How to walk by the spirit.

[Corinth77777]

Galatians 5:1-5
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

That did not answer the question either

 

[Corinth77777]

Peterlag7 You basically said you were on a higher level...lol

That didn't come across well!

 

[Free]

I don't see the word water mentioned in Romans

It doesn't need to be. Baptism was done with water; that is what it is, unless something in the context indicates otherwise.

Act 8:36 And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?”
Act 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.
Act 8:39 And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing. (ESV)

Act 10:47 “Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”
Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days. (ESV)

1Pe 3:20 because they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.
1Pe 3:21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, (ESV)

Baptism never stopped.

and I am one of the most knowledgeable guys on the planet concerning the subject of the resurrected Christ Jesus. You keep calling me an expert and a scholar and I never said any such thing.

Apart from your explicit claims to be an expert, which hawkman has provided, claiming to be "one of the most knowledgeable guys on the planet concerning the subject of the resurrected Christ Jesus," is an implicit claim to be an expert.

And if you want to talk about John 1:1. Then this is how I see it...

Jesus Christ is not a lexical definition of logos. The verse does not say "In the beginning was Jesus."

No one is making that claim. It is that the Word became flesh in the person of the Son, named Jesus.

The "Word" is not synonymous with Jesus, or even the "Messiah." The word logos in John 1:1 refers to God's creative self-expression... His reason, purpose and plans, especially as they are brought into action. It refers to God's self-expression or communication of Himself. This has come to pass through His creation and especially the heavens. It has come through the spoken word of the prophets and through Scripture. Most notably it has come into being through His Son. The logos is the expression of God and is His communication of Himself just as a "word" is an outward expression of a person's thoughts. This outward expression of God has now occurred through His Son and thus it's perfectly understandable why Jesus is called the "Word." Jesus is an outward expression of God's reason, wisdom, purpose and plan. For the same reason we call revelation "a word from God" and the Bible "the Word of God."

Yet, John 1:1a means that when the beginning began, the Word was already in existence. In other words, the Word is eternal. John 1:1b means that the Word was in intimate, personal union and communion with God. That does not apply to "purpose and plans," but to persons. Then we see in 1:1c that the Word is divine in nature. Can "purpose and plans" be said to actually be in nature God? Are your words actually human in the same sense that you are human?

We should look at John 1:2, where it is a concise repeat of verse 1. And in verse 3, we see that all things were made through the Word, which again supports the idea that the Word is uncreated and eternal. Why is all that important? Because of the rest of the context:

Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. (ESV)

Who is the "He" spoken of? Clearly it is the Son, Jesus. This is important because of the clear claim that "the world was made through him," that is, through the Son. There is simply no way around this. John clearly makes the case that the Word is uncreated and eternal, and was in an interpersonal relationship with God, and was God in nature. It is this Word through which "without him was not any thing made that was made."

Joh 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known. (ESV)

Here John concludes his description of the Son by summing all the previous verses. Most ancient evidence, and the best manuscripts, support the reading "God only begotten," not that it matters since that is what John has already stated.

If we understand that the logos is God's expression... His plan, purpose, reason and wisdom. Then it is clear they were with Him "in the beginning." Scripture says God's wisdom was "from the beginning" and it was common in Hebrew writing to personify a concept such as wisdom. The fact that the logos "became" flesh shows it did not exist that way before. There is no pre-existence for Jesus in this verse other than his figurative "existence" as the plan, purpose or wisdom of God for the salvation of man. The same is true with the "word" in writing. It had no literal pre-existence as a "spirit-book" somehow in eternity past, but came into being as God gave the revelation to people and they wrote it down.

There is no preexistence of Jesus, per se, since that is the name given to the humanity of the Son of God, but the preexistence of the Son of God, known also as the Word, is without question. Salvation depends on this being the case, which is precisely why John's whole epilogue is about who Jesus is--both divine and human.

His epilogue sets the stage for the rest of his gospel and all that he says about Jesus, which is why his gospel is filled with implicit and explicit claims to the divine nature of Jesus.

 

[Peterlag7]

It doesn't need to be. Baptism was done with water; that is what it is, unless something in the context indicates otherwise.

Act 8:36 And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?”
Act 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.
Act 8:39 And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing. (ESV)

Act 10:47 “Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”
Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days. (ESV)

1Pe 3:20 because they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.
1Pe 3:21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, (ESV)

Baptism never stopped.


Apart from your explicit claims to be an expert, which hawkman has provided, claiming to be "one of the most knowledgeable guys on the planet concerning the subject of the resurrected Christ Jesus," is an implicit claim to be an expert.


No one is making that claim. It is that the Word became flesh in the person of the Son, named Jesus.


Yet, John 1:1a means that when the beginning began, the Word was already in existence. In other words, the Word is eternal. John 1:1b means that the Word was in intimate, personal union and communion with God. That does not apply to "purpose and plans," but to persons. Then we see in 1:1c that the Word is divine in nature. Can "purpose and plans" be said to actually be in nature God? Are your words actually human in the same sense that you are human?

We should look at John 1:2, where it is a concise repeat of verse 1. And in verse 3, we see that all things were made through the Word, which again supports the idea that the Word is uncreated and eternal. Why is all that important? Because of the rest of the context:

Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. (ESV)

Who is the "He" spoken of? Clearly it is the Son, Jesus. This is important because of the clear claim that "the world was made through him," that is, through the Son. There is simply no way around this. John clearly makes the case that the Word is uncreated and eternal, and was in an interpersonal relationship with God, and was God in nature. It is this Word through which "without him was not any thing made that was made."

Joh 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known. (ESV)

Here John concludes his description of the Son by summing all the previous verses. Most ancient evidence, and the best manuscripts, support the reading "God only begotten," not that it matters since that is what John has already stated.


There is no preexistence of Jesus, per se, since that is the name given to the humanity of the Son of God, but the preexistence of the Son of God, known also as the Word, is without question. Salvation depends on this being the case, which is precisely why John's whole epilogue is about who Jesus is--both divine and human.

His epilogue sets the stage for the rest of his gospel and all that he says about Jesus, which is why his gospel is filled with implicit and explicit claims to the divine nature of Jesus.

Yeah, I mentioned this when I first posted about water...

From the habit of tradition, and only for a short period of time, a small handful of people were baptized with water into the New Testament, but never again afterwards.

 

[Peterlag7]

Peterlag7 You basically said you were on a higher level...lol

That didn't come across well!

If being one of the most knowledgeable guys on the planet concerning the resurrected Christ Jesus is coming across as being on a higher level. Then I'm on a higher level.

 

[Peterlag7]

That did not answer the question either

What was the question? You're looking for the Law and there is none in Scripture concerning the Christian. None.

 

[Peterlag7]

Yes that is true... I'm an expert on the New Testament (the Epistles) and that means not an expert on the Bible or The Old Testament, or the Gospels, or that I'm a Bible scholar.

 

[Peterlag7]

See post #316. Your original post about your claim to be a bible expert is embedded in there at the beginning.

I see your point. I meant an expert on my field that I study which is the New Testament meaning the Epistles.

 

[hawkman]

Peterlag7 , we are paying attention to what you say in your posts about your expertise .
We are more than willing to engage and talk with you even if you are not an expert , but you have been laying in on thick and we will hold your feet to the fire so to speak . I would ask you how do you know when you reach the expert level in Bible knowledge ? Just curious .

What kind of a person would tell a Bible expert like me that I don't know the Scriptures?

I do not evade questions since I'm an expert on the New Testament and have no reason to fear questions.

I'm an expert on the New Testament (the Epistles) and that means not an expert on the Bible or The Old Testament, or the Gospels, or that I'm a Bible scholar.

Is it all the Epistles , Pauline and non-Pauline ?

 

[hawkman]

Like I said we are reading your posts , but are you reading our replies to you .

You're looking for the Law and there is none in Scripture concerning the Christian. None.

Go read my reply and see if it rings any bells with you to how the law works now . You are welcome to refute what I say in post #347 . You have not replied to it .

 

[Corinth77777]

If being one of the most knowledgeable guys on the planet concerning the resurrected Christ Jesus is coming across as being on a higher level. Then I'm on a higher level.

Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,” Cor 13

Proverbs 27:2
Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.

 

[Corinth77777]

Yes that is true... I'm an expert on the New Testament (the Epistles) and that means not an expert on the Bible or The Old Testament, or the Gospels, or that I'm a Bible scholar.

There were Scholars and experts too, so to speak, that were experts when they believed the world was flat.

According to a piece in this article below on ultradispensationist I would say one can be an experts on unbiblical information.

What is ultra-dispensationalism? | GotQuestions.org

What is ultra-dispensationalism? What is an ultradispensationalist / hyperdispensationalist? Is ultradispensationalism / hyperdispensationalism biblical?

www.gotquestions.org

E.W. Bullinger who you called a scholar is an ultradispensationist.

 

[Tenchi]

There was no Grace during the Law administration and there's no Law in the Grace administration.

No, there was much divine grace extended in the OT. God called to His people again and again to turn from their sin, giving much opportunity for repentance, before He punished them with bondage to other nations. And the "state of grace" in which the New Covenant believer stands is by no means antinomianism. God's Moral Law is as binding upon the New Covenant child of God as upon the Old Covenant Chosen People of God. Only the OT laws of sacrifice/ceremony and separation are done away with.

 

[Tenchi]

I am one of the most knowledgeable guys on the planet concerning the subject of the resurrected Christ Jesus.

And how, exactly, would you know this? Do you know all of the most knowledgeable people on the planet concerning the subject of the resurrected Jesus Christ and are able to compare your knowledge to theirs? I very much doubt it. But you'd have to have this knowledge in order to make the claim you have above.

I wonder how much of your thinking works in this hyperbolic way...

 

[Tenchi]

That's fine... because Jesus Christ is still not God.

And here you demonstrate that, whatever you like to claim, you absolutely are NOT among the most knowledgeable people on the planet concerning the resurrected Jesus Christ. But you may possibly be among the most anti-Christ proponents on the planet...

 

[Tenchi]

I was never water baptized. It serves no purpose.

Ooo, boy.

- You don't believe Jesus is God incarnate.

1 Timothy 6:14-16
14 that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15 which He will bring about at the proper time—He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
16 who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

Titus 2:13
13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

Matthew 1:21-23
21 She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.”
22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:
23 “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (which means, God with us).

- You're a hyper-Dispensationalist.

See Covenantal Theology.

- You're a rejector of the water baptism Jesus commanded.

Matthew 28:19
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Matthew 3:13-17
13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, to be baptized by him.
14 John would have prevented him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”
15 But Jesus answered him, “Let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he consented.
16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him;
17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

Acts 2:38
38 Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 8:35-36
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this Scripture he told him the good news about Jesus.
36 And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?”

Acts 8:38
38 And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.

- You believe you're among the most knowledgeable concerning the resurrected Christ but you're no Bible scholar.

See above.

Yikes.

 

[Free]

Yeah, I mentioned this when I first posted about water...

From the habit of tradition, and only for a short period of time, a small handful of people were baptized with water into the New Testament, but never again afterwards.

Why have you again provided only an extremely short reply that doesn't address anything I posted? You make claims but provide no evidence, don't bother to address arguments or passages of Scripture that clearly are against your position, and instead just repeat what you believe. That is a very disrespectful form of discussion.

What you continue to fail to address are the clear statements about people getting baptized in water by Jesus's disciples. They started baptizing people in water during his ministry, were commanded by him to continue baptizing when making disciples of all nations, and then obeyed by continuing to baptize in water. Why would they suddenly just stop?

Act 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went outside the gate to the riverside, where we supposed there was a place of prayer, and we sat down and spoke to the women who had come together.
Act 16:14 One who heard us was a woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple goods, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul.
Act 16:15 And after she was baptized, and her household as well, she urged us, saying, “If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come to my house and stay.” And she prevailed upon us.
...
Act 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds; and he was baptized at once, he and all his family. (ESV)

Act 22:16 And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’ (ESV)

Each of these strongly imply water baptism. It's important to note that Acts 16 occurred around AD 49.

Eph 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call—
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. (ESV)

"One baptism," which is water baptism, that shows one is a part of the body of Christ.

Again, everything in the NT that speaks of baptism, unless there is some other obvious context, points to water baptism. There is not only nothing to indicate that water baptism stopped, but that it continued, as I previously pointed out with quotes from the Didache, which you didn't address.

 

[Peterlag7]

Why have you again provided only an extremely short reply that doesn't address anything I posted? You make claims but provide no evidence, don't bother to address arguments or passages of Scripture that clearly are against your position, and instead just repeat what you believe. That is a very disrespectful form of discussion.

What you continue to fail to address are the clear statements about people getting baptized in water by Jesus's disciples. They started baptizing people in water during his ministry, were commanded by him to continue baptizing when making disciples of all nations, and then obeyed by continuing to baptize in water. Why would they suddenly just stop?

Act 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went outside the gate to the riverside, where we supposed there was a place of prayer, and we sat down and spoke to the women who had come together.
Act 16:14 One who heard us was a woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple goods, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul.
Act 16:15 And after she was baptized, and her household as well, she urged us, saying, “If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come to my house and stay.” And she prevailed upon us.
...
Act 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds; and he was baptized at once, he and all his family. (ESV)

Act 22:16 And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’ (ESV)

Each of these strongly imply water baptism. It's important to note that Acts 16 occurred around AD 49.

Eph 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call—
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. (ESV)

"One baptism," which is water baptism, that shows one is a part of the body of Christ.

Again, everything in the NT that speaks of baptism, unless there is some other obvious context, points to water baptism. There is not only nothing to indicate that water baptism stopped, but that it continued, as I previously pointed out with quotes from the Didache, which you didn't address.

Why have you again provided only an extremely short reply that doesn't address anything I posted? You make claims but provide no evidence, don't bother to address arguments or passages of Scripture that clearly are against your position, and instead just repeat what you believe. That is a very disrespectful form of discussion.
I can work with this so much easier since you have everything on one page.
What you continue to fail to address are the clear statements about people getting baptized in water by Jesus's disciples. They started baptizing people in water during his ministry, were commanded by him to continue baptizing when making disciples of all nations, and then obeyed by continuing to baptize in water. Why would they suddenly just stop?
You have this concept stuck in your mind that baptism means water. It does not. It means to immerse, which means to put something or someone under a liquid or to become completely involved in something. I see the Epistles using it to immerse in Jesus Christ, which has nothing to do with a liquid. John in the Gospels before Jesus was resurrected used it regarding a liquid, but the Epistles do not. Bullinger writes "The difference lies not in the Baptism, but in the relation thereof to Jesus Christ. By Baptism therefore we must understand an immersion whose design like that of the Levitical washing and purification was united with the washing away of sin." E. W. Bullinger., A Critical Lexicon and Concordance to the English and Greek New Testament: (London: Samuel Bagster & Sons, 1975), p. 80.
Act 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went outside the gate to the riverside, where we supposed there was a place of prayer, and we sat down and spoke to the women who had come together.
Act 16:14 One who heard us was a woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple goods, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul.
Act 16:15 And after she was baptized, and her household as well, she urged us, saying, “If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come to my house and stay.” And she prevailed upon us.
It does not mention water.
.Act 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds; and he was baptized at once, he and all his family. (ESV)
It does not mention water.
Act 22:16 And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’ (ESV)
Not with water.
Each of these strongly imply water baptism. It's important to note that Acts 16 occurred around AD 49.
I do not see water mentioned. I see Jesus Christ being mentioned or in the name of the Lord.
Eph 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call—
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Does not mention water.
Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. (ESV)
"One baptism," which is water baptism, that shows one is a part of the body of Christ.
Does not mention water. You mention water. The Epistles do not.
Again, everything in the NT that speaks of baptism, unless there is some other obvious context, points to water baptism. There is not only nothing to indicate that water baptism stopped, but that it continued, as I previously pointed out with quotes from the Didache, which you didn't address.
I hope we are communicating better now that you put everything on the same page.

 

[Peterlag7]

Ooo, boy.

- You don't believe Jesus is God incarnate.

1 Timothy 6:14-16
14 that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15 which He will bring about at the proper time—He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
16 who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

Titus 2:13
13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

Matthew 1:21-23
21 She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.”
22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:
23 “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (which means, God with us).

- You're a hyper-Dispensationalist.

See Covenantal Theology.

- You're a rejector of the water baptism Jesus commanded.

Matthew 28:19
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Matthew 3:13-17
13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, to be baptized by him.
14 John would have prevented him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”
15 But Jesus answered him, “Let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he consented.
16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him;
17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

Acts 2:38
38 Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 8:35-36
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this Scripture he told him the good news about Jesus.
36 And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?”

Acts 8:38
38 And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.

- You believe you're among the most knowledgeable concerning the resurrected Christ but you're no Bible scholar.

See above.

Yikes.

Titus is saying God and Savior, Christ Jesus. It does not say God who is our Savior, Christ Jesus.
Titus 2:13
13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

 

[Peterlag7]

And here you demonstrate that, whatever you like to claim, you absolutely are NOT among the most knowledgeable people on the planet concerning the resurrected Jesus Christ. But you may possibly be among the most anti-Christ proponents on the planet...

The Bible says in many verses that there is only one God and “God” does not have a God. We read in Isaiah 44:6 “…there is no God besides me” and Ephesians 4:6 says there is “one God and Father of all, who is over all.” Jesus has a God in contrast to “God” who alone is God and does not have a God. Jesus spoke about his God after the resurrection to Mary Magdalene, saying “…I ascend to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God” (John 20:17). Jesus still called God “my God” after his ascension into heaven when he was standing at the right hand of God.

There are also verses in the New Testament that clearly speak of “God” being the“God” of Jesus Christ. Romans 15:6 says “...you can, with one mouth, glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.” 2 Corinthians 1:3, Ephesians 1:3, and 1 Peter 1:3 all say “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.” So the “one God and Father” (Ephesians 4:6) is the God of Jesus Christ. The “one God” of the Bible never says He has a God because He is God, the Father, the Creator, “the Most High God” and He has no equals. Jesus is not “God” because he's a man, the last Adam, the created Son of God, and the God of Jesus is God the Father.

And here you demonstrate that, whatever you like to claim, you absolutely are NOT among the most knowledgeable people on the planet concerning the resurrected Jesus Christ. But you may possibly be among the most anti-Christ proponents on the planet...