How to Find False Prophets Using Scripture

[Mitspa]

be nice felix! Reba dropped in to let us know that she is watching! I have had some stripes from her rod, thats why I am such a nice fellow now. lol

 

[felix]

Yes I agree some do not know what they are posting. lol

The truth of love is known in the Cross, it is written in the Person of My Lord Jesus. It is defined in many scriptures.
I personally like the way Paul descibes in in 1 Cor 13. But I must say that John was the "disciple in whom Jesus loved" I find great comfort and confidence in His gospel and epistles.

I also am the disciple in whom Jesus loves. Now some would say that is pride? But His love humbles a believer, and is without doubt the most important thing they have, so it is with great humility I carry this title. It is when we can give this love to others that we find true life. Abundant life is when we know we are loved and we dared to love others as He loves us. All the law is fulfilled in this. Faith working by love!

Yes, the truth of love is in Christ (but not written - nothing in Scripture says that).

When you say, "I also am the disciple in whom Jesus loves", which definition do you use? American English?

Sorry, Jesus is not American, neither did He use American English nor lived an American lifestyle:

Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.
Luke 14:27 And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.
Luke 14:33 So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple.

 

[felix]

be nice felix! Reba dropped in to let us know that she is watching! I have had some stripes from her rod, thats why I am such a nice fellow now. lol

I am coming with a whip to beat people who defile the temple of God and pollute it.

 

[reba]

Sounds like a 'works' to me Felix and as far as I can figure Christ alone was able to complete the law.... He shed His blood for me and you so when the Father looks on He sees us through the veil of the Lamb of God who took the sins of the world... I do my utmost to obey because I love the Lord who first loved me... not from fear..

 

[Mitspa]

I am coming with a whip to beat people who defile the temple of God and pollute it.

Lol you are? who are you? Why not start with me? Gods beloved and chosen servant.

 

[reba]

I am hoping these pleasant snarks are being posted in jest...

 

[Mitspa]

Sounds like a 'works' to me Felix and as far as I can figure Christ alone was able to complete the law.... He shed His blood for me and you so when the Father looks on He sees us through the veil of the Lamb of God who took the sins of the world... I do my utmost to obey because I love the Lord who first loved me... not from fear..

You better be careful reba! I think he has some kind of stick or something? lol

 

[Mitspa]

I am hoping these pleasant snarks are being posted in jest...

Of course it has to be joke! The guy said he had a whip and was going to start spanking people? lol

 

[felix]

Sounds like a 'works' to me Felix and as far as I can figure Christ alone was able to complete the law.... He shed His blood for me and you so when the Father looks on He sees us through the veil of the Lamb of God who took the sins of the world... I do my utmost to obey because I love the Lord who first loved me... not from fear..

Yes, the work of the law is very different from the righteous works Christ expects (fruits of the Spirit).

You will not understand this until you discerned the difference between Paul and James.

(Jas 2:24) Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

James clearly mentions it is works. Luther, who doesn't like this view (as it mostly sides with Catholics, He decided to rip off half the bible which called the Luther canon which doesn't have books from Hebrews to Revelation - as all these teaches works).

• (Gal 2:16) Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
• (Rom 3:28) Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

But, Paul in all his letters mentions only faith and not works.

Sounds contradicting? Actually no, if you are interesting in going deep into the text to discern it.

Both Paul and James uses the very same example and the very same Bible verse to prove their point.

Context of "faith" by Paul & James (using Gen 15:6)

• (Rom 4:2-5) For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath [whereof] to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
• (Jas 2:21-24) Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

How is that, both Authors using the same example and yet one says faith with works and their other says no works but faith. The book of Romans (actually, Paul in all his letters e.g, Rom chapters 2, 3; Gal 2:16; Phil 3:9) refers to "works" as "works of the law". You can find this yourself by reading the entire letter (or atleast the previous and after chapters). The faith mentioned by Paul is same as the ”living faith” mentioned by James using the above Abraham example mentioned by both authors. Paul is targeting different set of audience where he had to counter Jews who insist of the law.

It is also important what "works" James is speaking about:

The work James mentioned as an example:
(Jas 2:15-16) If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be [ye] warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what [doth it] profit?

Which is exactly what Christ said:

• (Matt 7:19) Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them
• (Matt 25:31-46) … And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took [thee] in? or naked, and clothed [thee]? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Can anyone reject Matt 7:19 and Matt 25:31-46 which are the words of Christ as works? Looks like Christ Himself is asking us do works, otherwise, we will be cast into fire. John the baptist also preached the same in Luke 3:9-11.

Unless we properly differentiate "works of the law which is our righteousness" (which are not required), from the "righteous works which is His righteousness" (which is required for our salvation), we will not be able to discern this works vs faith differences and you might easily fall into faith only trap without having His righteousness. It is true our righteousness are filthy rags as in Isa 64:6- which is why Christ had come to reveal His righteousness and teach us what He expects. How long are we going to say that our righteousness are filthy rags and not ready to follow His sermon on mount to seek and follow His righteousness?

 

[Guest]

Felix, did Jesus actually hit the money changers with the whip in the temple? No.
Hitler didn't use whips, rather he starved people slowly. He was also catholic, so that explains a lot.

 

[felix]

Felix, did Jesus actually hit the money changers with the whip in the temple? No.
Hitler didn't use whips, rather he starved people slowly. He was also catholic, so that explains a lot.

Bible says, yes He did use it to drive them away.

John 2:13 Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
John 2:14 And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers doing business.
John 2:15 When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers' money and overturned the tables.
John 2:16 And He said to those who sold doves, "Take these things away! Do not make My Father's house a house of merchandise!"
John 2:17 Then His disciples remembered that it was written, [ "Zeal for Your house] [ has eaten][ Me up."]

 

[Guest]

Bible says, yes He did use it to drive them away.

But he didn't use the whip to hit people, why was he driving them away felix?

 

[Mitspa]

So again we are drawn away from the simplicty of Christ?
Faith working by love. Walk in the spirit and you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh. So felix only seems to agree with the truth long enough to take a few scriptures out of context to try and "whip" someone. No our confidence is in that we know the Love God has for us, and we love others as we are loved.
For this is the Fathers commandments that we believe and love as He gave commandment. This is our obedience.
And this is the confidence we have in Him, as He is so are we in this world.

For love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit. If we have this witness we have confidence in the day of judgment.

No whips needed. It is the goodness of God that leads to repentance. For those who fear, have not been made perfect in love.

 

[felix]

But he didn't use the whip to hit people, why was he driving them away felix?

John 2:15 When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers' money and overturned the tables.

You want a literal translation?

John 2:15 and having made a whip of small cords, he put all forth out of the temple, also the sheep, and the oxen; and of the money-changers he poured out the coins, and the tables he overthrew, (YLT)

Yes, He did.

 

[Mitspa]

John 2:15 When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers' money and overturned the tables.

You want a literal translation?

John 2:15 and having made a whip of small cords, he put all forth out of the temple, also the sheep, and the oxen; and of the money-changers he poured out the coins, and the tables he overthrew, (YLT)

Yes, He did.

Yes Jesus did that to the religious folks like the pharisees who went around judging and condemning others.

You are not Jesus but remind me more of the other guys.

Mt. 12:7 But if ye had known what this means "I will have mercy, and not sacrifice" you would not have condemned the guiltless

 

[Guest]

You want a literal translation?

John 2:15 and having made a whip of small cords, he put all forth out of the temple, also the sheep, and the oxen; and of the money-changers he poured out the coins, and the tables he overthrew, (YLT)

Yes, He did.

No he didn't. Where does it say that Jesus whips the people on the flesh? It says 'having made a whip' and 'put all forth'..putting words into God's mouth are we?

 

[felix]

Yes Jesus did that to the religious folks like the pharisees who went around judging and condemning others.

You are not Jesus but remind me more of the other guys.

Mt. 12:7 But if ye had known what this means "I will have mercy, and not sacrifice" you would not have condemned the guiltless

Neither did I say I am Jesus nor I posted anything that I have said. I posted what Jesus Himself did.

 

[felix]

No he didn't. Where does it say that Jesus whips the people on the flesh? It says 'having made a whip' and 'put all forth'..putting words into God's mouth are we?

The true Jesus Christ who I worship will:

• Feeds the birds with human flesh (Rev 19:17-18)
• Curses cities and towns (Luke 10:13)
• Make the body feed with worms (Acts 12:23)
• Destroys fornicators (1Cor 3:16-17)
• Hates people like Easu (Rom 9:13)
• Kill children (Rev 2:21-23)
• Vomit fake Christians (Rev 3:15-16)

I do not know the puppy little ever loving Jesus you are talking about.

 

[Mitspa]

I am coming with a whip to beat people who defile the temple of God and pollute it.

I want all to see what sort of person assumes the right to beat and whip other believers? Paul wrote to such people.
Rom 2:4-5 Or despisest thou the riches of His goodness amd forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that it is the goodness of God that leadeth to repentance? 5 But after the hardness and impenitent of your own heart, you store up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath.

You see it is those who deny Gods mercy that will be shown no mercy. But those who rejoice in Gods mercy have overcome all judgment.

 

[Guest]

The true Jesus Christ who I worship will:

• Feeds the birds with human flesh (Rev 19:17-18)
• Curses cities and towns (Luke 10:13)
• Make the body feed with worms (Acts 12:23)
• Destroys fornicators (1Cor 3:16-17)
• Hates people like Easu (Rom 9:13)
• Kill children (Rev 2:21-23)
• Vomit fake Christians (Rev 3:15-16)

I do not know the puppy little ever loving Jesus you are talking about.

The true Jesus Christ who I worship judges false prophets and then releases them into the pit of hell with the devil.