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Is it sinful to worship God with musical instruments? No

Is it sinful to worship God without musical instruments? No
 
I apologize for repeating this post, but it must have been overlooked somehow...

Would it be sinful to apply a little peanut butter to the unleavened bread as we observe the Lord's Supper?
 
Older & Senile? said:
Would it be sinful to apply a little peanut butter to the unleavened bread as we observe the Lord's Supper?
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Why would you want to?
 
I am simply asking would it be sinful to do so.
 
Solo:My comparison was between the OT and the NT! It had nothing to do with heaven! I don't know where you got that? Goofy indeed.Older & Senile?Yes, it would be wrong to use those things in the Lord's supper because we have been given exact detail as to what is to be used. In like manner, we have been given exact instructions for our worship to God.If someone would supply me with one verse that shows God allows the NT church to use instruments of music or one example of the NT church using them, then I will drop this and admit my error.I'll be waiting.
 
So Collier says that it would be sinful to add peanut butter to the unleavened bread for the Lord's Supper.

Anybody else agree? Disagree?
 
Collier,

In regards to the Lord's Supper, do you use wine or grape juice? Do you use unleavend bread or crackers of some sort? Does everyone drink from the same cup or does each get one of those little ones?
 
Collier said:
Solo:
My comparison was between the OT and the NT! It had nothing to do with heaven! I don't know where you got that? Goofy indeed.
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Collier,
Your take on the matter is that worshipping God with instuments in song is of the flesh and wrong. I showed you in Revelations where instruments are used in the worship of God, and it is not of the flesh. You backup and re-think the issue and suggest to me that you are comparing Old Testament with New Testament.

If you want to worship God without instruments then by all means do so. God won't hold it against you for you are doing what you do as unto him in worship. When you begin to put down other believers because they worship God with instruments and song, then you are in a dangerous position, for these believers worship God as unto him and him alone in worship as you.

Paul mentions harpers and pipers in the New Testament, and I suspect that as he and other believers attended meetings in the synagogs, they probably heard harps and pipes, and it was during the New Testament times.

7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped? 1 Corinthians 14:7

I would like to know from you why it is ok to play instruments to worship God in heaven, but it is not ok to play instruments to worship God in the Church today.
 
Older & Senile? said:
So Collier says that it would be sinful to add peanut butter to the unleavened bread for the Lord's Supper.

Anybody else agree? Disagree?
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It's sinful if it's taken in an unworthy manner. Why would you want to?
 
It's sinful if it's taken in an unworthy manner. Why would you want to?
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So from this answer, you believe that it would not be sinful to add peanut butter to the unleavened bread during the Lord's Supper as long as I did so in a worthy manner?
 
Older & Senile? said:
So from this answer, you believe that it would not be sinful to add peanut butter to the unleavened bread during the Lord's Supper as long as I did so in a worthy manner?
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What is the purpose of the Lord's supper?
 
Why don't you simply answer the question with a straightforward answer.

Is it a sin to add peanut butter to the Lord's Supper?
 
Older & Senile? said:
Why don't you simply answer the question with a straightforward answer.

Is it a sin to add peanut butter to the Lord's Supper?
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I have given you an answer. How about answering my question?
 
It's sinful if it's taken in an unworthy manner.
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Yes you have given an answer, but you have not answered the question. You stated that it would be sinful if it's taken in an unworthy manner. Well last time i checked, it is a sin to partake of the Lord's Supper in an unworthy manner.

My question however is, "would it be a sin to add peanut butter to the Lord's Supper?" A simple "yes" or "no" is all I'm after.
 
Older & Senile? said:
Yes you have given an answer, but you have not answered the question. You stated that it would be sinful if it's taken in an unworthy manner. Well last time i checked, it is a sin to partake of the Lord's Supper in an unworthy manner.

My question however is, "would it be a sin to add peanut butter to the Lord's Supper?" A simple "yes" or "no" is all I'm after.
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Doing so would open up another possibility for sin. Ask yourself this question:

Could you do this yourself and still and still be able to partake in the Lords supper in a worthy manner? Even if your answer is yes. Could you do this in such a way that you do not cause your brother to stumble? I can't believe that this could be done in such a way that would not cause a monumental distraction to the rest of the congregation. If you cause your brother to stumble, you yourself have sinned.

Do you even consider yourself to be a Christian, or are you just a troll trying to stir up trouble? If you are a Christian, please answer my original question. Why on Earth would you want to something like this?
 
Doing so would open up another possibility for sin.
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As is the adding of mechanical instruments of music to our singing. There is no difference.

Could you do this yourself and still and still be able to partake in the Lords supper in a worthy manner? Even if your answer is yes. Could you do this in such a way that you do not cause your brother to stumble? I can't believe that this could be done in such a way that would not cause a monumental distraction to the rest of the congregation. If you cause your brother to stumble, you yourself have sinned.
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BINGO!!!!!

This is precisely what happened when man first sought to introduce them years ago! IT SPLIT THE CHURCH!!!!!

Why, Why, WHY? Because man wanted them. Not God!

But someone will whimper and whine and say but He didn't say not to use them.

BINGO!!!!!

He didn't say not to add peanut butter to the Lord's Supper either now did He?

If you are a Christian, please answer my original question. Why on Earth would you want to something like this?
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Why on earth would I want to add peanut butter to the Lord's Supper? I don't! God plainly gave us instructions for how and when to partake of the Lord's Supper.

Why on earth would anyone want to do the same with worship in song?

By the same reasoning that it is wrong to add peanut butter, it is wrong to add mechanical instruments of music.
 
Older & Senile? said:
Why on earth would anyone want to do the same with worship in song?

By the same reasoning that it is wrong to add peanut butter, it is wrong to add mechanical instruments of music.
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I'm not sure that I think that musical instruments are going to lead someone to stumble every time. But on the other hand, it's certainly possible for too much human emotion to get wrapped into and absorbed by a well rehearsed musical performance in church, thus taking the focus off of the worship of the Lord.

I happen to worship in a church with no musical instruments. King David saw fit to worship God with them. I don't think God now rejects their usage. We just aren't instructed to use them, which is much different than your analogy. I personally recognize it to be a more intimate worship service in an accappella church than others might, but that's just my opinion.
 
The same logic could be used of peanut butter though. Suppose it was really wanted by a group of people. The initial outcry against it would eventually fade and years later our great great great .... grandkids would have threads on a web forum discussing where in the New Testament it says not to add peanut butter.

It all stems from a question of authority. Do we have authority or example to use MIM in worship today? No. It's simply not there. And the sad old reply of "it doesn't say not to" is just that, sad. If it's ok with God for us to add MIM in worship, then by the same authority we can add peanut butter to the Lord's Supper. Or maybe a dipping sauce to add a little flavor.

As for King David using MIMs? He also used burnt sacrifices of animals. They were authorized by God during that time. Now is different. We aren't commanded to offer animal sacifices. Nor are we commanded to use MIMs.

I agree with you that accapella is very personal. But it's more than my opinion. It's what God commanded.
 
Older & Senile? said:
As for King David using MIMs? He also used burnt sacrifices of animals. They were authorized by God during that time. Now is different. We aren't commanded to offer animal sacifices. Nor are we commanded to use MIMs.

I agree with you that accapella is very personal. But it's more than my opinion. It's what God commanded.
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But we're also told later that animal sacrifices are no longer permitted as the OT law has been done away with. Christ as you may or may not know is that sacrifice. It's done. The OT law has been done away with, and music was never part of the OT law that I am aware of. You're not comparing apples to apples with your analogy. We are told that King David's musical offering was pleasing to God. Just because we are not instructed to worship with musical instruments does now mean that to do so is somehow displeasing to God.

Being able to play a musical instrument is a talent given to us by God. If God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow, wouldn't a musical offering similar to what King David might have offered still be pleasing to God today?
 
I think that I will eat peanut butter on the next unleavened bread given me at the Lord's supper, and play an instrument as I worship God, since I can't sing. I hear that God is less into condemning folks for worship than the non-instrumental bunch; after all, he allows harps in the spirit realm. Peanut butter on the unleavened bread doesn't mean one is not worthy to partake of the Lord's supper, so if it makes your worship of God more fuller in a spiritual sense, knock yourself out.

And I have yet to see where God said not to put peanut butter on unleavened bread, nor have I seen where God commanded the Church not to use instruments.
 
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