Is baptism required for salvation?

Wrong...

Acts 2:38: Πέτρος δὲ πρὸς αὐτούς Μετανοήσατε, [φησίν] καὶ βαπτισθήτω ἕκαστος ὑμῶν ἐν / ἐπὶ τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ εἰς ἄφεσιν τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν ὑμῶν, καὶ λήμψεσθε τὴν δωρεὰν τοῦ ἁγίου πνεύματος·

And Peter said to them: Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

The original Greek of the Nicene Creed confirms the teaching of Jesus and the Apostles...

"ὁμολογοῦμεν ἓν βάπτισμα εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν" which means "we confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins." (The word εἰς can be translated either way as "unto" or "for," since both in English in this context mean the same thing.)

The effect of baptism from the genesis of the Christian faith was clearly understood. Even the progenitor of Protestantism affirmed the necessity of baptism and its salvific effects. Here is Luther again...

"This is the simplest way to put it: the power, effect, benefit, fruit, and purpose of baptism is that it saves. For no one is baptized in order to become a prince, but as the words say, ‘to be saved.’ To be saved, as everyone knows, is nothing else than to be delivered from sin, death and the devil, to enter into Christ’s kingdom, and to live with him forever." - Martin Luther, Large Catechism

It wasn't until much later when other Protestants were bold enough to claim Jesus and the Apostles were actually wrong about baptism...

"In this matter of baptism - if I may be pardoned for saying it - I can only conclude that all the doctors have been in error from the time of the Apostles...At many points we shall have to tread a different path from that taken either by ancient or more modern writers or by our own contemporaries." (Zwingli, De Baptismo, 1525 A.D.)


Which way modern man? Jesus Christ or thy self?
1st Your words of men do not help you

2nd, your commentary will not help you

3rd. if you want to tell me I am wrong. Go into the greek in fact, in any language and show me where a 2nd person plural subject and a 3rd person singular object can be put together.

Of course you can not. in english, greek spanish or any other language

lets up it this way.

as written, it should be interpreted. Every one of you repent,(2nd person plural) and let THEM be baptized.. (3rd person singular)
 
Are children only infants?

Again, baptism is given only to believers in the NT. The CC practice of baptising infants is unbiblical, which is interesting since you are trying hard to ground baptismal regeneration in Scripture.

Since the CC believes that baptism saves, then if follows that all infants are saved, despite the repeated claim in the NT that salvation requires a profession of faith. No one is partly saved; they are either saved or they are not.
I do not believe CC believes baptism saves, if I remember right, it just cleanses from origional sin..

Thats why they have to continue so called sacraments like penance and the eucharist to get personal sin forgiven

thats also why they baptise infants. to get them started on their way
 
The Church has baptized infants from the beginning. And even the progenitor of Protestantism taught the necessity of baptizing infants!
Christians for centuries have been divided as to the meaning of Christ’s words in John
3:5, “except a man be BORN OF WATER and of the Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of
God.”

Many religious people, including saved ones, have interpreted Christ words, in John 3:5,
to mean salvation by water baptism, sometimes called “baptismal regeneration.”
They say that this interpretation is confirmed by Peter’s words on the day of Pentecost,
“repent and be baptized for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit,”
(Acts 2:38). They say that the same teaching is in Mark 16:16, “he that believeth and is baptized
shall be saved.”

They quote also, in support of their teaching, Mark 1:4 and I John 5:8: “John did baptize
in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.” “And there are
three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in
one.”

In Mark 7:20 to 23, the Lord Jesus told His hearers that man’s sin was from within. “All
these evil things come from within, and defile the man.” (Mark 7:23).

Although intelligent reasoning should convince any thinking person that a few drops of
water on the head, or gallons of water all over the sinner, cannot cleanse him of the sin that is
within; yet the Scriptures quoted, unless studied according to I Corinthians 2:12 and II Timothy
2:15, seem to suggest saving value in water.

But if one man puts water on another man and the baptized person of himself submits to
baptism, and is thereby saved, then Ephesians 2:8 and 9 cannot be true, “saved by grace, through
faith; NOT OF YOURSELVES; not of works.”


Can we imagine that Paul, who became all things
to all men that by all means he might win some, (I Corinthians 9:20 to 25), who was even willing
to circumcise Timothy, would have thanked God for the few believers in Corinth that be baptized
(I Corinthians 1:1 to 17), if there was any efficacy in water? At the time Paul wrote to the
Corinthians, he would not have written I Corinthians 1:14 to 17, if water helped to save a sinner.

How inconsistent is the Christian who endeavors to prove his “water regeneration” by Mark
16:16 and wholly ignore the signs following in Mark 16:17 and 18.


In John 4:14 Christ told the woman that He would give her a drink that would prove to be
a well of water. In John 7:38 and 39, He likened the Holy Spirit to water flowing from within the
believer. In neither case did He have in mind, water, but that which the water typified.

The believer, in Hebrews 10:22, is said to have his body washed with pure water. Does
this mean that purified water must be actually applied? If so, how about Revelation 1:5 - “Unto

Him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in His own blood?” Christ’s blood was shed for
the remission of sins. (Matthew 26:28). In order to be saved, does a sinner have to wash in
Christ’s blood as literally as the “baptismal regeneration” religious people tell us we must wash
in the water baptism?

The blood that bears witness with the water, in I John 5:8, does not really
touch the believer. That blood was shed at the time Christ was baptized with the baptism that
saves the sinner. (Luke 12:50).

Sinners are saved without works of righteousness, and without religious rites, or
ordinances, or ceremonies; but by the washing of regeneration and the renewing of the Holy
Spirit. (Titus 3:5 to 8). Christ loved the Church and gave Himself for the Church; “That He
might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word.” (Ephesians 5:26). No
religious water washing is necessary for regeneration.


Sinners are born again by the Word of God. (I Peter 1:23 - James 1:18, 21). Believers are
chosen unto salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth. (II
Thessalonians 2:13). This is to him that worketh not. (Romans 4:5).
BBS.

Johann.
 
Christians for centuries have been divided as to the meaning of Christ’s words in John
3:5, “except a man be BORN OF WATER and of the Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of
God.”

Many religious people, including saved ones, have interpreted Christ words, in John 3:5,
to mean salvation by water baptism, sometimes called “baptismal regeneration.”
They say that this interpretation is confirmed by Peter’s words on the day of Pentecost,
“repent and be baptized for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit,”
(Acts 2:38). They say that the same teaching is in Mark 16:16, “he that believeth and is baptized
shall be saved.”

They quote also, in support of their teaching, Mark 1:4 and I John 5:8: “John did baptize
in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.” “And there are
three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in
one.”

In Mark 7:20 to 23, the Lord Jesus told His hearers that man’s sin was from within. “All
these evil things come from within, and defile the man.” (Mark 7:23).

Although intelligent reasoning should convince any thinking person that a few drops of
water on the head, or gallons of water all over the sinner, cannot cleanse him of the sin that is
within; yet the Scriptures quoted, unless studied according to I Corinthians 2:12 and II Timothy
2:15, seem to suggest saving value in water.

But if one man puts water on another man and the baptized person of himself submits to
baptism, and is thereby saved, then Ephesians 2:8 and 9 cannot be true, “saved by grace, through
faith; NOT OF YOURSELVES; not of works.”


Can we imagine that Paul, who became all things
to all men that by all means he might win some, (I Corinthians 9:20 to 25), who was even willing
to circumcise Timothy, would have thanked God for the few believers in Corinth that be baptized
(I Corinthians 1:1 to 17), if there was any efficacy in water? At the time Paul wrote to the
Corinthians, he would not have written I Corinthians 1:14 to 17, if water helped to save a sinner.

How inconsistent is the Christian who endeavors to prove his “water regeneration” by Mark
16:16 and wholly ignore the signs following in Mark 16:17 and 18.


In John 4:14 Christ told the woman that He would give her a drink that would prove to be
a well of water. In John 7:38 and 39, He likened the Holy Spirit to water flowing from within the
believer. In neither case did He have in mind, water, but that which the water typified.

The believer, in Hebrews 10:22, is said to have his body washed with pure water. Does
this mean that purified water must be actually applied? If so, how about Revelation 1:5 - “Unto

Him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in His own blood?”
Christ’s blood was shed for
the remission of sins. (Matthew 26:28). In order to be saved, does a sinner have to wash in
Christ’s blood as literally as the “baptismal regeneration” religious people tell us we must wash
in the water baptism?

The blood that bears witness with the water, in I John 5:8, does not really
touch the believer. That blood was shed at the time Christ was baptized with the baptism that
saves the sinner. (Luke 12:50).

Sinners are saved without works of righteousness, and without religious rites, or
ordinances, or ceremonies; but by the washing of regeneration and the renewing of the Holy
Spirit. (Titus 3:5 to 8). Christ loved the Church and gave Himself for the Church; “That He
might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word.” (Ephesians 5:26). No
religious water washing is necessary for regeneration.


Sinners are born again by the Word of God. (I Peter 1:23 - James 1:18, 21). Believers are
chosen unto salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth. (II
Thessalonians 2:13). This is to him that worketh not. (Romans 4:5).
BBS.

Johann.
Wrong, questioning the necessity of baptism did not come onto the scene until the arrival of the anabaptists some 1500 years after Christ. Zwingli actually taught Jesus and the Apostles were wrong about baptism and instead he (Zwingli) was right...

"In this matter of baptism - if I may be pardoned for saying it - I can only conclude that all the doctors have been in error from the time of the Apostles...At many points we shall have to tread a different path from that taken either by ancient or more modern writers or by our own contemporaries." (Zwingli, De Baptismo, 1525 A.D.)
 
Wrong, questioning the necessity of baptism did not come onto the scene until the arrival of the anabaptists some 1500 years after Christ. Zwingli actually taught Jesus and the Apostles were wrong about baptism and instead he (Zwingli) was right...

"In this matter of baptism - if I may be pardoned for saying it - I can only conclude that all the doctors have been in error from the time of the Apostles...At many points we shall have to tread a different path from that taken either by ancient or more modern writers or by our own contemporaries." (Zwingli, De Baptismo, 1525 A.D.)
Did Zwingli actually say that? That Jesus and the Apostles were wrong about baptism?

While you appeal to secondary authorities, Scripture is my authority, and I "dokimazo" (test, examine) all secondary sources (1 Thessalonians 5:21).

You did not even read my post and Zwingli is in error.
Romans 3:4 (KJV)
"God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged."

Paul asserts that even if everyone else were proven false, God's truth would still prevail.

Psalm 116:11 (KJV)
"I said in my haste, All men are liars."

The psalmist acknowledges human unreliability in contrast to God's faithfulness.


Shalom.

J.
 
1st Your words of men do not help you

2nd, your commentary will not help you

3rd. if you want to tell me I am wrong. Go into the greek in fact, in any language and show me where a 2nd person plural subject and a 3rd person singular object can be put together.

Of course you can not. in english, greek spanish or any other language

lets up it this way.

as written, it should be interpreted. Every one of you repent,(2nd person plural) and let THEM be baptized.. (3rd person singular)
Sure thing...

Where there is only one subject, the subject and verb must agree in person and number. However, if the subject is compound, then it is no longer true. For example...

Single Subject –-> All of you children come in and wash yourselves. (Single, plural subject)

Single Subject –-> Every single one of you children come in and wash yourself. (Single, singular subject)

Compound Subject –-> All of you children, every single one of you, come in and wash yourselves.

We see St. Peter use the exact same grammatical construction in his second sermon as we do in Acts 2:38...


Acts 3:26 --> "For you (plural) first, God raised up His servant, and sent him to bless you (plural) by turning every one (singular) of you from your wicked ways."


Believe the Word of God. Which way modern man? Jesus Christ or thy self???
 
Um No

To baptize by defenition means to immerse

Sprinking is a totally different word in the greek..
The interpretation of water baptism unto repentance for the remission of sins, is supported by Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 3:3; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; Acts 8:12 to 16; Acts 19:3 to 7. This baptism began with the ministry of John the Baptist: Hear his own words: John 1:31:

“AND I KNEW HIM NOT: BUT THAT HE SHOULD BE MADE MANIFEST TO ISRAEL, THEREFORE AM I COME BAPTIZING WITH WATER.”

There was one baptism for God’s people while Christ was on earth. Christ’s baptism unto death took place on the cross. Luke 12:47 to 52. After the close of the Book of Acts, the statement in Ephesians 4:5, is “one baptism”. Baptism was not something new with Israel. Hebrews 9:10. But the baptism committed to John had a special significance. There were three baptisms in the “Acts” period, “water baptism”, “Holy Spirit baptism”, and “death baptism”. Acts 1:5; Acts 11:14 and 15; I Corinthians 12:13; Galatians 3:27; Acts 19:2 to 7 and Romans 8:3.

When the twelve apostles were baptized, many months before Christ’s baptism unto death, before His resurrection, the Twelve knew not what the rising from the dead meant and knew nothing concerning Christ’s death baptism. Matthew 16:21 to 23; Mark 9:10; Luke 9:44 and 45; Luke 18:31 to 34; John 20:9. Therefore we observe that the Twelve were certainly not baptized with water as an indication or acknowledgment that they had been buried with Christ by baptism. And certainly not to indicate that they had joined the Church, which is His Body. That Church was not when they were baptized. The Twelve never received the second water baptism after Christ’s death baptism. Water baptism is called by different names “a kingdom ordinance,” “a church ordinance,” “New Testament baptism”, “kingdom baptism”, “Christian baptism”. But all of these names have been suggested by men: they are not found in the Bible.

All students of the Word of God are greed that the baptism of I Corinthians 12:13 is not water baptism.

I Corinthians 12:13:

“FOR BY ONE SPIRIT ARE WE ALL BAPTIZED INTO ONE BODY, WHETHER WE BE JEWS OR GENTILES, WHETHER WE BE BOND OR FREE; AND HAVE BEEN ALL MADE TO DRINK INTO ONE SPIRIT.”

“Baptized in One Spirit into One Body.” In Ephesians 4:4 to 6 there is mention of one Body, one Spirit, one Baptism. Jews and Greeks were not baptized in one Spirit into one Body at the time John Baptist was baptizing with water that Christ might be made manifest to Israel; at the time the Twelve were baptized with water. It is one thing for Israel to have water baptism to have their Messiah manifested to them: it is quite a different thing for Israelites and Gentiles to be united in One Body by Holy Spirit baptism. John’s water baptism was in connection with Christ’s proclamation of the kingdom to Israel. Therefore there is Scriptural authority for “kingdom baptism”. But “Christian baptism” is an indefinite, uncertain expression; an expression from the pen of theologians but not found in the Bible: Some differentiate between kingdom water baptism while Christ was on earth, and what they call Christian water baptism after the Spirit came from heaven. But they cannot Scripturally prove the two different water baptisms by the experience of Twelve. According to this discrimination the Twelve never received Christian baptism; only Israelitish kingdom baptism.

If John’s baptism was New Covenant baptism, and if there is anything to the law of first occurrence, what meaning had water baptism until the last occurrence of water baptism in Acts 19:2 to 7? We should not prove the meaning by the exception to the order set forth in Acts 10:34 to 48, the experience of Cornelius and his house; remembering that Cornelius was the first Gentile to come in with the Jews who required a sign.

There is no Scriptural authority for the two-fold designation of water baptism. “kingdom baptism”, and “Christian baptism”. This is theory and tradition.

Neither has a Christian Scriptural authority for changing the order of Mark 16:16, “he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved”, to “he that believeth and is saved shall be baptized”. If we are to hold on to water on the authority of that Scripture, let us observe the order. If we do, how can we reconcile that gospel with the gospel of Romans 3:24 and Ephesians 2:8 and 9? Water baptism has no place in the message of pure grace as it had in Mark 16:16. Christ sent Paul not to baptize. I Corinthians 1:17.

This leads us to this important declaration. No Scripture instructs one member of the Body of Ephesians to baptize with water another believer who is already a member of that Body. The one baptism of Ephesians 4:5, like the one baptism of Romans 6:3, produces a spiritual change in the sinner. By that one baptism the believing sinner is identified with Christ in death, burial and resurrection. As the result of that one baptism, the believer is seated in the heavenlies in Christ and blessed with all spiritual blessings in the heavenlies. Forever is he a member of the Body of Christ. Water baptism today produces no spiritual change in any sinner or saint: Water baptism neither helps to save any sinner nor helps to keep him saved. All such messengers admit that water baptism has absolutely no efficacy to aid toward, or add to, the believer’s completeness in Christ or membership in His Body. Colossians 2:10. Water baptism is not required by God for membership in the true Church, which is the Body of Christ. Water baptism is not required for salvation or regeneration. Water baptism is not demanded as a condition for receiving the Holy Spirit. Then water baptism, according to Ephesians, and according to the admissions of present-day grace preachers, does not have the meaning that it had in Acts 2:38 and Acts 19:3 to 7 or in Acts 8:12 to 17.

What is its meaning? Can you give a Scriptural answer and not a human theory?, What men have been teaching and preaching will never satisfy the searching mind of the true Berean. Do not follow established creeds or the tradition of the elders. Church habits and Bible truth may differ. After you have prayed earnestly and searched the Scriptures, diligently and have been thereby convinced as to which of the more than one dozen interpretations, modes and signification’s practiced by orthodox Christians is demanded for members of the Body of Christ, obey the demand and then look for the man who is Scripturally qualified to baptize.

But remember; study diligently the Word of God before you answer to God, “to be or not to be baptized”. When you ask men, however spiritual they may be, as a rule they cannot give you any definite Scripture to prove that water baptism is compatible with the gospel of the grace of God. If they quote the so-called Great Commission of Matthew 28:19 and 20 and Mark 16:14 to 18, they must admit that the instructions there were given to apostles, who were not yet in the Body of Christ, apostles who will be on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Matthew 19:28). These apostles were ministers to the circumcision with the gospel of the circumcision. Galatians 2:7 to 9. They were commissioned before the Body began historically. They were baptized many months before the Body began historically. Then the Twelve were not baptized with water as members of the church of Ephesians 1:19 to 22. The apostle to the Gentiles plainly declared, “Christ sent me not to baptize”. I Corinthians 1:17. As members of the Body of Christ from which Scriptures are we to get our instructions concerning water baptism and the gospel of the grace of God? There is not a single word instructing members of Christ’s Body to be baptized.

The great majority of Christians are practicing what their human leaders have taught them; what church creeds demand of them, and seem to think that they are in the will of God because they comply with a denominational demand instead of obeying the Scriptures rightly divided.

If a man or a group of men demand a religious ceremony as a door of entrance into any of their churches and the Lord does not demand that ceremony to become a member of His Church, what is your duty? Something may happen to your church membership here below if you obey the Head of the church in the heavenlies.

Be a Berean. Ask for chapter and verse. Do not do something because it has long been a religious habit.

J.
 
Sure thing...

Where there is only one subject, the subject and verb must agree in person and number. However, if the subject is compound, then it is no longer true. For example...

Single Subject –-> All of you children come in and wash yourselves. (Single, plural subject)

Single Subject –-> Every single one of you children come in and wash yourself. (Single, singular subject)

Compound Subject –-> All of you children, every single one of you, come in and wash yourselves.

We see St. Peter use the exact same grammatical construction in his second sermon as we do in Acts 2:38...


Acts 3:26 --> "For you (plural) first, God raised up His servant, and sent him to bless you (plural) by turning every one (singular) of you from your wicked ways."


Believe the Word of God. Which way modern man? Jesus Christ or thy self???
lol

talk about talking yourself out of the truth.

The scripture can not contradict itself. Nor can Peter contradict Christ.

Peter did not tell everyone to be baptized to get saved anymore than Jesus did or paul did.

again, even in the old english, it shows to events, and two results.
 
The interpretation of water baptism unto repentance for the remission of sins, is supported by Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 3:3; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; Acts 8:12 to 16; Acts 19:3 to 7. This baptism began with the ministry of John the Baptist: Hear his own words: John 1:31:

“AND I KNEW HIM NOT: BUT THAT HE SHOULD BE MADE MANIFEST TO ISRAEL, THEREFORE AM I COME BAPTIZING WITH WATER.”

There was one baptism for God’s people while Christ was on earth. Christ’s baptism unto death took place on the cross. Luke 12:47 to 52. After the close of the Book of Acts, the statement in Ephesians 4:5, is “one baptism”. Baptism was not something new with Israel. Hebrews 9:10. But the baptism committed to John had a special significance. There were three baptisms in the “Acts” period, “water baptism”, “Holy Spirit baptism”, and “death baptism”. Acts 1:5; Acts 11:14 and 15; I Corinthians 12:13; Galatians 3:27; Acts 19:2 to 7 and Romans 8:3.

When the twelve apostles were baptized, many months before Christ’s baptism unto death, before His resurrection, the Twelve knew not what the rising from the dead meant and knew nothing concerning Christ’s death baptism. Matthew 16:21 to 23; Mark 9:10; Luke 9:44 and 45; Luke 18:31 to 34; John 20:9. Therefore we observe that the Twelve were certainly not baptized with water as an indication or acknowledgment that they had been buried with Christ by baptism. And certainly not to indicate that they had joined the Church, which is His Body. That Church was not when they were baptized. The Twelve never received the second water baptism after Christ’s death baptism. Water baptism is called by different names “a kingdom ordinance,” “a church ordinance,” “New Testament baptism”, “kingdom baptism”, “Christian baptism”. But all of these names have been suggested by men: they are not found in the Bible.

All students of the Word of God are greed that the baptism of I Corinthians 12:13 is not water baptism.

I Corinthians 12:13:

“FOR BY ONE SPIRIT ARE WE ALL BAPTIZED INTO ONE BODY, WHETHER WE BE JEWS OR GENTILES, WHETHER WE BE BOND OR FREE; AND HAVE BEEN ALL MADE TO DRINK INTO ONE SPIRIT.”

“Baptized in One Spirit into One Body.” In Ephesians 4:4 to 6 there is mention of one Body, one Spirit, one Baptism. Jews and Greeks were not baptized in one Spirit into one Body at the time John Baptist was baptizing with water that Christ might be made manifest to Israel; at the time the Twelve were baptized with water. It is one thing for Israel to have water baptism to have their Messiah manifested to them: it is quite a different thing for Israelites and Gentiles to be united in One Body by Holy Spirit baptism. John’s water baptism was in connection with Christ’s proclamation of the kingdom to Israel. Therefore there is Scriptural authority for “kingdom baptism”. But “Christian baptism” is an indefinite, uncertain expression; an expression from the pen of theologians but not found in the Bible: Some differentiate between kingdom water baptism while Christ was on earth, and what they call Christian water baptism after the Spirit came from heaven. But they cannot Scripturally prove the two different water baptisms by the experience of Twelve. According to this discrimination the Twelve never received Christian baptism; only Israelitish kingdom baptism.

If John’s baptism was New Covenant baptism, and if there is anything to the law of first occurrence, what meaning had water baptism until the last occurrence of water baptism in Acts 19:2 to 7? We should not prove the meaning by the exception to the order set forth in Acts 10:34 to 48, the experience of Cornelius and his house; remembering that Cornelius was the first Gentile to come in with the Jews who required a sign.

There is no Scriptural authority for the two-fold designation of water baptism. “kingdom baptism”, and “Christian baptism”. This is theory and tradition.

Neither has a Christian Scriptural authority for changing the order of Mark 16:16, “he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved”, to “he that believeth and is saved shall be baptized”. If we are to hold on to water on the authority of that Scripture, let us observe the order. If we do, how can we reconcile that gospel with the gospel of Romans 3:24 and Ephesians 2:8 and 9? Water baptism has no place in the message of pure grace as it had in Mark 16:16. Christ sent Paul not to baptize. I Corinthians 1:17.

This leads us to this important declaration. No Scripture instructs one member of the Body of Ephesians to baptize with water another believer who is already a member of that Body. The one baptism of Ephesians 4:5, like the one baptism of Romans 6:3, produces a spiritual change in the sinner. By that one baptism the believing sinner is identified with Christ in death, burial and resurrection. As the result of that one baptism, the believer is seated in the heavenlies in Christ and blessed with all spiritual blessings in the heavenlies. Forever is he a member of the Body of Christ. Water baptism today produces no spiritual change in any sinner or saint: Water baptism neither helps to save any sinner nor helps to keep him saved. All such messengers admit that water baptism has absolutely no efficacy to aid toward, or add to, the believer’s completeness in Christ or membership in His Body. Colossians 2:10. Water baptism is not required by God for membership in the true Church, which is the Body of Christ. Water baptism is not required for salvation or regeneration. Water baptism is not demanded as a condition for receiving the Holy Spirit. Then water baptism, according to Ephesians, and according to the admissions of present-day grace preachers, does not have the meaning that it had in Acts 2:38 and Acts 19:3 to 7 or in Acts 8:12 to 17.

What is its meaning? Can you give a Scriptural answer and not a human theory?, What men have been teaching and preaching will never satisfy the searching mind of the true Berean. Do not follow established creeds or the tradition of the elders. Church habits and Bible truth may differ. After you have prayed earnestly and searched the Scriptures, diligently and have been thereby convinced as to which of the more than one dozen interpretations, modes and signification’s practiced by orthodox Christians is demanded for members of the Body of Christ, obey the demand and then look for the man who is Scripturally qualified to baptize.

But remember; study diligently the Word of God before you answer to God, “to be or not to be baptized”. When you ask men, however spiritual they may be, as a rule they cannot give you any definite Scripture to prove that water baptism is compatible with the gospel of the grace of God. If they quote the so-called Great Commission of Matthew 28:19 and 20 and Mark 16:14 to 18, they must admit that the instructions there were given to apostles, who were not yet in the Body of Christ, apostles who will be on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Matthew 19:28). These apostles were ministers to the circumcision with the gospel of the circumcision. Galatians 2:7 to 9. They were commissioned before the Body began historically. They were baptized many months before the Body began historically. Then the Twelve were not baptized with water as members of the church of Ephesians 1:19 to 22. The apostle to the Gentiles plainly declared, “Christ sent me not to baptize”. I Corinthians 1:17. As members of the Body of Christ from which Scriptures are we to get our instructions concerning water baptism and the gospel of the grace of God? There is not a single word instructing members of Christ’s Body to be baptized.

The great majority of Christians are practicing what their human leaders have taught them; what church creeds demand of them, and seem to think that they are in the will of God because they comply with a denominational demand instead of obeying the Scriptures rightly divided.

If a man or a group of men demand a religious ceremony as a door of entrance into any of their churches and the Lord does not demand that ceremony to become a member of His Church, what is your duty? Something may happen to your church membership here below if you obey the Head of the church in the heavenlies.

Be a Berean. Ask for chapter and verse. Do not do something because it has long been a religious habit.

J.
Um no it did not

Circumcision was commanded in the OT. if you wanted to be part of Gods family. Every male must be circumcized.

yet that act did not save any child. and never will

Now if your going to try to say the OT symbol of cleaning did not save anyone,. but the NT symbol symbol of cleansing did. well there is a major flaw in this reasoning.

second, if water baptism is required. no one was saved in the OT. Paul makes it clear in romans 4 that we are saved by the same faith abraham had in the OT.
 
lol

talk about talking yourself out of the truth.

The scripture can not contradict itself. Nor can Peter contradict Christ.

Peter did not tell everyone to be baptized to get saved anymore than Jesus did or paul did.

again, even in the old english, it shows to events, and two results.
Ok, modern man. You hinged your argument on what you thought was a "gotcha" moment with a subject / verb agreement. I show you where you are wrong and give you another example from St. Peter, thereby destroying your argument, and you offer no rebuttal.

I will accept this as your de-facto concession.

You have a choice: Jesus Christ or thy self.

Choose wisely.
 
Um no it did not

Circumcision was commanded in the OT. if you wanted to be part of Gods family. Every male must be circumcized.

yet that act did not save any child. and never will

Now if your going to try to say the OT symbol of cleaning did not save anyone,. but the NT symbol symbol of cleansing did. well there is a major flaw in this reasoning.

second, if water baptism is required. no one was saved in the OT. Paul makes it clear in romans 4 that we are saved by the same faith abraham had in the OT.
Read the whole article brother--I am in agreement with you.

Read BEFORE you speak.

J.
 
Ok, modern man. You hinged your argument on what you thought was a "gotcha" moment with a subject / verb agreement. I show you where you are wrong and give you another example from St. Peter, thereby destroying your argument, and you offer no rebuttal.

I will accept this as your de-facto concession.

You have a choice: Jesus Christ or thy self.

Choose wisely.
You are a proud man are you ?

You did not prove anything.

all of your so called evidence just shown that they were talking to multiple kids telling them to do multiple things

Again, Pter did not contradict jesus.

why do you want to place your works and save yourself so much?

I boast in christ. You boast in your baptism and the one who baptized you.

thats what seperates us
 
some are so large. I just read the first part and already see an issue, then respond. sorry if I misread what your intention was. forgive me
No need to ask for forgiveness brother. Berean Bible Society is an excellent source, that's IF you are against dispensational-ism.

J.
 
was there a link with that?
Eternally-grateful


J.
 
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