Iam planning to commit suicide.Can you see God's purpose in suicide?

[Life after death]

Does that mean you don't need to repent after you sin?

Jesus Christ has forgiven us all, so that we change and do not need forgiveness from time to time.

Failure is not to accept the sacrifice that Christ did for all, which was to bring us away from death ( the wages of sin) to life in Him.


Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

2 Peter 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

This is interesting to me.
Hebrews 10:14: For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
 I Believe no sin we commit after we are saved can make unrighteous. But I thinkwe need repent every time we sin to show our humblness to God?
 I don't believe our forgiveness is dependent on our repentance after every sin.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

This is interesting to me.
Hebrews 10:14: For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
 I Believe no sin we commit after we are saved can make unrighteous. But I thinkwe need repent every time we sin to show our humblness to God?
 I don't believe our forgiveness is dependent on our repentance after every sin.

I think you're wong my friend. I think we should compare our sin to showing contempt for the mercy Jesus displayed.
To be hurt by the sins people commit against us, but then commit sin ourselves against our Lord is hypocritical.
People in churches today don't seem to know that how the Son of God was mistreated was utterly sinful... and he bore it.

 

[WIP]

You mean you “surrendering all” isn’t really surrendering all, right? It really begs the question why even preach “surrender all” if it’s not expected that anyone does.

"Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect." Matthew 5:48 NKJV

Jesus said this knowing that for us it is impossible. Nevertheless, that is what we are called to do.

Likewise...
Now great multitudes went with Him. And He turned and said to them, “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple. And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple. For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it— lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, saying, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish’? Or what king, going to make war against another king, does not sit down first and consider whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? Or else, while the other is still a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks conditions of peace. So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple."
Luke 14:25-33 NKJV

Jesus knows that we are unable to fulfill this and that is why He came; "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved."
John 3:16-17 NKJV

 

[Dorothy Mae]

"Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect." Matthew 5:48 NKJV

Jesus said this knowing that for us it is impossible. Nevertheless, that is what we are called to do.

Likewise...
Now great multitudes went with Him. And He turned and said to them, “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple. And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple. For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it— lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, saying, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish’? Or what king, going to make war against another king, does not sit down first and consider whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? Or else, while the other is still a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks conditions of peace. So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple."
Luke 14:25-33 NKJV

Jesus knows that we are unable to fulfill this and that is why He came; "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved."
John 3:16-17 NKJV

There is no indication that Jesus gave teaching He knew no one could do. The word “perfect” is actually “complete” or “whole” not some theoretical perfection. Jesus knew we could love Him more than family. It’s not even that difficult with commitment and great love. Counting the cost is something modern believers don’t want to do. They want it all free.

So I can see why you have the position you do. It’s common to shrug off the teachings of Jesus elevating them to “impossible” so they’re no longer binding. Reminds me of a groom promising to be true to his bride but secretly telling himself that, of course, she knows he can’t. It’s just words.

 

[Jasongab]

You mean you “surrendering all” isn’t really surrendering all, right? It really begs the question why even preach “surrender all” if it’s not expected that anyone does.

Yeah why even eat when you are going to get hungry again?
Why sleep when you are going to wake up again?

Why even preach "reading the bible daily" when it's expected almost no one can do it till their death..

 

[WIP]

There is no indication that Jesus gave teaching He knew no one could do. The word “perfect” is actually “complete” or “whole” not some theoretical perfection. Jesus knew we could love Him more than family. It’s not even that difficult with commitment and great love. Counting the cost is something modern believers don’t want to do. They want it all free.

So I can see why you have the position you do. It’s common to shrug off the teachings of Jesus elevating them to “impossible” so they’re no longer binding. Reminds me of a groom promising to be true to his bride but secretly telling himself that, of course, she knows he can’t. It’s just words.

What you've written above pretty much negates the need for Jesus' sacrifice for if it was possible for us, then it was unnecessary for God to send His only begotten son as a living sacrifice for us. What He did was no small thing.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

What you've written above pretty much negates the need for Jesus' sacrifice for if it was possible for us, then it was unnecessary for God to send His only begotten son as a living sacrifice for us. What He did was no small thing.

No, not at all. Do you believe Jesus’ sacrifice means we do nothing whatsoever? What do you think his sacrifice did? Open Heaven for everyone? No one has deny themselves any pleasure?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Yeah why even eat when you are going to get hungry again?
Why sleep when you are going to wake up again?

Or why marry when you’re just going to start dating others again? Or why pay a man money you owe him when you’re just going to borrow again? Or why go to work when you’re just going to go home again?

Why even preach "reading the bible daily" when it's expected almost no one can do it till their death..

Hey, why read it at all? Why do anything for anyone?

 

[for_his_glory]

Mat 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Mar 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
Mar 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
Mar 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
Mar 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
Mar 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

 

[gordon777]

"Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect." Matthew 5:48 NKJV

Jesus said this knowing that for us it is impossible. Nevertheless, that is what we are called to do.

Likewise...
Now great multitudes went with Him. And He turned and said to them, “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple. And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple. For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it— lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, saying, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish’? Or what king, going to make war against another king, does not sit down first and consider whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? Or else, while the other is still a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks conditions of peace. So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple."
Luke 14:25-33 NKJV

Jesus knows that we are unable to fulfill this and that is why He came; "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved."
John 3:16-17 NKJV

Is it impossible to love our enemies, doing good to those who hate us, praying for those who use you, to be the children of God who does good to the evil and to the good/just and unjust ? ( there is a resurrection of both the just and the unjust, and we see Apostle Paul therefore always exercised himself in this way Jesus had told us, to always have a conscience void of offence toward God and toward man. Luke 14:14. Acts 24;15-16.)

We are told of the other example, of people who only love those who love them, those who salute their brothers only, and it is not told something we cannot do, it is told THEREFORE, to be perfect as our Father. ( who we are to believe in doing those good ways to believe in and do/ not teach we cant do them.)

Jesus also testified it is impossible with ,men, but with God all things are possible. ( the disciples did forsake all to follow Christ, which others do not, as it is impossible for those who do not believe all things are possible with God.. Matthew 19:27-30.)

The blind cannot lead the blind, we are to be seeing for anyone else to follow us. We cannot be above our Master ( Christ) but everyone that is perfect shall be as Him. ( in light to lead in the light.)

We are to leave all to follow Christ, and that is as told in Matthew 19:27-30, every one that has forsaken houses, or brothers, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for His name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. ( Luke 14:16-33 is then understood to be how we love Christ the most, and not our families and our lives. Matthew 10:36-39 confirms the very same, we cannot love those of our household more than Christ, as that is then not understanding they become our enemies, we are to be worthy of Christ by taking our cross and following after Him, to not find our life, with our families, but to lose our life, for the sake of Christ, to find it again. This is trust in the Lord Jesus Christ,and not all our trust in this world instead.)


Matthew 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Luke 14:14 And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.

Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void to offence toward God, and toward men.



Luke 6:39 39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?
40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.



Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

 

[gordon777]

What you've written above pretty much negates the need for Jesus' sacrifice for if it was possible for us, then it was unnecessary for God to send His only begotten son as a living sacrifice for us. What He did was no small thing.

It is through the sacrifice of Jesus for us, that we can believe He showed us how to love, so we can begin to do what he taught, which was the hidden love of heaven, and confirmed on earth by Jesus' sacrifice for us.

 

[Life after death]

I think you're wong my friend. I think we should compare our sin to showing contempt for the mercy Jesus displayed.
To be hurt by the sins people commit against us, but then commit sin ourselves against our Lord is hypocritical.
People in churches today don't seem to know that how the Son of God was mistreated was utterly sinful... and he bore it.

Please read my comment again. I never said anything that encourage us to sin. I am saying forgiveness is dependent on only in the blood of Jesus.
I can also argue that believing that the blood of Jesus is not enough to bring full forgiveness. And believers who fail to repent their sins will lose their salvation is far more contempt for the blood of Jesus.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Please read my comment again. I never said anything that encourage us to sin. I am saying forgiveness is dependent on only in the blood of Jesus.
I can also argue that believing that the blood of Jesus is not enough to bring full forgiveness. And believers who fail to repent their sins will lose their salvation is far more contempt for the blood of Jesus.

I agree. Jesus himself said that if we do not forgive others, we will not be forgiven which means that the blood of Jesus really is not enough to bring full forgiveness. If one thinks about it, it is really the only justice decision God can make. We are forgiven much but we refuse to forgive little. The just response of a just judge is to reapply the punishment for the wrong done. Means salvation is indeed conditional.

 

[Life after death]

I agree. Jesus himself said that if we do not forgive others, we will not be forgiven which means that the blood of Jesus really is not enough to bring full forgiveness. If one thinks about it, it is really the only justice decision God can make. We are forgiven much but we refuse to forgive little. The just response of a just judge is to reapply the punishment for the wrong done. Means salvation is indeed conditional.

I think this is the kind of gospel Paul was talking about in Galatians. People can not be saved by believing in jesus but they need to forgive others. So that will be counted as righteousness for them. And as a reward God give them forgiveness and salvation. This is righteousness based on work.

Galatians 5: 4: Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

 

[WIP]

Is it impossible to love our enemies, doing good to those who hate us, praying for those who use you, to be the children of God who does good to the evil and to the good/just and unjust ?

For us? Yes, it is impossible. Try as we might, and we should, we would never pull it off and succeed perfectly as God demands. But, with God, all things are possible. This is precisely why we need a savior.

 

[Zeth4500]

Did I discontinue to guard my heart like the bible says? Yes.

i think this leans into attachment styles as well, when i feel wronged i detach and try to see objectively if its reasonable what has been done towards me- if i judge that its unjustified i will call them out on it and strike them down concisely- only very few dont end up submitting to this but it must be done in a proper manner and emotionally detached
its important to keep in mind even in the bible did jesus abandon people that didnt take his word and didnt act their own words, he abandoned them for the time being- and this is also what a secure attachment is like, knowing when to withdraw yourself. i have withdrawn myself from a special someone a number of times and she has lately made a lot of good progress- and me acting rightfully in the heat of the moment has explained to her that her way of doing was wrong and that she must change to keep the people in her lives that truly care about her.
everyone respects confidence.
we dont remember all the words that are brought up in a bad situation, but we will always remember the silence of our allies.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Please read my comment again. I never said anything that encourage us to sin.

I know that my friend, but you asked if God has a purpose in you commiting suicide. Sinning against ourselves and God by killing ourselves isn't the answer.

I am saying forgiveness is dependent on only in the blood of Jesus.

You're right, but "the blood of Jesus" is his life. Look,

Consider him (Jesus) who endured such opposition from sinners, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart. Heb.12:3

When we are opposed by wickedness, we go to war against it with the gospel our Lord taught, showing sinners the love and forgiveness our Savior showed to people who hated him. We were his enemies once. How can we not love our enemies after seeing his love toward us?

I can also argue that believing that the blood of Jesus is not enough to bring full forgiveness.

No you can't, because the blood of Jesus is his life, his life poured out showing his love and mercy toward people who abused him.

In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. Heb.12:4

Jesus knee grief. He went through it. And so does anyone who follows in his footsteps,

We were under great pressure, far beyond our ability to endure, so that we despaired of life itself. 2Cor.1:8

And believers who fail to repent their sins will lose their salvation is far more contempt for the blood of Jesus.

Again you're right, but a true believer will welcome the Holy Spirits' leading . We grow in learning,

We are experiencing trouble on every side, but are not crushed; we are perplexed, but not driven to despair; we are persecuted, but not abandoned; we are knocked down, but not destroyed, always carrying around in our body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be made visible in our body. 2Cor.4:8-10

Our sweet Lord Jesus perfectly showed Gods' offer to forgive anyone who sins against him and teaches us to do the same. Of course the lesson begins when we ourselves are mistreated. Hang in there.

 

[JasonLickliter]

Yeah i have dealt with suicide thoughts as well. I found out a few years ago I had bipolar and major depressive disorder.

I was homeless, it was winter, and I moved to a new town. I knew noone here and didnt have much money or no medical insurance. I kept struggling with my situation and kept feeling like i was going to die out here. I kept thinking about suicide.

I finally couldnt take it anymore and decided I needed other people help. I found a free mental health service in town and was able to go to there crisis center to get some help.

I was put on some pills and did group therapy. I wasnt sure if group would be good or not cause I can have trouble in groups of people. I feel like 1 on 1 I function better. I still did the groups and actually got alot out of it. It may have been more helpful than the pills? idk and dont care i was in too dark of a place and was willing to try anything to see if I could get improvements.

In group they had a good point that I never thought about. No one likes negatives things or when it seems like your whole life falls apart quickly. What they were telling me is that negative things can push us in the right direction. So i started seeing thing from the perspective that sometimes we have these negative moments in ours life to motivate us to reach out.

It did seems like alot of things were pushing me in the direction to go and receive treatment. Turns out I did learn alot. I was able to share some of my experiences there as well and I think I was able to share some insight that was also helpful for other people there as well. I was there 2 weeks.

After all this I been thinking about looking for volunteer opportunities to volunteer my time in group sessions. Ever since I was young I did think I would make a good counselor or mental health therapist. I dont think I would goto college or anything for it. Volunteer position is something I could do.

After awhile and lots a prayer I stopped taking the pills. They were low dose anyway so I dont think they were doing much. I been fine ever since but I do go through these episodes every now and then.

Just dont kill yourself. Search for help, call 911 if you have to. Just get stable and see what you think then. They say most suicide attempts dont work or people just end up being injured some how. Its never really a good idea.

Seek any and all help. Trust me, I been in that dark place alot, im still here.

 

[Jasongab]

There is no need to suicide. You are going to physically die anyway in the next 200 years guaranteed.