How Much different?

Kathi said:
Yes it is a sin to be "drunk" Isaiah 29:9-14; Ephesians 5:15-18
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The Ephesians verse in it's original context and language was referring to being an alcoholic, not just to being drunk. Even though getting drunk is never recommended, there was still a difference.
 
Classik said:
How comfortable is the Holy Spirit in a drunken vessel?
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How could any of us know since the scripture never speaks of the Holy Spirit inhabiting things such as a bottle of wine?
 
th1b.taylor said:
Yes WIP. And my position on this is complex, requires a lot of study off both the scriptures and customs coupled with, "What did they know and when did they know it." Things that God knows. There is, of course, only one unforgivable sin that condemns a man but many folks know and have known that make the number two sin Homosexuality and the scale slides from there.


Growing up, dad wholesaled Cigars, Cigarettes, Pipe Tobacco, Snuff and Chewing Tobacco and there is no way I was sinning until I understood that I was pouring smoky poison into my body. At that point I stopped dipping, chewing, cigars and tossed my pipes. It took three more years for me to end the struggle with the cigs and although I come down on no one for smoking, god had convicted me that I was found in sin because of the damage I was, intentionally inflicting on the temple of God.

As I said, complex until I fully surrendered to God.
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Bill, what would you say to people living in a city where the air quality is comparable to smoking a pack of ciggs. per day? Should they move?

What would you say to people who take prescription drugs for a nervous condition compared to someone what smokes to relieve nerves?
 
Classik said:
And what specifically is your stance? Bad or good?
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I have smoked marijuana and hash in my youth and I have had my share of alcohol. I do know that it takes very little smoke from pot to significantly alter my perception of the world around me. In fact, I have smoked some that had significant impact with just one draw. I tried cigarettes for a short time but found I didn't like it and in the process learned that I did not experience a "high" from them even after smoking a few back to back. Only a headache and horrid taste in my mouth and certainly nothing that would impair my perception of reality.

I know it takes a few drinks of alcohol to begin to affect my perception and motor control. One or two drinks or beers or glasses of wine don't have much effect on me at all with the exception of Everclear or equivalent, which I avoid for that reason. It sneaks up on me too fast and so I can't control it.

So, to answer your question, good or bad? Bad when used to excess and by excess I mean to the point where it begins to affect one's perception and/or motor control.
 
Classik said:
And that is not probably talking about drunkenness. It talks about satisfaction, I presume
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Pro_31:6 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.

Now a days they hand out prescription drugs, many of which are very harmful chemicals.
 
Gary said:
Ok, this is what I believe Classik is saying:

"Whether you smoke a little or a lot, cigarettes are still dangerous."

"Whether you fornicate a little or a lot, fornication is still fornication."
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Okay, so you mean since it doesn't make a difference I might just as well do it right and smoke or fornicate a lot? Sheesh too bad I gave up smoking.

Seriously though, smoking a regular cigaret is different from smoking weed, because marijuana makes you high. Tobacco is addictive and bad for your health on the long run, but it does not impair your cognitive functions. If anything it calms your emotions a bit. A mind altering drug versus a plain unhealthy drug is a huge difference.
 
Claudya said:
Okay, so you mean since it doesn't make a difference I might just as well do it right and smoke or fornicate a lot? Sheesh too bad I gave up smoking.
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Perhaps you should read it again.


Ok, this is what I believe Classik is saying:

"Whether you smoke a little or a lot, cigarettes are still dangerous."

"Whether you fornicate a little or a lot, fornication is still fornication."
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WIP said:
See 1 Timothy 5:23
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I belief that place never promotes alcohol either. I believe it is talking about a controlled medicinal efficacy of alcohol. Alcohol is used for our medicine stuff. Other purposes are significantly out-of-the-question.
 
Obadiah said:
How could any of us know since the scripture never speaks of the Holy Spirit inhabiting things such as a bottle of wine?
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Are you not a vessel? Who is speaking of bottles?
 
Deborah13 said:
Pro_31:6 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.

Now a days they hand out prescription drugs, many of which are very harmful chemicals.
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What is the wine?
 
Deborah13 said:
Bill, what would you say to people living in a city where the air quality is comparable to smoking a pack of ciggs. per day? Should they move?

What would you say to people who take prescription drugs for a nervous condition compared to someone what smokes to relieve nerves?
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That is an easy one because God set a clear president in the scriptures. Not only with the Tower of Bable but it is clearest there, God never wanted us to live in the hovels that cities create where people grow closer and closer t one another and conspire with one another to do evil. Many will scream that leaving the city is easier said than done but that is because they have not fully surrendered their lives to God, not even yet to the point of real trust. I know one other family that can but does not save for the future but instead, fully relying on God, spends their vacation time and money to travel to Africa to evangelize.

Deeter and I always spent at least half of our vacations building and creating VBS projects and the other halves teaching the same. My pastor and his wife do the Africa thing and in both cases we determined to live for God alone and if one does that, they do not lay up for retirement because god has promised to care for those of us that devote ourselves to Him and to His service. Except one moves to China I'm not sure the pollution is that bad but I can be wrong.

And the second, from Vietnam I was that person. My dad was also that person having fought the Pacific Theatre from the beginning through two years of occupation. Dad, except he repented just before he passed, went to Hell and never trusted God. I on the other hand did January 1, 1990 and God took my cigarettes at the same time He took the joints, nose candy, pills, injections and booze. That's a lot of habits to break, all at once.

Some people, on the other hand have chemical imbalances of the brain they deal with and need their meds. I, for one, do not awaken the whole household shepherding them into a Foxhole that lives only in my dreams if I take that one pill before I go to bed at night. This is the thorn my LORD has given me to stretch and to grow me stronger with and I do not pretend to be the only person in the world God has permitted to be tested thus. This seocd group of people need love and to be touched with friendship.

Hope that makes sense to you.
 
Gary said:
If drinking is truly a sin, do you really believe the Holy Spirit would inhabit something sinful?
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Love it Gary!

And that from a recovering alcoholic. I stay away from the sauce because I do not control it, it controls me if I drink it but the Burbon is not at fault, I am.
 
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