Is baptism required for salvation?

[donadams]

I was baptized by God

As far as I know you were never even baptized sprinking is not baptism

God says it is!

ez 36:25-27

25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

 

[donadams]

I will not be. I was baptized with the HS

The chaff will be baptized in fire

Everyone will be baptized by God. Take your pick which one

I will not be. I was baptized with the HS

The chaff will be baptized in fire

Everyone will be baptized by God. Take your pick which one

thats not the fire we are baptized with! try again

 

[Eternally-grateful]

God says it is!

ez 36:25-27

25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Washing of water by the word. By gid

Not water baptism

Why are you even trying to discuss you confess you follow the church you belong to. It’s not even your teaching

 

[Eternally-grateful]

thats not the fire we are baptized with! try again

Stop listening to men

John told everyone. He baptizes with water but don’t seek him seek the one after

He will baptize you all some with the hs and some in fire

 

[donadams]

Washing of water by the word. By gid

Not water baptism

Why are you even trying to discuss you confess you follow the church you belong to. It’s not even your teaching

A sacrament is an outward sign for all men including infants And a gift from God to help us see what he does inwardly and invisibly by his grace!

As grace Washes our souls in the merits of Jesus blood from original and personal sin, so the outward action of washing is visible!

without the outward action the inward action cannot take place!

Jn 3:5 Titus 3:5 water and washing
acts 22:16 wash away your sin!

when?

Hebrews 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washedwith pure water.

 

[donadams]

Stop listening to men

John told everyone. He baptizes with water but don’t seek him seek the one after

He will baptize you all some with the hs and some in fire

ez 36:25-27
new heart!

rom 5:5 love of God

the fire is the love of God!

 

[Eternally-grateful]

A sacrament is an outward sign for all men including infants And a gift from God to help us see what he does inwardly and invisibly by his grace!

As grace Washes our souls in the merits of Jesus blood from original and personal sin, so the outward action of washing is visible!

without the outward action the inward action cannot take place!

Jn 3:5 Titus 3:5 water and washing
acts 22:16 wash away your sin!

when?

Hebrews 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washedwith pure water.

Washing of water by the word

Even Jesus said in John six it is the spirit who gives life the words he speaks are spirit and life

He told the disciples you are already clean by the words.

 

[Eternally-grateful]

ez 36:25-27
new heart!

rom 5:5 love of God

the fire is the love of God!

I got my new heart 40 years ago

I was baptized in water a year later

 

[donadams]

I got my new heart 40 years ago

I was baptized in water a year later

why? why bother? baptism is meaningless then?

Mk 16:16 he who believes is saved and baptism? don't bother

or

mk 16:16 he who believes and is baptized shall be saved?

 

[donadams]

I got my new heart 40 years ago

I was baptized in water a year later

Jn 3:5 born of water, born again by the spirit

or

Jn 3:5 born again by both WATER & THE SPIRIT

 

[Eternally-grateful]

why? why bother? baptism is meaningless then?

Mk 16:16 he who believes is saved and baptism? don't bother

or

mk 16:16 he who believes and is baptized shall be saved?

John 3 where is baptism

In fact John 1,3,4,5,6

Mark 16. Get bit by a snake you think you will live?

 

[Eternally-grateful]

Jn 3:5 born of water, born again by the spirit

or

Jn 3:5 born again by both WATER & THE SPIRIT

Show me the word baptism or baptize?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

matt 3:11 what is the fire?

Trials and tribulations. Test of our faith.

"Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire."

 

[Randy]

I'm just telling you that in the original language, "hear" covers the "hear" "listen", "heed" AND "obey", it has all these layers of meanings wrapped into one. It was spoken in the same sense of "hear, o Israel!" and "he who has an ear, let him hear!" Anyone who's not deaf can hear, fans of Jesus may listen, but only the true followers will heed and obey.

In the context of what Jesus stated it's belief, (hear and understand so that one may turn and be forgiven), in what God says if you belong to God. Likewise, the reason for unbelief, is one does not belong to God.

If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

 

[Eternally-grateful]

Trials and tribulations. Test of our faith.

"Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire."

I know a lot if churches teach this but it does not fit for many reasons

1 for this to be true John would have to be talking to all believers we know he refused to baptize many even calling the Pharisees a brood of vipers telling them of the wrath to come
2. He looked at this mixed group
If believers of God and non believers and said he baptized with water but there is one coming mightier than him. He will baptize with HS and fire

He then explains it

His winnowing fan is in his hand he separates the wheat and chaff

The wheat is separated by the baptism of the spirit and they will be put in the barn (heaven)
When this is all Completed (ie at the end of the not during their lifetime) when the chaff is all separated (the great white throne judgement) he will baptize the chaff (non believers) in fire (hell)
3 the fire is said to never be quenched. This is not representative of anything you posted in your comments. So would rule them out

Context again shows that Jesus will baptize everyone. Either with us or fire

Jesus told the disciples they would be baptized by HS he never said anything about fire

We see in acts 10 everyone who receives Christ is baptized with HS. Again nothing about fire

Either way water baptism is at best a different baptism than both of these and ls A command by God one of many commands and thus is non salvic

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

In the context of what Jesus stated it's belief, (hear and understand so that one may turn and be forgiven), in what God says if you belong to God. Likewise, the reason for unbelief, is one does not belong to God.

If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

Don't forget the parable of the Sower. Some who seem to believe immediately may drop out when facing hardship, some who don't seem to believe may take a while for the seed of gospel to sprout. Besides, I wasn't arguing about who belongs to God and who doesn't, I was breaking down the meaning of "hear". In that context, not only do you "hear", you also listen, understand, believe and heed, it's not like you just hear it like background noises and then forget about it.

 

[donadams]

Show me the word baptism or baptize?

Jn 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and BAPTIZED.

Jn 3;23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were BAPTIZED.

Jn 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and BAPTIZED more disciples than John,

 

[donadams]

Don't forget the parable of the Sower. Some who seem to believe immediately may drop out when facing hardship, some who don't seem to believe may take a while for the seed of gospel to sprout. Besides, I wasn't arguing about who belongs to God and who doesn't, I was breaking down the meaning of "hear". In that context, not only do you "hear", you also listen, understand, believe and heed, it's not like you just hear it like background noises and then forget about it.

are they not all saved? they all had faith?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

are they not all saved? they all had faith?

Depends on your understanding of the parable of the Sower. Calvinists hold a very simplistic, naive black and white view, they only see two kinds, the saved and the unsaved; I on the other hand see four according to the parable of the Sower, only the first kind is an absolute lost cause, the second and the third - i.e. the stony soil and thorny soil - have potential. They do have faith, but their faith are dead without fruit.

 

[donadams]

Depends on your understanding of the parable of the Sower. Calvinists hold a very simplistic, naive black and white view, they only see two kinds, the saved and the unsaved; I on the other hand see four according to the parable of the Sower, only the first kind is an absolute lost cause, the second and the third - i.e. the stony soil and thorny soil - have potential. They do have faith, but their faith are dead without fruit.

so you don't believe the five sola's or faith alone!