Is baptism required for salvation?

[JLB]

I stated some come to the faith as adults. Meaning they would be baptized as adults.

I know you stated some come to faith as adults.

I responded and asked you if that meant they become born again. You said No.

Ok so you are saying come to faith means to you…

“Be baptized as adults”

Ok. Got it.

The Lord responded to my prayers and faith in Him.

Amen to that sir.

 

[JLB]

You do know Jesus is the Son don't you?

Yes sir.

Anyway your problem is in His words not mine. Jesus spoke the Fathers words and the Spirit speaks only what he hears from the mind of the Spirit. Thats 3 that testify but the source of the message/truth is God our Father.
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

I have given you three scriptures that show us how the Apostles baptized people in water.

Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38

Could you show a scripture where the apostles baptized people in water in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit?

I believe the name of the Father is Jesus, the name above all names.

I believe The Father gave His Name to His first born Son.

• Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me

I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one. John 17:11 NIV


I believe the name of Jesus encompasses the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

That’s why I believe we need to be baptized in water, using the name of the Lord Jesus.


I don’t invalidate others who were baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.


I’m just saying why I believe baptizing in the name of Jesus is what the apostles did, and what I do, and teach others to do.


Being born again is what matters.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Well I did ask for and received the inner gift of the Spirit of Christ at a later date as one calling on the Lord.

We are saved by grace through faith.

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Belief in your head is up to you, believe in your heart is not, it's up to the Lord, because it usually takes personal, transformative experience.

“Lord, I believe; help my unbelief!” (Mk. 9:24)

 

[Randy]

Yes sir.



I have given you three scriptures that show us how the Apostles baptized people in water.

Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38

Could you show a scripture where the apostles baptized people in water in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit?

I believe the name of the Father is Jesus, the name above all names.

I believe The Father gave His Name to His first born Son.

• Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me

I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one. John 17:11 NIV


I believe the name of Jesus encompasses the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

That’s why I believe we need to be baptized in water, using the name of the Lord Jesus.


I don’t invalidate others who were baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.


I’m just saying why I believe baptizing in the name of Jesus is what the apostles did, and what I do, and teach others to do.


Being born again is what matters.

I feel following the head of the body of Christ's directive in whose name to baptize is not in error. I don't find any fault in baptizing in Jesus's name either. The church authorities don't care what I think. They will baptize as Christ Himself directed. God is not going to find fault either way.

 

[Randy]

Belief in your head is up to you, believe in your heart is not, it's up to the Lord, because it usually takes personal, transformative experience.

“Lord, I believe; help my unbelief!” (Mk. 9:24)

I have always known Jesus lives not just believed. I can only conclude that certainty came from God my Father. His Spirit of truth. After all I was praying to Him in my mind not the Father. He didn't have a problem with that either as He never corrected me in that. After all those that listen and learn from the Father come to Him as He stated.

Those that belong to God hear what God says.

 

[Randy]

I know you stated some come to faith as adults.

I responded and asked you if that meant they become born again. You said No.

Ok so you are saying come to faith means to you…

“Be baptized as adults”

Ok. Got it.




Amen to that sir.

I suppose in a way I do mean they become born again but directly I stating they are accepting Jesus as their Lord as adults and would likewise then be baptized by the church. (coming to the faith)

 

[JLB]

I feel following the head of the body of Christ's directive in whose name to baptize is not in error. I don't find any fault in baptizing in Jesus's name either. The church authorities don't care what I think. They will baptize as Christ Himself directed. God is not going to find fault either way.

Amen.


Im hoping for some agreement to be reached in these discussions.

I know we all were raised differently and we believe what we believe because that is what we learned.

 

[Bruce.Leiter]

Where was the flame like fire on the prisoner?
Did not the Holy Spirit not come until Jesus had left?
Your timing would be off.

Not an excuse, but neither a requirement.

The Holy Spirit doesn't come with the same signs for everyone. On the evening of Jesus' resurrection, he gave the Holy Spirit to his disciples, while the Holy Spirit came on his disciples at Pentecost to enable them to witness.

Joh 20:21 Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you.”
Joh 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.

 

[Eternally-grateful]

i never said don't study scripture or implore the HS

i asked by what authority since we are not bishops having the authority of Christ as successors of the apostles

Sorry bro. You want to listen to men who call themselves bishops and put faith in them, feel free

God told us to test each spirit.. Even Paul and apostle was tested and not blindly followed

 

[Eternally-grateful]

you know & I know He is priest but most do not!

No

He is high priest.

He is the one who goes to God with the sacrifice for forgiveness. No one else can go ion

and the veil has nothing to do with priests.

It does the high priest. On the day of atonement.

the holy of holies represented heaven which was closed at the fall of adam until the atonement of the Savior!

Yes, But the holy of holies was the presence of God in the law.. Until Israel sinned

we still have priests in the new covenant as you indicated: Christ is high priest so there must be low priests of the same order

thks

Yes. The word says we are all kings and priests..

 

[Eternally-grateful]

i think they received it in the authority of paul but were just curious

It said they tested what he said.

I think they were more than just curious.. I think they refused to listen to a man, and tested what he said, like we are all commanded to do.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Those that belong to God hear what God says.

Don't be so sure about that. "Hearing" what God says like background noises amid many sounds is one thing, "listening" and focusing on what God says without distraction is another, obeying what God says by assiduous following is another.

 

[Randy]

Don't be so sure about that. "Hearing" what God says like background noises amid many sounds is one thing, "listening" and focusing on what God says without distraction is another, obeying what God says by assiduous following is another.

Those are Jesus's words not mine. Be very sure.

John 8:47

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Those are Jesus's words not mine. Be very sure.

John 8:47

I'm just telling you that in the original language, "hear" covers the "hear" "listen", "heed" AND "obey", it has all these layers of meanings wrapped into one. It was spoken in the same sense of "hear, o Israel!" and "he who has an ear, let him hear!" Anyone who's not deaf can hear, fans of Jesus may listen, but only the true followers will heed and obey.

 

[donadams]

Sorry bro. You want to listen to men who call themselves bishops and put faith in them, feel free

God told us to test each spirit.. Even Paul and apostle was tested and not blindly followed

do they care for our souls?

do they show us the way to salvation?

 

[donadams]

Sorry bro. You want to listen to men who call themselves bishops and put faith in them, feel free

God told us to test each spirit.. Even Paul and apostle was tested and not blindly followed

What does Jesus say?

Lk 10:16
Jn 13:20
matt 28:19-20
Jn 20:21-23
acts 1:8

If you believe scripture you would believe the teaching of the apostolic church which alone possesses the authority of Jesus Christ in union with Jesus Christ! matt 28:19-20 matt 16:18:19 Jn 20:21-23 acts 1:1-8

Christ is the light! (Truth)
Jn 8:12

The church he founded is also the light as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 5:14

Christ is the teacher!
Heb 1:1-3

The church He founded is also our teacher as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 18:17

Christ is the truth!
Jn 14:6

Must Hear Christ!
matt 3:17

Must hear the Church!
Matt 18:17 matt 28:19 acts 1:8

The church He founded is also the pillar of truth as an extension and command of Christ! 1 tim 3:15

The gates of hell SHALL NOT prevail against the one, holy, Catholics,
& apostolic church founded by Christ on peter and the apostles!
Matt 16:18-19

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach & sanctify all men unto eternal salvation of all men!

Christ and His church are one: Acts 9:4 mystical communion: eph 5:32

 

[donadams]

then don't believe the five sola's of the so called reformers who had no authority except the tradition of men!

Sorry bro. You want to listen to men who call themselves bishops and put faith in them, feel free

God told us to test each spirit.. Even Paul and apostle was tested and not blindly followed

 

[donadams]

No

He is high priest.

He is the one who goes to God with the sacrifice for forgiveness. No one else can go ion

It does the high priest. On the day of atonement.

Yes, But the holy of holies was the presence of God in the law.. Until Israel sinned

Yes. The word says we are all kings and priests..

royal priesthood is different from the order melchisedec?
heb 7:17
and a high priest is in authority over other priests of the same order who have the same functions!

Christ's priesthood is plural!

thks

 

[donadams]

It said they tested what he said.

I think they were more than just curious.. I think they refused to listen to a man, and tested what he said, like we are all commanded to do.

no i don't agree

in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

they believed on Paul's authority as apostle and were not challenging or disputing with Him!

they certainly had no fundentalist concept of "scripture alone"!

thks

 

[Eternally-grateful]

do they care for our souls?

do they show us the way to salvation?

If they share the word.

should you I or anyone else put our eternity in the hands of men?

If you want to feel free. But eternity is a long time to risk getting it wrong