

From Mark 7:

there is nothing outside the man which can defile him if it goes into him; but the things which proceed out of the man are what defile the man.

....If a person believes that eating pork defiles you, then that person is not agreeing with Jesus.

Also from Mark 7:

Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, 19because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" (Thus He declared (R)all foods (S)clean.)

You presumanbly take Jesus at His word when He says no one comes to the father except by Him - in other words "no one" means "no one"; it does not means "no one except Fred, Mary, Joe, Jane....."

So why do you seemingly believe that "nothing" as in " nothing outside the man which can defile him if it goes into him" means " nothing outside the man which can defile him if it goes into him, except pork;

 

[turnorburn]

This thread has taken pork to new heights..

Mark 7: 1 - Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem.
2 - And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.
3 - For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash [their] hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
4 - And [when they come] from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, [as] the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.
5 - Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
6 - He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with [their] lips, but their heart is far from me.
7 - Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.
8 - For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, [as] the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 - And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 - For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 - But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, [It is] Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; [he shall be free].
12 - And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 - Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
14 - And when he had called all the people [unto him], he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one [of you], and understand:
15 - There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
16 - If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.


If this keeps up I'll dig out information about the every day foods we eat and make a detailed list the ingredients.. :naughty

 

[jasoncran]

fembot if u think it wrong for u to eat pork then do so , i however fell nothing wrong with it, praise god for our liberity.

jason

 

[Fembot]

If this keeps up I'll dig out information about the every day foods we eat and make a detailed list the ingredients.. :naughty

I don't think you have the knowledge to know what I eat. But go ahead and post. I'm curious

 

[Sparkey]

If this keeps up I'll dig out information about the every day foods we eat and make a detailed list the ingredients.. :naughty

I don't think you have the knowledge to know what I eat. But go ahead and post. I'm curious

Hey sis! I thought you were offline!

I could guess about what you eat but I won't point anybody to the "What's for dinner" thread. (*evil grin ==> hehehhe) Ps. I've adopted you it seems. It just came outta me when I was talking to others in the thread.

Yours,
~Sparrowhawke

 

[follower of Christ]

Please point out where God says "you can now eat this filthy animal?"

Whats ASTOUNDING is that it doesnt seem to matter what proof some here are shown, they just keep ignoring it and demanding it again like it was never given (rollseyes)...

And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, having blotted out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and He has taken it out of the midst, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed principalities and powers, He mocked them in public, triumphing over them in it.
Therefore do not let anyone judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or of a new moon or of sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.
(Colossians 2:13-17 EMTV)


I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean of itself; except to him considering anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
But if your brother is grieved on account of your food, you are no longer walking according to love. Do not destroy with your food the one on behalf of whom Christ died. Therefore do not let your good be slandered. For the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
(Romans 14:14-17 EMTV)

Only the blind or illiterate could miss it...

Not eating certain meats was about them BEING UNCLEAN....this aspect has VERY plainly been REMOVED from the equation as proven in the scriptures above.

 

[follower of Christ]

Jason, JASON. It is written in the Bible. No, I am not saying we should be vegans. I like steak and eggs too much for that! :yes (the Bible allows us to be carnivores, btw)
I am simply pointing out the disobedience some people promote. Yes, we have free will. Just know that you're consciously ignoring God's word the next time you bite into some ham.

oh brother...
NO, we ARENT....
We're ignoring YOUR rejection of the facts...and your apparent desire to be UNDER law again.

And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, having blotted out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and He has taken it out of the midst, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed principalities and powers, He mocked them in public, triumphing over them in it.
Therefore do not let anyone judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or of a new moon or of sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.
(Colossians 2:13-17 EMTV)


I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean of itself; except to him considering anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
But if your brother is grieved on account of your food, you are no longer walking according to love. Do not destroy with your food the one on behalf of whom Christ died. Therefore do not let your good be slandered. For the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
(Romans 14:14-17 EMTV)

 

[follower of Christ]

Fembot, I have given clear passages which demonstrate that Jesus asserts that all foods are "clean".

The evidence is clear enough, for certain.
At a point one just as to assume that the other side has their fingers in their ears....or hands over their eyes, as it were...

 

[follower of Christ]

If this keeps up I'll dig out information about the every day foods we eat and make a detailed list the ingredients.. :naughty

I don't think you have the knowledge to know what I eat. But go ahead and post. I'm curious

3 Words....Mad....Cow....Disease.
No ingredients necessary.
You like steak and eggs....correct ?
Sure it isnt going to damage your brain ?
Not to mention OTHER contaminations present in meats...

 

[Mark62]

The verses in the NT as quoted above pretty much dispell any Biblical reasons not to eat pork.

So its really a matter of personal taste. Everything in moderation, as for me Ive eaten:

Kangaroo
Emu
Crocodile
Buffalo
Venison
and...
Pork, pork, pork...

Because Christ is described as the Lamb of God, does that mean we stop eating lamb?? What?? no more Rogan Josh!!!??? :gah

 

[jasoncran]

The verses in the NT as quoted above pretty much dispell any Biblical reasons not to eat pork.

So its really a matter of personal taste. Everything in moderation, as for me Ive eaten:

Kangaroo
Emu
Crocodile
Buffalo
Venison
and...
Pork, pork, pork...

Because Christ is described as the Lamb of God, does that mean we stop eating lamb?? What?? no more Rogan Josh!!!??? :gah

kangaroo eaten, dang it i never look at dot and the kangaroo the same again or emu as well, i've eaten turtles,gator tail, some have eaten racoons, possums ,armidillo,squirrels,goats, donkey,camels,

jason

 

[Fembot]

If this keeps up I'll dig out information about the every day foods we eat and make a detailed list the ingredients.. :naughty

I don't think you have the knowledge to know what I eat. But go ahead and post. I'm curious

3 Words....Mad....Cow....Disease.
No ingredients necessary.
You like steak and eggs....correct ?
Sure it isnt going to damage your brain ?
Not to mention OTHER contaminations present in meats...

"If this keeps up I'll dig out information about the every day foods....blah, blah, blah"

Sorry 3 words doesn't cut it. Follow through with what you said you would do. Dig up the everyday foods WE eat and make a detailed list of the ingredients (as you promised )

 

[Fembot]

If this keeps up I'll dig out information about the every day foods we eat and make a detailed list the ingredients.. :naughty

I don't think you have the knowledge to know what I eat. But go ahead and post. I'm curious

Hey sis! I thought you were offline!

I could guess about what you eat but I won't point anybody to the "What's for dinner" thread. (*evil grin ==> hehehhe) Ps. I've adopted you it seems. It just came outta me when I was talking to others in the thread.

Yours,
~Sparrowhawke

:P

 

[Fembot]

Please point out where God says "you can now eat this filthy animal?"

Whats ASTOUNDING is that it doesnt seem to matter what proof some here are shown, they just keep ignoring it and demanding it again like it was never given (rollseyes)...

And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, having blotted out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and He has taken it out of the midst, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed principalities and powers, He mocked them in public, triumphing over them in it.
Therefore do not let anyone judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or of a new moon or of sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.
(Colossians 2:13-17 EMTV)


I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean of itself; except to him considering anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
But if your brother is grieved on account of your food, you are no longer walking according to love. Do not destroy with your food the one on behalf of whom Christ died. Therefore do not let your good be slandered. For the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
(Romans 14:14-17 EMTV)

Only the blind or illiterate could miss it...

Not eating certain meats was about them BEING UNCLEAN....this aspect has VERY plainly been REMOVED from the equation as proven in the scriptures above.

You have pointed out quotes on judging and friendship. I see no where God saying IT IS NOW OK TO EAT THIS ONCE FORBIDDEN ANIMAL.


Romans 14:1-23

As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

Revelation 14:12
Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

Acts 10:14
But Peter said, “By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.â€Â

Matthew 5:18
For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

1 Peter 1:14-16
As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance, but as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, since it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.â€Â