Is Being Against Tatoos the Law?

[farouk]

So the question is not what Farouk said or anyone said. The question is what does your own conscience tell you about getting a Tattoo?
.

Well, my gut is telling me it is wrong. But I use God's word to guide my life, and very often to find and correct the faults in my life. Ample upon ample of scripture has been provided in other related threads like this that to follow in the ways and the customs of the world is wrong. Jethro has clearly elaborated based on God's word why tattooing is wrong for a Christian. So how can one argue against God? Although God didn't say it, my mom used to say "Better to be safe, then sorry." Or, being careful is probably more desirable then risking a bad result.

...and certainly your 'gut' and your conscience validates your stance for you. This is fine.

Blessings.

Psalm 119:105 Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path.

I prefer walking by God's lamp in this dark and evil world.

And I agree wholeheartedly with you in the relevance of this verse.

Blessings.

 

[Ryan]

Actually in 1 Corinthians 5 Paul wasn't advocating going back to Judaism, but this is another matter.

What would be nice is for there to be some recognition that, while some Christians might be strongly motivated in their conscience not to get a tattoo, there may be other Christians, with their witness effectiveness in mind, who might actually be stirred positively in their conscience to get faith based designs.

Blessings.

Psalm 118:8<SUP class=versenum> </SUP>It is <SUP class=crossreference value='(A)'></SUP>better to take refuge in the Lord
than to trust in man

God's Word says not to be conformed to this world, Romans 12:2. God:2 Farouk:0

Come on Farouk, something as disputable as this why are you continuing to support, encourage and advocate it? If it is bringing strife, disunity, arguments, quarrelling, in the body of Christ, why continue on with it? You have made your point, time to drop it don't you think?

Neither of those verses mention tattoos.

I'm not saying to people, either, that they should go get tattoos.

Blessings.

Not sure if serious, but do you need it explicitly laid out in the bible that images of child pornography on a computer is wrong? I don't see in the bible where it says shooting up with heroin is wrong. So by the absence of a verse like that, can we now assume that shooting up with heroin is OK with God? That is what you are saying, in the absence of certain verses, we can now justify those two behaviours as being OK, right?

God has tied tattooing as a pagan custom associated with the pagans. I want none of that world, and why you do as well, is beyond me.

 

[farouk]

Not sure if serious, but do you need it explicitly laid out in the bible that images of child pornography on a computer is wrong? I don't see in the bible where it says shooting up with heroin is wrong. So by the absence of a verse like that, can we now assume that shooting up with heroin is OK with God? That is what you are saying, in the absence of certain verses, we can now justify those two behaviours as being OK, right?

God has tied tattooing as a pagan custom associated with the pagans. I want none of that world, and why you do as well, is beyond me.

Well, I'm not sure if I'm the one who supposedly isn't being serious.

In discussing this subject, there have been references, above, to faith based tattoos (whether Christian fish sign <>< on a wrist, Bible ref., etc.) as a means of witness that some Christians might be motivated for.

Now you're seemingly linking the subject and discussion to child pornography, heroin use, etc.

Sorry, I won't go there. I have nothing to say.

Blessings.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

God intends to make us perfect through Jesus Christ.
The process won't be complete until we enter the next world.
He deals with each one of us individually one step at a time.

For one, tatoos aren't even an issue.
Many other things need to be done instead.
For others, tatoos can wait as there are far more important issues to work on.

As we take our eyes off of the world and put them on Jesus Christ, we begin to see things the way Jesus meant for us to see things.

 

[farouk]

God intends to make us perfect through Jesus Christ.
The process won't be complete until we enter the next world.
He deals with each one of us individually one step at a time.

For one, tatoos aren't even an issue.
Many other things need to be done instead.
For others, tatoos can wait as there are far more important issues to work on.

As we take our eyes off of the world and put them on Jesus Christ, we begin to see things the way Jesus meant for us to see things.

[MENTION=92945]allenwynne[/MENTION]:

Yes, I agree. The hymn says: '...and the things of earth with grow strangely dim, in the light of His glory and grace'.

Blessings.

 

[Ryan]

You said...

Actually in 1 Corinthians 5 Paul wasn't advocating going back to Judaism, but this is another matter.

What would be nice is for there to be some recognition that, while some Christians might be strongly motivated in their conscience not to get a tattoo, there may be other Christians, with their witness effectiveness in mind, who might actually be stirred positively in their conscience to get faith based designs.

Blessings.

Psalm 118:8<SUP class=versenum> </SUP>It is <SUP class=crossreference value='(A)'></SUP>better to take refuge in the Lord
than to trust in man

God's Word says not to be conformed to this world, Romans 12:2. God:2 Farouk:0

Come on Farouk, something as disputable as this why are you continuing to support, encourage and advocate it? If it is bringing strife, disunity, arguments, quarrelling, in the body of Christ, why continue on with it? You have made your point, time to drop it don't you think?

Neither of those verses mention tattoos.

I'm not saying to people, either, that they should go get tattoos.

Blessings.

Not sure if serious, but do you need it explicitly laid out in the bible that images of child pornography on a computer is wrong? I don't see in the bible where it says shooting up with heroin is wrong. So by the absence of a verse like that, can we now assume that shooting up with heroin is OK with God? That is what you are saying, in the absence of certain verses, we can now justify those two behaviours as being OK, right?

God has tied tattooing as a pagan custom associated with the pagans. I want none of that world, and why you do as well, is beyond me.

Well, I'm not sure if I'm the one who supposedly isn't being serious.

In discussing this subject, there have been references, above, to faith based tattoos (whether Christian fish sign <>< on a wrist, Bible ref., etc.) as a means of witness that some Christians might be motivated for.

Now you're seemingly linking the subject and discussion to child pornography, heroin use, etc.

Sorry, I won't go there. I have nothing to say.

Blessings.

You are using the logic that in absence of a verse not to get a tattoo (although I could use Leviticus to say otherwise, but you are a "NT believer"(whatever that means)) that it has to be spelt out in black and white in the NT for you to believe that it is wrong. The point is God says not to be conformed to THIS WORLD. Is smoking in the bible? No. Should a Christian do it? No. Why not then? Because the world does it, that is why. By your argument, having pornography on the computer and shooting up heroin is not a sin cause it is not specifically mentioned in the bible. That is your logic to the argument, not mine.

 

[farouk]

You said...

Not sure if serious, but do you need it explicitly laid out in the bible that images of child pornography on a computer is wrong? I don't see in the bible where it says shooting up with heroin is wrong. So by the absence of a verse like that, can we now assume that shooting up with heroin is OK with God? That is what you are saying, in the absence of certain verses, we can now justify those two behaviours as being OK, right?

God has tied tattooing as a pagan custom associated with the pagans. I want none of that world, and why you do as well, is beyond me.

Well, I'm not sure if I'm the one who supposedly isn't being serious.

In discussing this subject, there have been references, above, to faith based tattoos (whether Christian fish sign <>< on a wrist, Bible ref., etc.) as a means of witness that some Christians might be motivated for.

Now you're seemingly linking the subject and discussion to child pornography, heroin use, etc.

Sorry, I won't go there. I have nothing to say.

Blessings.

You are using the logic that in absence of a verse not to get a tattoo (although I could use Leviticus to say otherwise, but you are a "NT believer"(whatever that means)) that it has to be spelt out in black and white in the NT for you to believe that it is wrong. The point is God says not to be conformed to THIS WORLD. Is smoking in the bible? No. Should a Christian do it? No. Why not then? Because the world does it, that is why. By your argument, having pornography on the computer and shooting up heroin is not a sin cause it is not specifically mentioned in the bible. That is your logic to the argument, not mine.

[MENTION=91415]Ryan[/MENTION]: But you're introducing criminal gross indulgences as being supposedly on a par with some Christians' wish to display a faith based design on a wrist or foot or whatever. I don't see the logic there, frankly.

Blessings.

 

[farouk]

God intends to make us perfect through Jesus Christ.
The process won't be complete until we enter the next world.
He deals with each one of us individually one step at a time.

For one, tatoos aren't even an issue.
Many other things need to be done instead.
For others, tatoos can wait as there are far more important issues to work on.

As we take our eyes off of the world and put them on Jesus Christ, we begin to see things the way Jesus meant for us to see things.

Hey, what's the big idea, coming right to the point?!

[MENTION=90700]Edward[/MENTION]: I thought it was a good post, anyway.

Blessings.

 

[Ryan]

You said...

Not sure if serious, but do you need it explicitly laid out in the bible that images of child pornography on a computer is wrong? I don't see in the bible where it says shooting up with heroin is wrong. So by the absence of a verse like that, can we now assume that shooting up with heroin is OK with God? That is what you are saying, in the absence of certain verses, we can now justify those two behaviours as being OK, right?

God has tied tattooing as a pagan custom associated with the pagans. I want none of that world, and why you do as well, is beyond me.

Well, I'm not sure if I'm the one who supposedly isn't being serious.

In discussing this subject, there have been references, above, to faith based tattoos (whether Christian fish sign <>< on a wrist, Bible ref., etc.) as a means of witness that some Christians might be motivated for.

Now you're seemingly linking the subject and discussion to child pornography, heroin use, etc.

Sorry, I won't go there. I have nothing to say.

Blessings.

You are using the logic that in absence of a verse not to get a tattoo (although I could use Leviticus to say otherwise, but you are a "NT believer"(whatever that means)) that it has to be spelt out in black and white in the NT for you to believe that it is wrong. The point is God says not to be conformed to THIS WORLD. Is smoking in the bible? No. Should a Christian do it? No. Why not then? Because the world does it, that is why. By your argument, having pornography on the computer and shooting up heroin is not a sin cause it is not specifically mentioned in the bible. That is your logic to the argument, not mine.

[MENTION=91415]Ryan[/MENTION]: But you're introducing criminal gross indulgences as being supposedly on a par with some Christians' wish to display a faith based design on a wrist or foot or whatever. I don't see the logic there, frankly.

Blessings.

Is it a sin, Yes or no to look at pornographic images on a computer, or shooting up heroin? Show me the verses please in the bible.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

You said...

Not sure if serious, but do you need it explicitly laid out in the bible that images of child pornography on a computer is wrong? I don't see in the bible where it says shooting up with heroin is wrong. So by the absence of a verse like that, can we now assume that shooting up with heroin is OK with God? That is what you are saying, in the absence of certain verses, we can now justify those two behaviours as being OK, right?

God has tied tattooing as a pagan custom associated with the pagans. I want none of that world, and why you do as well, is beyond me.

Well, I'm not sure if I'm the one who supposedly isn't being serious.

In discussing this subject, there have been references, above, to faith based tattoos (whether Christian fish sign <>< on a wrist, Bible ref., etc.) as a means of witness that some Christians might be motivated for.

Now you're seemingly linking the subject and discussion to child pornography, heroin use, etc.

Sorry, I won't go there. I have nothing to say.

Blessings.

You are using the logic that in absence of a verse not to get a tattoo (although I could use Leviticus to say otherwise, but you are a "NT believer"(whatever that means)) that it has to be spelt out in black and white in the NT for you to believe that it is wrong. The point is God says not to be conformed to THIS WORLD. Is smoking in the bible? No. Should a Christian do it? No. Why not then? Because the world does it, that is why. By your argument, having pornography on the computer and shooting up heroin is not a sin cause it is not specifically mentioned in the bible. That is your logic to the argument, not mine.

Ryan, I know you mean well but your logic is not completely sound, or needs further explanation, or something.
By your logic, I shouldn't drink coffee, because it's not in the Bible.
That is actually a caveman way of thinking.

 

[farouk]

You are using the logic that in absence of a verse not to get a tattoo (although I could use Leviticus to say otherwise, but you are a "NT believer"(whatever that means)) that it has to be spelt out in black and white in the NT for you to believe that it is wrong. The point is God says not to be conformed to THIS WORLD. Is smoking in the bible? No. Should a Christian do it? No. Why not then? Because the world does it, that is why. By your argument, having pornography on the computer and shooting up heroin is not a sin cause it is not specifically mentioned in the bible. That is your logic to the argument, not mine.

Along these lines, and with no offense intended to my dear brother Farouk, I would gently suggest that while you do in fact have a point that it is certainly possible to have a faith based tattoo be instrumental in witnessing to a fellow man, for it is true that all things work together for those who love God....that...Me thinks thou do protest too much in support of tattoos. Perhaps?

Blessings.

[MENTION=90700]Edward[/MENTION]: Actually I'm not saying to anyone, go get a tattoo. In fact I don't recall ever saying so.

When I wasn't online, a bunch of folks posted things on the thread without me responding; I happen to be online, so I do respond. I guess this is it.

Blessings.

 

[farouk]

You said...



You are using the logic that in absence of a verse not to get a tattoo (although I could use Leviticus to say otherwise, but you are a "NT believer"(whatever that means)) that it has to be spelt out in black and white in the NT for you to believe that it is wrong. The point is God says not to be conformed to THIS WORLD. Is smoking in the bible? No. Should a Christian do it? No. Why not then? Because the world does it, that is why. By your argument, having pornography on the computer and shooting up heroin is not a sin cause it is not specifically mentioned in the bible. That is your logic to the argument, not mine.

[MENTION=91415]Ryan[/MENTION]: But you're introducing criminal gross indulgences as being supposedly on a par with some Christians' wish to display a faith based design on a wrist or foot or whatever. I don't see the logic there, frankly.

Blessings.

Is it a sin, Yes or no to look at pornographic images on a computer, or shooting up heroin? Show me the verses please in the bible.

They are variously criminal, suicidal and lustful; about all of which there would be Scriptures.

They have nothing to do with faith based designs obtained with a view to facilitate witness.

Blessings.

 

[Sparkey]

Huh? Did somebody mention LAW??

With thanks for the praises of others, that one known as Sparrow points to the reflections found in Psalm 1 and one of the promises made to those who are staid in and remain fixed upon the goodness of every word that proceeds out of the Mouth of God. Heaven and earth has passed away and every tear has been wiped from every eye. We are there, my friends, we are THERE!

[Psa 1:1-6 ESV]
Blessed is the man

who walks not in the counsel of the wicked,
nor stands in the way of sinners,
nor sits in the seat of scoffers;
​

But his delight is in the law of the LORD, [Oh! The law]

and on his law he meditates day and night.​

He is like a tree

planted by streams of water
that yields its fruit in its season,
and its leaf does not wither.​

In all that he does, he prospers.

The wicked are not so,

but are like chaff that the wind drives away.
Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment,
nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous;​

For the LORD knows the way of the righteous,
but the way of the wicked will perish.

And yes, even as my faith causes me to call out to the one who walks on water and to leap out of the boat, my eye looks down, and my circumstance causes me to sink, and to know, that with the clasp of the hand of the Lord I may also not drown. Saying this and boldly going where my mouth is strictly prohibited, known well, by this one, a Moderator, thoroughly versed in the ToS, I proceed and point to another symbol, this one in antithesis or (anti-thesis) and offed by way of contrast.

Yes, that bow of promise. We are told and given a promise, caused to know something that others do not know. It's not about the newness of Microsoft Windows and not about the symbolic clouds of promise, promises that do not contain life, it is not about the unity of all men, not about a common mixture of light as reflected by the prism of the clouds to mean that sin may abound with His blessing, No. It is not. Notice please that I do take care as I speak and almost touch on things left better unsaid.

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This symbol, is a symbol of promise. Can others make use of it for a purpose not first intended? They have. Will that last? Not eternally, no. Through my lifetime? As the magic 8-ball has said, "All signs point to this."

Would I like to get a tat of a rainbow? Sure! Will I? Again, as the magic 9-Ball of my life has said, "It is doubtful." Delighting in the word play, he continues, "Have I been snookered?"

:yes Not yet, look at this bank shot:

Terms of Service 2.4

2.4: No Trolling. Do not make an inflammatory remark just to get a response. Address issues not personalities. Respect where people are in their spiritual walk, and respect all others in general. Respect where others are in their spiritual walk, do not disrupt the flow of discussion or act in a way that affects others negatively including when debating doctrinal issues, in the defense of the Christian faith, and in offering unwelcome spiritual advice.

It is a violation to misquote or misrepresent another member. Do not flood a forum or thread with similar posts, or many posts in succession. Allow others a chance to speak and be heard.

See? And I did not even need to mention section 2.1

Have fun, speak in truth and kindness --and know that you are loved!

 

[Ryan]

Actually in 1 Corinthians 5 Paul wasn't advocating going back to Judaism, but this is another matter.

What would be nice is for there to be some recognition that, while some Christians might be strongly motivated in their conscience not to get a tattoo, there may be other Christians, with their witness effectiveness in mind, who might actually be stirred positively in their conscience to get faith based designs.

Blessings.

Psalm 118:8<SUP class=versenum> </SUP>It is <SUP class=crossreference value='(A)'></SUP>better to take refuge in the Lord
than to trust in man

God's Word says not to be conformed to this world, Romans 12:2. God:2 Farouk:0

Come on Farouk, something as disputable as this why are you continuing to support, encourage and advocate it? If it is bringing strife, disunity, arguments, quarrelling, in the body of Christ, why continue on with it? You have made your point, time to drop it don't you think?

Neither of those verses mention tattoos.

I'm not saying to people, either, that they should go get tattoos.

Blessings.

Let's back up for a sec and maybe you can understand my argument [MENTION=92945]allenwynne[/MENTION] and me mirroring Farouks logic which is why it doesn't make much sense. I used Romans 12:2 as an example of us being instructed not to be conformed to the behaviours of this world. Farouk then essentially said because Romans 12:2 doesn't state tattoos, opened up the door to the possibility because it never states against tattoos, one can as we now have "liberty" as I have read farouk quote repeatedly. I countered then if that is the case, then one could argue for watching porno, or shooting up, none of which is stated specifically in the bible. The fact is one has to look at the entire body of scriptures to know what is right, and what is wrong. That includes what is written in the OT.

2 Timothy 3:15-17 <SUP> </SUP>and that <SUP class=crossreference value='(AP)'></SUP>from childhood you have known <SUP class=crossreference value='(AQ)'></SUP>the sacred writings which are able to <SUP class=crossreference value='(AR)'></SUP>give you the wisdom that leads to <SUP class=crossreference value='(AS)'></SUP>salvation through faith which is in <SUP class=crossreference value='(AT)'></SUP>Christ Jesus. <SUP class=versenum>16 </SUP><SUP class=crossreference value='(AU)'></SUP>All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; <SUP class=versenum>17 </SUP>so that <SUP class=crossreference value='(AV)'></SUP>the man of God may be adequate, <SUP class=crossreference value='(AW)'></SUP>equipped for every good work.

The letter to Timothy was only speaking of the OT, as that was the only scriptures they had at the time. The fact is, the principles throughout the entire body of scriptures obviously speak against such behaviours. However, for us "law keepers" getting picked on for picking and choosing which commandments we follow, the same can be said for the "NT believer" picking and choosing which commandments are relevant to only them. Tattooing is a practice of the world, always has been, always will be no matter how much we try and Christianize it and put a Jesus spin to it.

 

[Nick]

For what it's worth, I voted yes. I think it should be cautiously approached, however.

You voted "yes" that Christians should have tattoos? Respectfully, I will choose to absent myself of this opinion and will refrain from getting a tat. Not trying to say that your opinion doesn't matter, but only that it does not matter, as it applies to me.

Just by the way, I know that is not what you meant. Just as you know that I can rightly be called a member of a stiff-necked, and stubborn people. I prefer the term, 'peculiar', and do indeed love to give regard (but not pin my hopes on) the Law.

The poll was badly worded with not the correct options. What my vote means, is that I believe Christians can get tattoos. I don't believe they should, as in they have to. It's a personal choice, IMO.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

The poll was badly worded with not the correct options. What my vote means, is that I believe Christians can get tattoos. I don't believe they should, as in they have to. It's a personal choice, IMO

Mea Culpa.
I messed up.

 

[Nick]

LOL looks like we're once again beating the dead horse!

For what it's worth, I voted yes. I think it should be cautiously approached, however.

Some of us want to make sure the dead horse stays on the side of 'don't get them--for the purpose of maintaining good Christian witness to the pagans'.

Well just so you know, it's a cultural thing. Where I live, I don't know anyone who associates tattoos with pagan rituals.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Let's back up for a sec and maybe you can understand my argument

So does that mean I can still drink coffee?
How about cigarettes?

 

[Ryan]

Let's back up for a sec and maybe you can understand my argument

So does that mean I can still drink coffee?
How about cigarettes?

Yes, as long as it has the K for Kosher brand coffee and cigarettes. Drink and smoke to your heart's content. ;)

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Let's back up for a sec and maybe you can understand my argument

So does that mean I can still drink coffee?
How about cigarettes?

Yes, as long as it has the K for Kosher brand coffee and cigarettes. Drink and smoke to your heart's content. ;)

Lol, I'll laugh with you even though you seem to be making fun of me.