Is Being Against Tatoos the Law?

[Brother Mike]

Don't have time to reply in depth right now.

The pastor who married my wife and I bought a hot looking Camaro in the eigthies. He got in a very bizarre accident that totaled it, while he was unscathed. He took it as a sign that it was an inappropriate witness for a pastor. I agree, even though he was entirely entitled and capable of paying for one and owing it.

Well, we are talking about the 700 club. Pat seems like a good guy, but not every gift is from the Lord. One thing I have an issue with is that this Pastor was not believing God for such a car. When someone gives me something that I have not asked the Lord about, then I give it back.

Right now I have a very expensive Jack to a car someone gave to us in a large box in my living room unopened. I never asked for it and they said they wanted to sow it to me for helping them. I don't think they heard the Lord on this because my tiny hard to use Jack was good enough.

So in that respect, ya, you have a good point here.

Blessings.

Mike.

 

[farouk]

Don't have time to reply in depth right now.

The pastor who married my wife and I bought a hot looking Camaro in the eigthies. He got in a very bizarre accident that totaled it, while he was unscathed. He took it as a sign that it was an inappropriate witness for a pastor. I agree, even though he was entirely entitled and capable of paying for one and owing it.

Well, we are talking about the 700 club. Pat seems like a good guy, but not every gift is from the Lord. One thing I have an issue with is that this Pastor was not believing God for such a car. When someone gives me something that I have not asked the Lord about, then I give it back.

Right now I have a very expensive Jack to a car someone gave to us in a large box in my living room unopened. I never asked for it and they said they wanted to sow it to me for helping them. I don't think they heard the Lord on this because my tiny hard to use Jack was good enough.

So in that respect, ya, you have a good point here.

Blessings.

Mike.

[MENTION=7377]Brother Mike[/MENTION]:

Sorry, so what was your point here about tattoos?

Blessings.

 

[Brother Mike]

Sorry, so what was your point here about tattoos?

Blessings.

The first comment was based off a comment by Edward. Using a Tattoo to witness with. I then brought up the Lamborghini as a tool to use for the Lord. Then Jethro understood what I meant and brought up His experience with that pastor and car.

The whole focus come on using flesh tools or worldly tools for the Lord, the Car, Tattoo thrown in there somewhere.

So in some remote way it was all connected to the Tattoo, even if it was "VERY" remote.

Blessings.

Mike.

 

[farouk]

Sorry, so what was your point here about tattoos?

Blessings.

The first comment was based off a comment by Edward. Using a Tattoo to witness with. I then brought up the Lamborghini as a tool to use for the Lord. Then Jethro understood what I meant and brought up His experience with that pastor and car.

The whole focus come on using flesh tools or worldly tools for the Lord, the Car, Tattoo thrown in there somewhere.

So in some remote way it was all connected to the Tattoo, even if it was "VERY" remote.

Blessings.

Mike.

[MENTION=7377]Brother Mike[/MENTION]:

Ah, right, okay. Ty.

Yes, of course, Jethro; I'm sure he'll be back.

I wonder what Jethro and others would do if they inherited a tattoo parlor? i) keep it and take the income? ii) sell it as a going concern? iii) turn it into a Christian tattoo parlor? iv) bring in a bulldozer and raze it to the ground 'in case' something thought they 'agreed' (whatever this exactly means) with tattoos?



Blessings.

 

[Ryan]

Sorry, so what was your point here about tattoos?

Blessings.

The first comment was based off a comment by Edward. Using a Tattoo to witness with. I then brought up the Lamborghini as a tool to use for the Lord. Then Jethro understood what I meant and brought up His experience with that pastor and car.

The whole focus come on using flesh tools or worldly tools for the Lord, the Car, Tattoo thrown in there somewhere.

So in some remote way it was all connected to the Tattoo, even if it was "VERY" remote.

Blessings.

Mike.

[MENTION=7377]Brother Mike[/MENTION]:

Ah, right, okay. Ty.

Yes, of course, Jethro; I'm sure he'll be back.

I wonder what Jethro and others would do if they inherited a tattoo parlor? i) keep it and take the income? ii) sell it as a going concern? iii) turn it into a Christian tattoo parlor? iv) bring in a bulldozer and raze it to the ground 'in case' something thought they 'agreed' (whatever this exactly means) with tattoos?



Blessings.

I just googled tattoo images and after being rather disturbed and bothered by what people have done to their bodies, I will go with number iii). To many satan driven and inspired tattoo's would have come out of that parlor. If you aren't separate from the world, you are part of it.

Titus 2:12 instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age,
1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world.
James 4:4 You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

I won't beat around the bush Farouk, what you are advocating and suggesting is wrong and you are suckering (not all of us) Christians into going the way of the world. I was with my children at the pool a while ago, and from what I saw, not having a tattoo puts one in the minority. I am trying hard every day to be separate from the world, yet you throw an open invitation to walk in the ways of the world. Aside from personal opinions stated here and elsewhere, there has been ample enough scripture testifying to be separate from the world, etc. So why can you not just cease and desist with it? Do you really want to put God to the test?

There is no better witness then saying to someone Jesus loves them, and then to act accordingly.

 

[farouk]

I won't beat around the bush Farouk, what you are advocating and suggesting is wrong and you are suckering (not all of us) Christians into going the way of the world. I was with my children at the pool a while ago, and from what I saw, not having a tattoo puts one in the minority. I am trying hard every day to be separate from the world, yet you throw an open invitation to walk in the ways of the world. Aside from personal opinions stated here and elsewhere, there has been ample enough scripture testifying to be separate from the world, etc. So why can you not just cease and desist with it? Do you really want to put God to the test?

There is no better witness then saying to someone Jesus loves them, and then to act accordingly.

[MENTION=91415]Ryan[/MENTION]:

Thanks for your comment.

I'm not saying, Go get a tattoo. But you yourself admit that at the poolside men - and probably women - without them seemed to be in the minority. Given their profusion, their existence is hardly likely to surprise people, and if Christians also get faith based designs they can become a talking point in witness; this would be my basic observation.

No one needs to like them or even get them. They are, however, very widespread. Blessings.

 

[Ryan]

No one needs to like them or even get them. They are, however, very widespread. Blessings.

Like yeast...

 

[farouk]

No one needs to like them or even get them. They are, however, very widespread. Blessings.

Like yeast...

[MENTION=91415]Ryan[/MENTION]:

Maybe a Biblically based witness design can for some people be 'the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth' (1 Corinthians 5.8).

Blessings.

 

[Brother Mike]

I won't beat around the bush Farouk, what you are advocating and suggesting is wrong and you are suckering (not all of us) Christians into going the way of the world. I was with my children at the pool a while ago, and from what I saw, not having a tattoo puts one in the minority. I am trying hard every day to be separate from the world, yet you throw an open invitation to walk in the ways of the world.

The World eats steak everyday, since the World eats steak, am I not to eat steak?

The World looks at Porn everyday, am I suppose to look at porn? God forbid.

So the question is not what Farouk said or anyone said. The question is what does your own conscience tell you about getting a Tattoo?

If it be evil then stay far away. Nobody is advocating living for the World. There are no right or wrong answers about a tattoo because the reasons we would wear one would not be the same heart condition of those that use to the serve other gods and idols.

Anything that you can't do in faith, toward God then don't do it.

This is how we know if we are about to allow something in our life that is not good.

We need a excuse to allow it in..

Well, it's heavy metal with Christian lyrics, so It's OK to listen to........................ Is not going to cut it, as it's an excuse to violate your conscience.

MIke.

 

[Sparkey]

I've followed along with the suggestion made in other thread about a certain tattoo that could conceivably be used as a conversation starter for Christian witness. I've also followed along (in a lurker style) as that suggestion sponsored other ideas in the minds of our membership. One spoke of a fancy car and likened it to a symbol that is commonly used in the world to depict success. "Hey, be a rock-star like me..." that sort of thing. Perhaps the two thoughts touch each other because they both deal with appearances and the expression of heart matters.

I've also noticed another comment about certain designs that many tattoos may be seen to reflect. Where is the balance? Might we consider the conscience of a brother who could be stumbled as we display our freedom? That seems a noble thing, but where is the balance? Could we not consider something that the Bible does speak about? I'm talking New Testament here. Things that were taught. Things like rings. What are we to do or not do when we see a man come into the assembly of the saints who wears a symbol of wealth or authority? Are we to give preference to him and become a respecter of persons? Clearly no, we are not.

But are we to lock our doors and prevent that man's entrance? Should we act to prevent any who have something that is not perfectly in line with our current understanding of the ideal from coming to the One who Heals? I'm not trying to say that the rich can not be saved, not saying that a ring speaks louder than what rings out from his heart as God considers him. Can we drive a car when others starve? May we eat meat? Would it not be better to give all we have and follow closely as the Spirit leads? Perhaps? Is that required? Some may come and say with total conviction, "Yes! Absolutely! Look here at the Book of Opinions as I cite chapter and verse.

Others may come and advocate tasteful tattoos, designed to bring and give glory and honor to God. Still others may resist and say, "Nay! This is not for me, because of these reasons." But really? All need to remove their sandals and trust God and The Holy Spirit to their work, trust Jesus, who is seen to be knocking at our door, saying, "If any open the door and invite me in, I shall come and shall dine with him."

I have another flock, saith the Lord. This said to the Children who had a history of exile. This said to those who had an ear to hear. Today, my thought includes the ministry that we have to the heathen, also called the nations. It is not a service but a disservice to misrepresent the One who said, "Come to me, all ye who are burdened..." and pretend or to say, "It is a message of condemnation to the nations..." That is not what I hear. Not what we preach.

Is it good to give regard to the law, as a shadow of things to come? It is indeed. Is it wrong to use the law as a barrier (and I know of none who are doing this or are seeking this) to prevent the good news from reaching others? It is. That is exactly why care is needed. There is a message being taught, a lesson, and it has something to do with what Cain complained about, "What? Am I my brother's keeper?"

Yes. That is the design that is to be tattooed onto our hearts. Inscribed onto our palms - the Names of our brothers and sisters in Christ, Jesus our Lord.

 

[farouk]

I've followed along with the suggestion made in other thread about a certain tattoo that could conceivably be used as a conversation starter for Christian witness. I've also followed along (in a lurker style) as that suggestion sponsored other ideas in the minds of our membership. One spoke of a fancy car and likened it to a symbol that is commonly used in the world to depict success. "Hey, be a rock-star like me..." that sort of thing. Perhaps the two thoughts touch each other because they both deal with appearances and the expression of heart matters.

I've also noticed another comment about certain designs that many tattoos may be seen to reflect. Where is the balance? Might we consider the conscience of a brother who could be stumbled as we display our freedom? That seems a noble thing, but where is the balance? Could we not consider something that the Bible does speak about? I'm talking New Testament here. Things that were taught. Things like rings. What are we to do or not do when we see a man come into the assembly of the saints who wears a symbol of wealth or authority? Are we to give preference to him and become a respecter of persons? Clearly no, we are not.

But are we to lock our doors and prevent that man's entrance? Should we act to prevent any who have something that is not perfectly in line with our current understanding of the ideal from coming to the One who Heals? I'm not trying to say that the rich can not be saved, not saying that a ring speaks louder than what rings out from his heart as God considers him. Can we drive a car when others starve? May we eat meat? Would it not be better to give all we have and follow closely as the Spirit leads? Perhaps? Is that required? Some may come and say with total conviction, "Yes! Absolutely! Look here at the Book of Opinions as I cite chapter and verse.

Others may come and advocate tasteful tattoos, designed to bring and give glory and honor to God. Still others may resist and say, "Nay! This is not for me, because of these reasons." But really? All need to remove their sandals and trust God and The Holy Spirit to their work, trust Jesus, who is seen to be knocking at our door, saying, "If any open the door and invite me in, I shall come and shall dine with him."

I have another flock, saith the Lord. This said to the Children who had a history of exile. This said to those who had an ear to hear. Today, my thought includes the ministry that we have to the heathen, also called the nations. It is not a service but a disservice to misrepresent the One who said, "Come to me, all ye who are burdened..." and pretend or to say, "It is a message of condemnation to the nations..." That is not what I hear. Not what we preach.

Is it good to give regard to the law, as a shadow of things to come? It is indeed. Is it wrong to use the law as a barrier (and I know of none who are doing this or are seeking this) to prevent the good news from reaching others? It is. That is exactly why care is needed. There is a message being taught, a lesson, and it has something to do with what Cain complained about, "What? Am I my brother's keeper?"

Yes. That is the design that is to be tattooed onto our hearts. Inscribed onto our palms - the Names of our brothers and sisters in Christ, Jesus our Lord.

Again, another thought-provoking and profound contribution from @Sparrowhawke . Thank-you.

I guess that a decent, modest Christian tattoo design is in some ways intended to be thought-provoking: to people accustomed to the profusion of other designs, the wearer might well be hoping for the response: 'Hey this is different; this guy/this woman was thinking about something enduring and lasting, when they went under the needle'.

Thanks again.

Blessings.

 

[Ryan]

No one needs to like them or even get them. They are, however, very widespread. Blessings.

Like yeast...

@Ryan :

Maybe a Biblically based witness design can for some people be 'the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth' (1 Corinthians 5.8).

Blessings.

Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

What is truth?

Psalm 119:142<SUP class=versenum> </SUP>Your righteousness is everlasting and your law is truth.

I'll take God's truth over man's truth anyday. Sorry, can't compromise. Blessings as well.

P.S. If you want to use this verse, don't forget the context is about keeping Passover. Hopefully see you at the next seder.

 

[Northman]

[MENTION=13142]Sparrowhawke[/MENTION] Extreemly well written, and i see you touched on a bit of what some might see as the heart of the matter.

When it comes to being a man of god, an example for your children and everyone else around needing to see jesus but just cant...where exactly do freedom and balance come into play when being a stumbling block? Are they not null and void? Are you not to use the power given you to refrain?

These are tatoos we are talking about. Understood there has been a huge social push from sources that are anything but holy examples to make them the norm. The "air" still exists in our society that they are a bit...i dunno, cant come up with a better expression than "bad arse". Are the youth just going to laugh when they find out how uncool your tatoo is after you tell them what it means? As a christian should one be part of the push?

I already gave my opinion quite some time ago on the matter and it hasnt changed, i would condemn not one. I do believe there is a sort of ministy for it. As farouk has already shown us a picture of the born again dude from the band korn or corn or whatever its plain to see that someone like that can be used in a mighty way. Does everyone need to follow suit? After becoming a believer?

 

[farouk]

No one needs to like them or even get them. They are, however, very widespread. Blessings.

Like yeast...

@Ryan :

Maybe a Biblically based witness design can for some people be 'the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth' (1 Corinthians 5.8).

Blessings.

Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

What is truth?

Psalm 119:142<SUP class=versenum> </SUP>Your righteousness is everlasting and your law is truth.

I'll take God's truth over man's truth anyday. Sorry, can't compromise. Blessings as well.

P.S. If you want to use this verse, don't forget the context is about keeping Passover. Hopefully see you at the next seder.

Actually in 1 Corinthians 5 Paul wasn't advocating going back to Judaism, but this is another matter.

What would be nice is for there to be some recognition that, while some Christians might be strongly motivated in their conscience not to get a tattoo, there may be other Christians, with their witness effectiveness in mind, who might actually be stirred positively in their conscience to get faith based designs.

Blessings.

 

[farouk]

@Sparrowhawke Extreemly well written, and i see you touched on a bit of what some might see as the heart of the matter.

[MENTION=96314]Northman[/MENTION]:

Yes, we're privileged to have [MENTION=13142]Sparrowhawke[/MENTION] contribute his heatbeat so thoughtfully.

I already gave my opinion quite some time ago on the matter and it hasnt changed, i would condemn not one. I do believe there is a sort of ministy for it. As farouk has already shown us a picture of the born again dude from the band korn or corn or whatever its plain to see that someone like that can be used in a mighty way. ...

Undoubtedly a lot of Christians do want to use it in witness, anyway. We must remember also that always it's God that gives the increase; it's not merely by our efforts.

Blessings.

 

[Ryan]

So the question is not what Farouk said or anyone said. The question is what does your own conscience tell you about getting a Tattoo?
.

Well, my gut is telling me it is wrong. But I use God's word to guide my life, and very often to find and correct the faults in my life. Ample upon ample of scripture has been provided in other related threads like this that to follow in the ways and the customs of the world is wrong. Jethro has clearly elaborated based on God's word why tattooing is wrong for a Christian. So how can one argue against God? Although God didn't say it, my mom used to say "Better to be safe, then sorry." Or, being careful is probably more desirable then risking a bad result.

 

[farouk]

So the question is not what Farouk said or anyone said. The question is what does your own conscience tell you about getting a Tattoo?
.

Well, my gut is telling me it is wrong. But I use God's word to guide my life, and very often to find and correct the faults in my life. Ample upon ample of scripture has been provided in other related threads like this that to follow in the ways and the customs of the world is wrong. Jethro has clearly elaborated based on God's word why tattooing is wrong for a Christian. So how can one argue against God? Although God didn't say it, my mom used to say "Better to be safe, then sorry." Or, being careful is probably more desirable then risking a bad result.

...and certainly your 'gut' and your conscience validates your stance for you. This is fine.

Blessings.

 

[Ryan]

@Ryan :

Maybe a Biblically based witness design can for some people be 'the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth' (1 Corinthians 5.8).

Blessings.

Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

What is truth?

Psalm 119:142<SUP class=versenum> </SUP>Your righteousness is everlasting and your law is truth.

I'll take God's truth over man's truth anyday. Sorry, can't compromise. Blessings as well.

P.S. If you want to use this verse, don't forget the context is about keeping Passover. Hopefully see you at the next seder.

Actually in 1 Corinthians 5 Paul wasn't advocating going back to Judaism, but this is another matter.

What would be nice is for there to be some recognition that, while some Christians might be strongly motivated in their conscience not to get a tattoo, there may be other Christians, with their witness effectiveness in mind, who might actually be stirred positively in their conscience to get faith based designs.

Blessings.

Psalm 118:8<SUP class=versenum> </SUP>It is <SUP class=crossreference value='(A)'></SUP>better to take refuge in the Lord
than to trust in man

God's Word says not to be conformed to this world, Romans 12:2. God:2 Farouk:0

Come on Farouk, something as disputable as this why are you continuing to support, encourage and advocate it? If it is bringing strife, disunity, arguments, quarrelling, in the body of Christ, why continue on with it? You have made your point, time to drop it don't you think?

 

[Ryan]

So the question is not what Farouk said or anyone said. The question is what does your own conscience tell you about getting a Tattoo?
.

Well, my gut is telling me it is wrong. But I use God's word to guide my life, and very often to find and correct the faults in my life. Ample upon ample of scripture has been provided in other related threads like this that to follow in the ways and the customs of the world is wrong. Jethro has clearly elaborated based on God's word why tattooing is wrong for a Christian. So how can one argue against God? Although God didn't say it, my mom used to say "Better to be safe, then sorry." Or, being careful is probably more desirable then risking a bad result.

...and certainly your 'gut' and your conscience validates your stance for you. This is fine.

Blessings.

Psalm 119:105 Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path.

I prefer walking by God's lamp in this dark and evil world.

 

[farouk]

@Ryan :

Maybe a Biblically based witness design can for some people be 'the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth' (1 Corinthians 5.8).

Blessings.

Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

What is truth?

Psalm 119:142<SUP class=versenum> </SUP>Your righteousness is everlasting and your law is truth.

I'll take God's truth over man's truth anyday. Sorry, can't compromise. Blessings as well.

P.S. If you want to use this verse, don't forget the context is about keeping Passover. Hopefully see you at the next seder.

Actually in 1 Corinthians 5 Paul wasn't advocating going back to Judaism, but this is another matter.

What would be nice is for there to be some recognition that, while some Christians might be strongly motivated in their conscience not to get a tattoo, there may be other Christians, with their witness effectiveness in mind, who might actually be stirred positively in their conscience to get faith based designs.

Blessings.

Psalm 118:8<SUP class=versenum> </SUP>It is <SUP class=crossreference value='(A)'></SUP>better to take refuge in the Lord
than to trust in man

God's Word says not to be conformed to this world, Romans 12:2. God:2 Farouk:0

Come on Farouk, something as disputable as this why are you continuing to support, encourage and advocate it? If it is bringing strife, disunity, arguments, quarrelling, in the body of Christ, why continue on with it? You have made your point, time to drop it don't you think?

Neither of those verses mention tattoos.

I'm not saying to people, either, that they should go get tattoos.

Blessings.