Iam planning to commit suicide.Can you see God's purpose in suicide?

[Life after death]

Jesus told us the answer but you don’t like it, right? If you fail to forgive others, not only are your future sins NOT already forgiven (no where in scripture) but PAST SINS are NO LONGER FORGIVEN. It would be best if you asked God because I already know and see to it that I obey Jesus’ teaching if for no other reason than I want my sins forgiven.

What if we refuse to forgive others in the future? Does that matter at all?

Thank you for raising it. It is true the bible say what you stated. This is what happened to me lately.
since my suffering made me so vulnerable.
People abuse me and mistreat me. This happened to me every day. And at some points I did these to a few people who abused me and degraded me the most.

I mentioned Matthew 18:18. Pray to God to punish them back twice as hard and as pain ful and as degrading as they did to me. Because that is the only thing I can do. I can't do to them what they did to me. Because that would obviously be a sin. But when they see you don't respond like other people. They take advantage of your silence to abuse you even more. So I sent a prayer to God based on Matthew 18:18. for them To reap it in twofold. I don't do this mostly but a couple of times or so when it became extremely painful to tolerate.

And when I came to pray to God I knew I had to forgive them and I said I have forgiven them. But I still know God will punish them back. Because the two are different. I don't regret saying those words against them. I already said it and I can't undo it now. But I have forgiven them. Do you think that can be considered as forgiveness?

 

[for_his_glory]

Thank you for raising it. It is true the bible say what you stated. This is what happened to me lately.
since my suffering made me so vulnerable.
People abuse me and mistreat me. This happened to me every day. And at some points I did these to a few people who abused me and degraded me the most.

I mentioned Matthew 18:18. Pray to God to punish them back twice as hard and as pain ful and as degrading as they did to me. Because that is the only thing I can do. I can't do to them what they did to me. Because that would obviously be a sin. But when they see you don't respond like other people. They take advantage of your silence to abuse you even more. So I sent a prayer to God based on Matthew 18:18. for them To reap it in twofold. I don't do this mostly but a couple of times or so when it became extremely painful to tolerate.

And when I came to pray to God I knew I had to forgive them and I said I have forgiven them. But I still know God will punish them back. Because the two are different. I don't regret saying those words against them. I already said it and I can't undo it now. But I have forgiven them. Do you think that can be considered as forgiveness?

Forgiveness also carries with it loving and praying for your enemies, not praying that they will be doubled punish, but that they will come to the Lord.

Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
Mat 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

 

[citrus]

Trust has to be earned. You can forgive people, but it doesn't mean you have to let them cross your boundaries and forget. It is precaution to not forget and healthy. For example, I had a friend betray me in Jr high. She went to her other friends and out loud said, "I don't even know why I hang out with her. Basically, saying she is not really my friend I'm a lover. She wanted me to feel bad, but I thought you know she doesn't know what she did. She must have things she needs to work on herself and wants popularity over true friendship. Thst isn't going to serve her well in the future so I kinda potty her. Because the people she is trying to win over are the very ones that will hurt her. She wants me to be deviated, but I'm not because I know God loves me and she doesn't know Jesus personally. Did I continue to be nice to her even though she did that? Yes. Did I discontinue to guard my heart like the bible says? Yes. If I didn't have a deep relationship with God maybe them bullying me would result in suicide, but that is not God's plan. He must be the most important relationship and we must grow in him to even develop ourselves. God changes us and we look back and say wow, God gave me wisdom in a time of rejection. If I hadn't had that things could have changed and I would have not had the blessed relationships and good experiences I have today. I would have missed out and if I tried to be like them and fit in my heart would not be right and my future not restored. God must be our first love. Our identity is in him. Have you ever heard, "that rejection is your protection?" We all have self talk. How great was my self talk in the dark times. I could have felt, everyone will reject me. However, I just thought humbly that she dud not know what she did and the hurt she is going to feel by trying to fit in. Now I have friends that don't reject me. How a person treats you is not where your identity lays. You grow in your identity. If I would have not had that then I would have never been where I am today. I don't want to be apart of the spider web they have created. It is fickle. I have a life. I have friends now. I have learned to guard my heart and also recognize it is spiritual warfare in the mind. He prepares me at a first in the mist of my enemies. I think it is okay to feel good about that, buy also still have sympathy and love and forgiveness. That person needs forgiveness, but does that make me hastily jump back and hang out with them, no. Trust is earned. We can forgive without forgetting. It is how we can move on in life. It is healthy boundaries.

 

[citrus]

I don't know why auto correct put *lover* sort about that. Hope that didn't confuse anyone. That is weird.

 

[citrus]

Sorry I don't know how to edit. Potty is meant to read, *pitty* good grief it picks the worst words. I deeply apologize for all the mistakes.

 

[citrus]

First is *feast* I'm not the best st grammar, but auto correct sucks. Hopefully it is readable.

 

[Life after death]

Forgiveness also carries with it loving and praying for your enemies, not praying that they will be doubled punish, but that they will come to the Lord.

Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
Mat 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

That is correct it was better If I didn't do it to them. But can't I now forgive them. Knowing that they will what they saw.
I can change that now.But from now on I will do every thing not to curse anybody any more. So is this full forgiveness? How do you think God see it?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Thank you for raising it. It is true the bible say what you stated. This is what happened to me lately.
since my suffering made me so vulnerable.
People abuse me and mistreat me. This happened to me every day. And at some points I did these to a few people who abused me and degraded me the most.

I mentioned Matthew 18:18. Pray to God to punish them back twice as hard and as pain ful and as degrading as they did to me. Because that is the only thing I can do. I can't do to them what they did to me. Because that would obviously be a sin. But when they see you don't respond like other people. They take advantage of your silence to abuse you even more. So I sent a prayer to God based on Matthew 18:18. for them To reap it in twofold. I don't do this mostly but a couple of times or so when it became extremely painful to tolerate.

And when I came to pray to God I knew I had to forgive them and I said I have forgiven them. But I still know God will punish them back. Because the two are different. I don't regret saying those words against them. I already said it and I can't undo it now. But I have forgiven them. Do you think that can be considered as forgiveness?

David prayed that God would avenge his wrong. God said vengeance is his. In Revelation the dead ask God to avenge their wrongful deaths. They were told to
wait not pray the perpetrators get saved.

So I say both have their place. The higher ground is asking God to forgive them as Jesus did (which God in justice didn’t) and do good as you can as Jesus suggested. But asking the Judge of all the Earth for justice is ok.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

That is correct it was better If I didn't do it to them. But can't I now forgive them. Knowing that they will what they saw.
I can change that now.But from now on I will do every thing not to curse anybody any more. So is this full forgiveness? How do you think God see it?

As you work towards full forgiveness everything counts.

 

[for_his_glory]

That is correct it was better If I didn't do it to them. But can't I now forgive them. Knowing that they will what they saw.
I can change that now.But from now on I will do every thing not to curse anybody any more. So is this full forgiveness? How do you think God see it?

It's when we can totally forgive and then move away and put it in the past as we remember it no more like Jesus does when we ask for forgiveness.

 

[Jasongab]

I apologise for my earlier comment but I really have no issues forgiving others except maybe myself (perhaps because I goes to church every week to a place which preaches forgiveness and total surrender to God)

But I suppose if someone gives you HIV or someone is like Hitler killing millions, they can be very hard to forgive.

This video has little to do with Christianity. Just a random video I found.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I apologise for my earlier comment but I really have no issues forgiving others except maybe myself (perhaps because I goes to church every week to a place which preaches forgiveness and total surrender to God)

But I suppose if someone gives you HIV or someone is like Hitler killing millions, they can be very hard to forgive.

This video has little to do with Christianity. Just a random video I found.

Just a question, does your church encourage everyone every week to totally surrender? I ask because now and again our church does this singing “I surrender all” and when I asked one sister how she can “surrender all” each time and it be true, she responded that she surrenders something new each time. That she therefore never surrendered ALL but keeps something back to surrender next time didn’t occur to her.

 

[Jasongab]

Just a question, does your church encourage everyone every week to totally surrender? I ask because now and again our church does this singing “I surrender all” and when I asked one sister how she can “surrender all” each time and it be true, she responded that she surrenders something new each time. That she therefore never surrendered ALL but keeps something back to surrender next time didn’t occur to her.

Not every week.

Anyway, I have no issue with it. I am a human so I will still sin from time to time. Even if I say I will repent, I may still sin. Similarly, even if I surrender all and let Christ takes charge, there may be time where I will fall and need his help again.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Not every week.

Anyway, I have no issue with it. I am a human so I will still sin from time to time. Even if I say I will repent, I may still sin. Similarly, even if I surrender all and let Christ takes charge, there may be time where I will fall and need his help again.

You mean you “surrendering all” isn’t really surrendering all, right? It really begs the question why even preach “surrender all” if it’s not expected that anyone does.

 

[gordon777]

I am so grateful for your word's. And may god bless you for your prayer. I also believe in prayer. I believe when his children pray together God will listen and answer their prayer. I won't give up on praying to God. And I need you to keep praying for me if you can. What did Jesus do In his last moments, when he was exceeding sorrowful even unto death he fell on his face and and prayed. So I will follow his example. But in my prayer I will ask the Lord if it is his will let him take me to him and deliver me from my suffering. Thank you again Jeremy.

Jesus prays to not die, because His soul is sorrowful unto death.

But Jesus died for us, so we might live, not so we might die.


Psalm 18:4 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the floods of ungodly men made me afraid.

Psalm 18:5 The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me.

Psalm 116:3 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.

Matthew 26:38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.

1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

 

[gordon777]

Yes I believe death better be something you earned. I want my life to end that way. Dying like Jesus and his servants while doing God's mission. This was my dream. But I didn't see that happen. My suffering is as meaningless as it is indescribably painful. If it was for sake of God I am going through this disgraceful life. I may accept that. But I don't see any purpose of God in it. In fact, to the contrary as keep on living I unwillingly and uncontrollably hurt people. My life became a setback to God's mission in other people. The church I attend and it's member became victim of Satan's ridicule and his ugly deeds all because of my presence. I am ruining everyone's life and their fellowship with Christ. I my self became handicapped.gradually I was forced to stop to pray , read my bible and finally go to church. What is all this for I asked God. What is the purpose? And it is getting worse and worse. And now with this acceleration I am terrified to think of the future. But it is true God has a purpose in everything. But we are humans we break under our sufferings. Knowing that God is always right and we have to wait for him we become terrified of our misery and make our own decisions. It was best for Abrehham if he could wait for Isaac. But over the years he became terrified and make his decision. I can't blame him I don't know what it feels like to live like thatthrough utter desperation. My story is quite similar I became desperate. I could see no way out.

These days are the worst ever, it is not supposed to be comparable to any time. (f we want to know why this impossible suffering is here now)


Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.



But Jesus tells us about it, how to possess out soul, here is the way for all hearing, all who want to really know:


Luke 21:16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
19 In your patience possess ye your souls.

Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.





It is the trial of our faith, before the end of all things ( now, so it is the very time to endure and hang on, and this was always the purpose for it all.)



Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.


1 Peter 1:6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

 

[Life after death]

Jesus prays to not die, because His soul is sorrowful unto death.

But Jesus died for us, so we might live, not so we might die.


Psalm 18:4 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the floods of ungodly men made me afraid.

Psalm 18:5 The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me.

Psalm 116:3 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.

Matthew 26:38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.

1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

Jesus prays to not die, because His soul is sorrowful unto death.

But Jesus died for us, so we might live, not so we might die.


Psalm 18:4 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the floods of ungodly men made me afraid.

Psalm 18:5 The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me.

Psalm 116:3 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.

Matthew 26:38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.

1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

What does it mean to be sorrowful unto death? Can you elaborate?

 

[gordon777]

What does it mean to be sorrowful unto death? Can you elaborate?

Jesus had his soul sorrowful unto death, because the sorrows of death compassed about him. Also in that he feared.

Jesus endured the cross, and did not turn away form the sufferings, and we see learned obedience by the things which He suffered ( for us) and then we see we do not need to fear, as He was made after the power of an endless life.



Matthew 26:38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.

Hebrews 5:6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.



Hebrews 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

 

[gordon777]

Not every week.

Anyway, I have no issue with it. I am a human so I will still sin from time to time. Even if I say I will repent, I may still sin. Similarly, even if I surrender all and let Christ takes charge, there may be time where I will fall and need his help again.

Jesus Christ has forgiven us all, so that we change and do not need forgiveness from time to time.

Failure is not to accept the sacrifice that Christ did for all, which was to bring us away from death ( the wages of sin) to life in Him.


Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

2 Peter 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

 

[Life after death]

Jesus Christ has forgiven us all, so that we change and do not need forgiveness from time to time.

Failure is not to accept the sacrifice that Christ did for all, which was to bring us away from death ( the wages of sin) to life in Him.


Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

2 Peter 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

Does that mean you don't need to repent after you sin?