Is believing/faith a work ?

[rogerg]

I do not need scripture explaining to me. It is perfectly clear thank you.

Well, apparently you do as you're the one who posted the verses that I replied to. You did
so, in an attempt to demonstrate with those verses that it is up to man to save himself through his actions/choices. So yes, you do need it explained to you to edify you because your conclusions are wrong. However, I appreciate the thank you.

 

[Cooper]

Well, apparently you do as you're the one who posted the verses that I replied to. You did
so, in an attempt to demonstrate with those verses that it is up to man to save himself through his actions/choices. So yes, you do need it explained to you to edify you because your conclusions are wrong. However, I appreciate the thank you.

There is an ignore function on here for you to use if you do not like scripture posted word for word from the Bible.

 

[rogerg]

There is an ignore function on here for you to use if you do not like scripture posted word for word from the Bible.

Oh, I don't mind it at all. I was just trying to edify you and to not leave your incorrect conclusions stand unrefuted for the sake of others who may read them. And as for your "word for word from the Bible" comment - that's your problem because that is not how the Bible instructs it is to be read and analyzed. Instead, we are to read it knowing that no prophecy of scripture is of any private interpretation, and to compare the spiritual with the spiritual (if we are able). If we don't do it that way, then we will not find spiritual truth.

[2Pe 1:20 KJV] 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

[1Co 2:13 KJV] 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

 

[Cooper]

Oh, I don't mind it at all. I was just trying to edify you and to not leave your incorrect conclusions stand unrefuted for the sake of others who may read them. And as for your "word for word from the Bible" comment - that's your problem because that is not how the Bible instructs it is to be read and analyzed. Instead, we are to read it knowing that no prophecy of scripture is of any private interpretation, and to compare the spiritual with the spiritual (if we are able). If we don't do it that way, then we will not find spiritual truth.

[2Pe 1:20 KJV] 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

[1Co 2:13 KJV] 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

You are annoying me.

 

[electedbyHim]

You are annoying me.

The truth has that affect on many people.

 

[Cooper]

The truth has that affect on many people.

Regretfully the cults do not have the truth.

 

[rogerg]

You are annoying me.

And that should mean what to me? I hear there is an ignore function available that you can use.

 

[Cooper]

And that should mean what to me? I hear there is an ignore function available that you can use.

I shall not ignore you, I will see this out with the Lord's help.

 

[jaybo]

Oh, I don't mind it at all. I was just trying to edify you and to not leave your incorrect conclusions stand unrefuted for the sake of others who may read them. And as for your "word for word from the Bible" comment - that's your problem because that is not how the Bible instructs it is to be read and analyzed. Instead, we are to read it knowing that no prophecy of scripture is of any private interpretation, and to compare the spiritual with the spiritual (if we are able). If we don't do it that way, then we will not find spiritual truth.

[2Pe 1:20 KJV] 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

[1Co 2:13 KJV] 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

You wrote: "I was just trying to edify you [Cooper] and to not leave your incorrect conclusions stand unrefuted for the sake of others who may read them"

On what do you base your infallible understanding of Scripture (beyond your inflated and deluded ego)?

 

[rogerg]

You wrote: "I was just trying to edify you [Cooper] and to not leave your incorrect conclusions stand unrefuted for the sake of others who may read them"

On what do you base your infallible understanding of Scripture (beyond your inflated and deluded ego)?

I base it upon the foundation of the gospel as stated by the Bible, upon which, was all of it built.
If our understanding of scripture starts from, ends with, and is guided/influenced by the below, then we will remain on the correct path. There are those who would instead replace Christ with man.

[Heb 10:7 KJV] 7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

[Jhn 6:39 KJV] 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

 

[Robert Pate]

I base it upon the foundation of the gospel as stated by the Bible, upon which, was all of it built.
If our understanding of scripture starts from, ends with, and is guided/influenced by the below, then we will remain on the correct path. There are those who would instead replace Christ with man.

[Heb 10:7 KJV] 7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

[Jhn 6:39 KJV] 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

John 6:39. The will of the Father was that Jesus would come into the world and be the savior of the world.

"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world might be saved through him" John 6:17.

As far as God is concerned Jesus has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil. Proof of this is that Jesus now sits in heaven as "The King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16.

All that are trusting in Christ for their salvation are sealed with the Holy Spirit, Ephesians 1:13. and belong to God who will raise them up on the last day.

 

[rogerg]

John 6:39. The will of the Father was that Jesus would come into the world and be the savior of the world.

"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world might be saved through him" John 6:17.

As far as God is concerned Jesus has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil. Proof of this is that Jesus now sits in heaven as "The King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16.

All that are trusting in Christ for their salvation are sealed with the Holy Spirit, Ephesians 1:13. and belong to God who will raise them up on the last day.

The "world" of the verse is the world to come, not this world - this world is to be destroyed. He became the Saviour of the world to come, because His offering saved all those who will occupy it.

[Jhn 18:36 KJV] 36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

[2Pe 3:12 KJV] 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Jesus's mission was to save all those whom God had designated to salvation and gave to Jesus, that is not everyone.

[Jhn 6:37 KJV] 37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

 

[Cooper]

The "world" of the verse is the world to come, not this world - this world is to be destroyed. He became the Saviour of the world to come, because His offering saved all those who will occupy it.

[Jhn 18:36 KJV] 36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

[2Pe 3:12 KJV] 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Jesus's mission was to save all those whom God had designated to salvation and gave to Jesus, that is not everyone.

[Jhn 6:37 KJV] 37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Jesus Immanuel (Isaiah 7:14) in whom dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. (Colossians 2:9) the God of Israel in heaven and on earth (2 Chronicles 6:14) His name on earth is Jesus. (Isaiah 7:14)
His name on earth is Jesus

 

[rogerg]

Jesus Immanuel (Isaiah 7:14) in whom dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. (Colossians 2:9) the God of Israel in heaven and on earth (2 Chronicles 6:14) His name on earth is Jesus. (Isaiah 7:14)
His name on earth is Jesus

I don't understand how the references you provided pertain to the discussion at hand.

 

[Cooper]

I don't understand how the references you provided pertain to the discussion at hand.

I don't understand either. That is the new signature I am considering. I must have had it in the computer's memory and when I did a copy and paste, that got posted instead of what I had written. All that work for nothing. I was tired, forget it. I won't be doing a second reply. My mistake.
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[rogerg]

I don't understand either. That is the new signature I am considering. I must have had it in the computer's memory and when I did a copy and paste, that got posted instead of what I had written. All that work for nothing. I was tired, forget that, I won't be doing a second reply. My mistake.
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No problem, Cooper - thanks for the clarification.

 

[brightfame52]

Pate

John 6:39. The will of the Father was that Jesus would come into the world and be the savior of the world.

Was Jesus successful in saving the world that the Father sent Him to save ?

 

[Fastfredy0]

Re:
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world might be saved through him

The "world" of the verse is the world to come, not this world - this world is to be destroyed. He became the Saviour of the world to come, because His offering saved all those who will occupy it.

I'd love you to give a URL of any commentator that agrees with the following statement you made:

The "world" of the verse is the world to come, not this world

I read the context of the chapter and Jesus is talking to Nicodemus (sp?) about being 'born again'. The verse itself says "God sent" and not "God will send" where a future tense would be needed if the verses were about the new world to come.
Two verses down (v.19) it speaks of the same"world" again: "Light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil." There are no people in the world to come that will "love the darkness [evil]; they're all in hell by then.

Anyways, love to have you supply a URL of any commentator that agrees with your NEW WORLD thesis... and if you could explain "people loving darkness" in the New World; that would be interesting also.

Aside: the word "world" in John 3:16-17 is one of 4ish major verses "free will" people use to deny Reformed theology, but your defense is new to me.

 

[Cooper]

Re:
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world might be saved through him
Anyways, love to have you supply a URL of any commentator that agrees with your NEW WORLD thesis... and if you could explain "people loving darkness" in the New World; that would be interesting also.

Aside: the word "world" in John 3:16-17 is one of 4ish major verses "free will" people use to deny Reformed theology, but your defense is new to me.

The only commentator you need is Jesus who said:

Jesus answered, "You are from below, but I am from above. You belong to this world, but I don't. (John 8:23)

If you love your life, you will lose it. If you give it up in this world, you will be given eternal life. (John 12:25)

The Spirit will show you what is true. The people of this world cannot accept the Spirit, because they don't see or know him. But you know the Spirit, who is with you and will keep on living in you. (John 14:17)
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[rogerg]

I'd love you to give a URL of any commentator that agrees with the following statement you made:

Sorry Fastfredy0, just noticed you reply, so am responding now.
Anyway, for the most part, I place very little credence in commentators so seldom use them for reference - I won't be able to satisfy your question on that basis. According to the Bible however, it is complete within in itself and as such, is all that is needed for our spiritual understanding.

I read the context of the chapter and Jesus is talking to Nicodemus (sp?) about being 'born again'. The verse itself says "God sent" and not "God will send" where a future tense would be needed if the verses were about the new world to come.

Yes, Jesus was sent to this world but only to save those people who are to be the citizens of the world to come. Christ's kingdom will be there, not here. Had Christ not done so, then there would be no world to come because there would
be no kingdom to come. This world is to be destroyed and gone, with only the world to come to remain, and by that, He is the Saviour of the world.
The problem with perceiving this world as the one that God "so loved" is that by His loving of it and sending Christ as its Saviour, He then can't destroy it as He has told us He would because Christ would be its Saviour, or conversely, He can't love it as He said He does and had accepted Christ's offering to save it and then destroy it - both can't be true. But we know the answer to that because God only loves that which is justified by Christ, and that can only be the world to come not this world.

[Jhn 18:36 KJV] 36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

[Mar 10:30 KJV] 30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

[1Jo 2:15-17 KJV]
15 Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

[2Pe 3:10, 12 KJV]
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. ...
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Aside: the word "world" in John 3:16-17 is one of 4ish major verses "free will" people use to deny Reformed theology, but your defense is new to me.

Actually, what I am saying is the polar opposite of that. They say that because of the "whoever" and "loves the world"
parts, without understanding what they represent.