Edward
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No, we are priests of God and the Kingdom of God.
IMHO
iakov the fool
Yeah, that's what I meant.
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No, we are priests of God and the Kingdom of God.
IMHO
iakov the fool
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.The second heaven and earth is the Kingdom that comes without observation and is within. Some people can't see it because they won't accept it. There still baptized in Jesus burial, looking up to the sky from hell saying 'when will the Lord return' because they have rejected Christ and the truth.
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
The Kingdom of God is within believers because that is where God rules. The Greek word translated "Kingdom" (βασιλεύς) primarily refers to the reign or rule of the king rather than the territory of a kingdom.
The Pharisees, to whom Jesus said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke17:20-21) quite likely had in mind a restored physical kingdom of Israel in which the subjects of the king, a descendant of David, adhered strictly to the Law of Moses to come to be when God destroyed all of His enemies.
The Lord will return and when He does he will restore the entire universe, all of creation, to the original purity and perfection in which He created it before the fall. And when He does return, He will rule in person.
Rev 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become
the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ,
and He shall reign forever and ever!”
iakov the fool
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We can try and understand . .and reason . . .and discuss . .and think we understand better . . .but:Not "within," "among":
Luk 17:21 nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or 'There!' for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you." (ESV)
Just look to whom Jesus was talking. There would be no way he would or even could say that the kingdom of God was within the Pharisees. The kingdom isn't in men, men are in the kingdom.
Not really. God created us in his image as rational beings. He also communicated his revelation to us in human language through human writers. This means that we can use our reasoning to understand most of what is being said.We can try and understand . .and reason . . .and discuss . .and think we understand better . . .but:
Ultimately it boils down to what is experienced in the Spirit . . .as only God can really reveal what He meant
I don't see how any of that addresses what I posted.1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
As we need this relationship with God . . . . and only there . . .with God speaking . . . .growth is established.
1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
Only this way the new creation is established.
Jer 18:6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.
Not really. God created us in his image as rational beings. He also communicated his revelation to us in human language through human writers. This means that we can use our reasoning to understand most of what is being said.
In this case, it is very simple. Jesus is speaking to the Pharisees, those Jewish leaders who were "hypocrites," "full of greed and self-indulgence," "blind," "whitewashed tombs," "serpents," "vipers," leading the people astray. There is simply no way that Jesus would say that the kingdom of God was "within" them. It was "among" them because of his presence and the works which he performed.
I don't see how any of that addresses what I posted.
Not really. God created us in his image as rational beings. He also communicated his revelation to us in human language through human writers. This means that we can use our reasoning to understand most of what is being said.
Yes, really. God did not create us in His image as rational beings. We were created in His image as spiritual beings and without intellect. It doesn't work that way with spiritual beings. We gained our rational self when we gained the knowledge of good and evil. (After we fell). :yes
No. We are created in the image of God in a number of ways, including rational. That should go without saying. You are probably the only person in the history of Christianity to argue otherwise. If we weren't, God could not have even communicated with Adam and Adam certainly would not have been able to name the animals.Yes, really. God did not create us in His image as rational beings. We were created in His image as spiritual beings and without intellect. It doesn't work that way with spiritual beings. We gained our rational self when we gained the knowledge of good and evil. (After we fell). :yes
No. We are created in the image of God in a number of ways, including rational. That should go without saying. You are probably the only person in the history of Christianity to argue otherwise. If we weren't, God could not have even communicated with Adam and Adam certainly would not have been able to name the animals.
Please, tell me, with Scriptural proof, how it works "with spiritual beings."
You're basing a belief on the subjective experience of one man? Do you realize how dangerous and wrong that is? Not to mention you're using your reason to come to a conclusion about spiritual matters. Isn't that against what you believe?No scripture. I learned that from listening to a testimony from a Pastor who was giving a sermon and he recounted a time where he was taken up in spirit and he learned that while there. He says that we dont really talk in the Kingdom realm. That he formed a question while thinking and got his answer sort of like telepathy and in an instant he received it all. That he was able to experience it rather than talk about it. He realized that talking is really one of the worst forms of communication because it is limited and slow.
I believe the man. That makes sense to me.
You're basing a belief on the subjective experience of one man? Do you realize how dangerous and wrong that is? Not to mention you're using your reason to come to a conclusion about spiritual matters. Isn't that against what you believe?
So adding more subjective opinions to the mix makes things better? And, please, don't misuse and abuse the Bible in such a way.Reason takes you to a place where a choice is made to have faith in it or not. Mmm, I am basing that on one mans word, but he has said other things that were confirmed for me either by revelation or by 2nd or 3rd witnesses who say the same thing. In the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses shall truth be established.
And that has nothing to do with what we are discussing. Another misapplication of Scripture.If I bring to mind the principle of, lean not to our own understanding (et al) I feel the ring of truth in it.
Please provide evidence for both claims. The only ones who may not use their intellect in heaven will be those who don't use it now.We do not use intellect in heaven, that came from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
False analogies. We are talking about certain beliefs of yours regarding God and Scripture, beliefs that, so far, have no evidence in Scripture.Are you of the position that if it's not in scripture, that there's no possible way it could be true? Then show me cell phone in scripture. Show me automobile and airplane.
In context it seems to be talking about knowledge of God's purposes as given in the prophecy will increase. But it really isn't all that clear what, exactly, the meaning is.Here's a scripture. So that I don't misapply it, would you please give me your take on it?
Daniel 12:4
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.../
So will they be adding more chapters to the bible or what? Apparently I don't get this verse either. Help a Brother out...
Sure it can, at least, it can comprehend a good deal about God.Not really. God created us in his image as rational beings.
SURE . . .BUT THAT "RATIONAL" CANNOT COMPREHEND GOD.
But that has nothing to do with using reason. Here is a better version:1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
AS WE SIMPLY DO NOT KNOW "knoweth no man" AND NEED THE SPIRIT BY WHICH WE KNOW "that we might know"
No. We have the Bible which is God's revelation to us. We do not need more revelation. The only reason to think we need more revelation is that the Bible is insufficient. Is that what you believe?He also communicated his revelatiion
AND THIS SAY EXACTLY THAT . . .THAT WE NEED REVELATION
What contradiction? Where was the first contradiction? Reason itself is amoral; there is nothing inherently sinful about it. It's what guides our reason that causes the problems.to us in human language through human writers. This means that we can use our reasoning to understand most of what is being said.
AND THIS IS CONTRADICTING AGAIN . . .. EVEN THE "most" SPEAK OF THE UNCERTAINTY OF UNDERSTANDING WITH OUR INHERENT, HUMAN, SINFUL CAPACITY
Many times it is simple, such as in Luke 17:21. Because the Bible was communicated to us in human languages, we can therefore read and study to come to an understanding of a great many things in Scripture.In this case, it is very simple.
IT IS NEVER "simple" . . BECAUSE WE DO NOT KNOW "knoweth no man"
I don't understand what you're saying here.Jesus is speaking to the Pharisees, those Jewish leaders who were "hypocrites," "full of greed and self-indulgence," "blind," "whitewashed tombs," "serpents," "vipers," leading the people astray. There is simply no way that Jesus would say that the kingdom of God was "within" them. It was "among" them because of his presence and the works which he performed.
YEP . . .THERE IS A WAY . . .IN GOD'S MIND . . .NOT JUDGING THEM AND US . .. BECAUSE WE ARE BUT THE SAME . . . AND GIVING THEM AND US THE WORD . . .USING THE OPPORTUNITY TO TEACH EVERYONE . . .WHERE THE KINGDOM IS .. . BECAUSE OF HIM IN US.
I don't see how any of that addresses what I posted.
OK . . .I TRIED AGAIN.
So i agree with FreeIn the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses shall truth be established.