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Is Being Against Tatoos the Law?

Should Christians Have Tatoos?

  • Yes

    Votes: 6 21.4%
  • No

    Votes: 16 57.1%
  • Pontius Pilate (I wash my hands)

    Votes: 3 10.7%
  • Don't be silly!

    Votes: 3 10.7%
  • It's not the Baptist thing to do!

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • The Church of the Enlightened Path does it!

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    28
We should all strive to be like Jesus. He was not known to have tattoos. However, we shouldn't judge others. Almost everyone has their vice. Not one like another but weak and uninformed in our own way. I think attention to ones own sin is more important than pointing out others mistakes.
 
Fembot said:
We should all strive to be like Jesus. He was not known to have tattoos. However, we shouldn't judge others. Almost everyone has their vice. Not one like another but weak and uninformed in our own way. I think attention to ones own sin is more important than pointing out others mistakes

Good answer!

According to the law its forbidden TOG mention that earlier on. In the New Testament we are no longer under the law we are freed from it. I guess it depends on who we're trying to please "our inner man" "others" or "Jesus"

tob
 
The OT Scripture speaks about marking our bodies ... but it puts in a proviso, that we do not mark as the heathen do, right? Let's look. I don't have it memorized and others are welcome to contribute if I've missed something (which is likely).

DISCLAIMER: I don't know Kevin but Google does:
Kevin Hardy article said:
"What does the Bible say about Tattoos/Body Piercings?"

The Old Testament law commanded the Israelites, “Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD.” Lev. 19:28 So even though believers today are not under the OT law (Rom. 10:4; Gal 3:23-25; Eph. 2:15), the fact remains that there was a command against tattoos should raise some questions. The NT does not say anything about whether or not a believer should get a tattoo or piercing.

Most Bible commentaries indicate that the prohibition against tattoos and piecing in the OT had to do with idolatry. The Israelites were called to be a Holy people in a covenant relationship with the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Tattoos were used as a way to identify the one being marked as belonging to a false “god”. God did not want His people to adopt any religious practices from other false religions. The marking for His people would be circumcision of all males. This would identify his people externally. By the way, the NT goes deeper than the flesh, by encouraging the circumcision of the heart. Paul says, “In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ,” Col. 2:11

Although the NT does not condemn tattoos or body piercing like the OT, it is clear from other scriptures that the issue has more to do with the heart than the tattoo. The NT clearly states, “Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.” 1 Cor. 6:19-20 This principle teaches us that we should constantly evaluate what we are doing to our bodies physically, as well as mentally and emotionally. Does the tattoo or piercing honor God? If our bodies belong to God, we should make sure we have His clear “permission” before we “mark them up” with tattoos or body piercing.

ONE PRACTICAL (Pragmatic?) APPLICATION:

Approximately 12 days ago, I went to the doctor's office to seek treatment for a cyst that has been getting bigger for the last four months. The doctor probed it with a needle and prescribed a 10-day course of antibiotics. About six days ago the cyst on my neck opened up after I had taken a bath and began to drain on its own. I called the doctor's office and advised them telling them that I would like to keep my appointment and have the doctor lance it.

During the course of the antibiotics I had spoken with my son, as is my habit, and let him know what was going on with his dad. He knows how my mind works and gave me his unsolicited assurance, "Dad? You know that you can't hurt God by killing germs." I smiled at his little joke and agreed.

When I kept my appointment the doctor (who also knows me very well) entered the waiting area and simply said, "Do you want me to cut you?" I signed the consent forms, indemnifying him and stated that I was giving my 'informed consent' and upon review that all medical procedures and all necessary equipment was at hand, he did what is called an "I & D" (Incision and Drainage) procedure. He packed the wound and told me to make an appointment in two days (yesterday) to have the wound unpacked and dressed.

Okay, I know it's gonna leave a scar. And further, I know that this "body piercing" is going to leave a greater (larger) scar than a simple incision because it was kept open for drainage for that 2 day period. Yesterday, I had my son do me a favor and we unpacked it and dressed it ourselves. No worries, we are well equipped and able. I called and canceled the appointment at the office just because I'm too tight with money and recently have had to tighten my belt to the point that it squeaks.

Now, what about me marking my body? Am I given an exemption or a "get out of jail free" card? What would Jesus say? Would he not just lay hands or do whatever it was that the Spirit Holy told him to do? Is He not real to me?

What is that judgment that may be applied to one brother and not to another? Let's be sure that we do not judge by our ears, do not judge by our eyes, but that we make righteous judgments. That's what I hear when I read the bible and that's what I hope everybody may say "amen" to.
 
[truncated for brevity by Sparrow]
Now, what about me marking my body? Am I given an exemption or a "get out of jail free" card? What would Jesus say? Would he not just lay hands or do whatever it was that the Spirit Holy told him to do? Is He not real to me?

What is that judgment that may be applied to one brother and not to another? Let's be sure that we do not judge by our ears, do not judge by our eyes, but that we make righteous judgments. That's what I hear when I read the bible and that's what I hope everybody may say "amen" to.


Sparrowhawke: Hope your wound heals well. :pray

Sorry about your difficulty.

Blessings.
 
Sparrowhawke: Hope your wound heals well.

Sorry about your difficulty.

Blessings.

Well, I am diagnosed as diabetic so healing is a concern. To allow my body to do this well, I must maintain a healthy diet and get exercise as well as follow the other suggestions that my physician (who has taken an oath to do no harm) prescribes.

Short story made long? Sure: It's doing great! Thank you.

I still think that this type of "body piercing" is allowed and when I consider things that we, as Christians may do? I don't know how to rightly use a scale that is balanced for my side more than for another brother except as something that is called an abomination. May I apply grace to one wound and not to another? May I declare what is good for me in the small scale is not good for the Body of Christ in the larger sense?

What is this? How may we fight one against another and all the while claim to be desirous of that Peace that surpasses our understanding. One step at a time? Okay, this is just a single step. One made in faith and *now* I ask: "Is there anything that may be done in faith that has effect on only one person?"
 
The OT Scripture speaks about marking our bodies ... but it puts in a proviso, that we do not mark as the heathen do, right? Let's look. I don't have it memorized and others are welcome to contribute if I've missed something (which is likely).

DISCLAIMER: I don't know Kevin but Google does:


ONE PRACTICAL (Pragmatic?) APPLICATION:

Approximately 12 days ago, I went to the doctor's office to seek treatment for a cyst that has been getting bigger for the last four months. The doctor probed it with a needle and prescribed a 10-day course of antibiotics. About six days ago the cyst on my neck opened up after I had taken a bath and began to drain on its own. I called the doctor's office and advised them telling them that I would like to keep my appointment and have the doctor lance it.

During the course of the antibiotics I had spoken with my son, as is my habit, and let him know what was going on with his dad. He knows how my mind works and gave me his unsolicited assurance, "Dad? You know that you can't hurt God by killing germs." I smiled at his little joke and agreed.

When I kept my appointment the doctor (who also knows me very well) entered the waiting area and simply said, "Do you want me to cut you?" I signed the consent forms, indemnifying him and stated that I was giving my 'informed consent' and upon review that all medical procedures and all necessary equipment was at hand, he did what is called an "I & D" (Incision and Drainage) procedure. He packed the wound and told me to make an appointment in two days (yesterday) to have the wound unpacked and dressed.

Okay, I know it's gonna leave a scar. And further, I know that this "body piercing" is going to leave a greater (larger) scar than a simple incision because it was kept open for drainage for that 2 day period. Yesterday, I had my son do me a favor and we unpacked it and dressed it ourselves. No worries, we are well equipped and able. I called and canceled the appointment at the office just because I'm too tight with money and recently have had to tighten my belt to the point that it squeaks.

Now, what about me marking my body? Am I given an exemption or a "get out of jail free" card? What would Jesus say? Would he not just lay hands or do whatever it was that the Spirit Holy told him to do? Is He not real to me?

What is that judgment that may be applied to one brother and not to another? Let's be sure that we do not judge by our ears, do not judge by our eyes, but that we make righteous judgments. That's what I hear when I read the bible and that's what I hope everybody may say "amen" to.

Sparrowhawke:

Sorry about your diabetes complications.

But then I don't think you were planning to head to the parlor any time soon, in any case...

Blessings.
 
@Nick: So how do you like the new site? soon we'll be as accustomed to it, a bit like your brother getting accustomed to his tattoo, right? it will soon be regarded as just part of him!

Blessings.
 
[MENTION=11841]jasoncran[/MENTION]: BTW, is she the lady that you uploaded a photo of some months ago, who has a tattoo sleeve?

Blessings.
NO. I just googled that one. she, my friend, has a tat of a shamrock on her neck.she is in her 40's and comes across as a lady who wants to stay in her twenties.
 
... Almost everyone has their vice. Not one like another but weak and uninformed in our own way. I think attention to ones own sin is more important than pointing out others mistakes.

Hi Fembot: Interesting comment; appreciated.

Do you think that if for example a Christian man or woman is motivated to get a faith based design that is proven to help in witness conversations, this is even a vice at all?

Blessings.
 
Hi Fembot: Interesting comment; appreciated.

Do you think that if for example a Christian man or woman is motivated to get a faith based design that is proven to help in witness conversations, this is even a vice at all?

Blessings.

God can talk to people in many different ways. A tattoo can help in witnessing, perhaps. Though it is not exactly the way Jesus would witness.
 
Sparrowhawke:

Sorry about your diabetes complications.

But then I don't think you were planning to head to the parlor any time soon, in any case...

Blessings.

It's normal for me. Oh, the last time I went to a "parlor" was with my daughter-in-law who wanted to get her tragus pierced for an earring.
Personally? I don't see the difference. I went as her "Guardian" and with her mother's permission.
It didn't bother me then but even then I would agree that with what Fembot said so well, "Though it is not exactly the way Jesus would witness."

If we had a "LIKE" button I'd press it for her post.

~Sparrow
 
It's normal for me. Oh, the last time I went to a "parlor" was with my daughter-in-law who wanted to get her tragus pierced for an earring.
Personally? I don't see the difference. I went as her "Guardian" and with her mother's permission.
It didn't bother me then but even then I would agree that with what Fembot said so well, "Though it is not exactly the way Jesus would witness."

If we had a "LIKE" button I'd press it for her post.

~Sparrow

I guess you've gotten used to the condition and the dietary aspects; I'm having to watch myself, with glucose intoterance, anyway.

Was this the lady that was depicted near Puget Sound, together with your son? in the profile photo-files on the old site? Seems like she's fashionable with the piercing as well as with the tattoos, anyway.

There is a sense in which the Lord Jesus is the glorious object of witness in any case, so while we seek to emulate him, He is wondrously unique.

Blessings to you and yours.
 
farouk,

I was looking forward to your answer to this:

You use Romans 14 as the rationale for using tattoos as a witnessing device and bringing that practice into the church (for it has always been a pagan practice). Paul doesn't prohibit the eating of meats offered up in sacrifice to false gods at local temples. That much is clear (just do it in secret). But do you think he was teaching that Christians can literally bring that practice into their worship of God...just as you are advocating bringing the pagan practice of tattooing into the worship of God?
 
Pardon the interjection, Jethro, but it seems to me that a large degree of emphasis is being placed on the "worship of God" and our "bringing this practice" into the "worship of God." Sure, there is a manner of thinking that would allow me to say that I worship Him with every breath but the air is thin up there, is it not?

~Sparrow
 
Pardon the interjection, Jethro, but it seems to me that a large degree of emphasis is being placed on the "worship of God" and our "bringing this practice" into the "worship of God." Sure, there is a manner of thinking that would allow me to say that I worship Him with every breath but the air is thin up there, is it not?

~Sparrow

Sparrow,

I’m not trying to answer for Jethro, but I agree with him. Paul teaches we are to spiritually worship God by presenting our bodies as living sacrifices. Furthermore he goes on to teach that we are not to conform to the ways of the world.

I appeal to you therefore, brothers,by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.Do not be conformed to this world,but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect. Rom. 12:1-2, ESV

I don’t post this to be argumentative; it’s just that I believe the practice of tattooing is of the world. I don’t say this lightly and I don’t think I’m being pious, as I speak from the point of view of someone that spent more than 52 years in the world, and have the tattoos to show for it.

When I gave my life to Jesus a little over two years ago He made me a new person. God also showed me the above verse when I was contemplating adding to my tattoo collection.

Be blessed.

Toby
 
tamdemcpl:

I can certainly see that this is how you feel led in your thinking, from the Scriptures.

I guess also that some people might take 2 Timothy 4:2 as a verse which for them would apply to the idea of getting a faith based design inked in order that their witness might be helped.

Neither the verse which you mentioned nor the one I mentioned refer to tattoos, but it is really a case of application, right? Some people Christians might be led differently from others. In terms of Romans 14 and Christian liberty, I guess this is kind of inevitable.

Blessings.
 
tamdemcpl:

I can certainly see that this is how you feel led in your thinking, from the Scriptures.

I guess also that some people might take 2 Timothy 4:2 as a verse which for them would apply to the idea of getting a faith based design inked in order that their witness might be helped.

Neither the verse which you mentioned nor the one I mentioned refer to tattoos, but it is really a case of application, right? Some people Christians might be led differently from others. In terms of Romans 14 and Christian liberty, I guess this is kind of inevitable.

Blessings.

Good afternoon Farouk,

You are correct, the verse I mentioned says nothing about tattoos; it says much more. It is just one of many ways we are instructed to live and to be obedient to The Most High God.

In the verses you mentioned, I believe Paul is doing the same to Timothy.

Paul charges Timothy to, “Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.” 2 Tim 4:2, ESV
The way I read this, Timothy is to reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching those believers that choose the ways of the world.

Paul goes on to explain how some will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths to suit their own passions.

I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry. 2 Tim. 4:1-5, ESV

I don’t read anything in the above verses that suggest that it is acceptable to use the ways of the world to evangelize.

Be blessed.

Toby
 
Good afternoon Farouk,

You are correct, the verse I mentioned says nothing about tattoos; it says much more. It is just one of many ways we are instructed to live and to be obedient to The Most High God.

In the verses you mentioned, I believe Paul is doing the same to Timothy.

Paul charges Timothy to, “Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.” 2 Tim 4:2, ESV
The way I read this, Timothy is to reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching those believers that choose the ways of the world.

Paul goes on to explain how some will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths to suit their own passions.

I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry. 2 Tim. 4:1-5, ESV

I don’t read anything in the above verses that suggest that it is acceptable to use the ways of the world to evangelize.

Be blessed.

Toby

Thanks for your comments, tandemcpl. I appreciate them.

The point is also, I guess, how do you draw the line between what is acceptable in terms of the church versus the world and what is not. There are various guides to this: doctrinal, moral, etc.

If after prayerful considerable someone does decide to get something like a Christian fish <><, etc for witness purposes, in the end it's an individual responsibility, and it's also proven that they make good conversation-starters.

So I guess one has to respect one another's individual views as to where they draw the line between what is acceptable and what is not, expecially if they are motivated to get faith based designs for testimony purposes. (Otherwise it can descent into arbitray legalism, I guess.)

Blessings.
 
I agree with Farouk.
Christian liberty is at stake here and only a legalist will try to take that away from us.
I am a soldier for Christ and I fight for the liberty that Jesus gave us when he died on the cross for us.
 
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