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Thanks, but that doesn't define it.Rom 7:18, For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
That wasn't true for Jesus , and it isn't true for those reborn of God's seed. (1 John 3:9)Jer 17:9, The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
You are incorrect.No sir, the person drawn has been made alive spiritually, they are being led by the Spirit. They are the children of God. The word draw means :
- metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impel
Jesus is using the word metaphorically, and its indicating God the Spirit leading to Christ. Rom 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
That word led means
- to move, impel: of forces and
Also draw means inward power, again that's the Spirit in a person which makes them a Child of God
Christ did give his life. <----- This is your problem. You don't acknowledge his sacrifice as THE WORK of the Holy Spirit, whereby sinners come to faith in God.journey
Correct, dead in trespasses and sins Eph 2:1,5
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
So we do nothing Godward until given life
So Paul preaced at Mars hill to the Greeks for a reason.They may think on a god, but the True and Living God man is dead to. Alienated .
No brightflame52,Sure man naturally realizes there is a higher power, like they do at a AA meeting or something, thats why its 4000 plus religions in the world, but none of them know the True God, save the one where God gives life to, Spiritual life.
Then you're saying Paul gives liberty for believers to curse unbelievers. Jesus never taught this. Jesus said,Thats talking about the elect, those born of God.
God never told Adam he was spiritually dead. Adam hid as any child who knew he disobeyed his dad. He understood how much his sin hurt his Father and was repentant.Man in Adam was made after Gods Image, but he lost it when he sinned and became dead to God,
Paul is instructing the church to put on the new man by following his Spirit in what they think and do, being "created" in righteousness. He doesnt mean after Adam sinned, Adam had no faculties from God. He's teaching the gentiles how they once "gave themselves over" to sin, not that they "were born that way."but when he is newly created he regains that image even to a higher, nobler status Eph 4:24
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Col 3:10
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
You are incorrect, being drawn denotes a new creation, new life given.You are incorrect.
Those who are drawn gave an opportunity to receive Christ and this is not = to receiving Christ and neither does this guarantee their receiving of Christ.
A person who is drawn to Christ but who does not receive Christ is not regenerated; in order to be regenerated and renewed in the Holy Ghost, a person must receive Christ. Otherwise they do not have the power to become a son of God (John 1:12).
A person is a son of God if they have received the Spirit of God and also walk according to His dictates, leadings and guidings instead of the dictates of the flesh.
You not paying attention. Man cant do anything until he is given life, quickened from the dead Eph 2:1,2Christ did give his life. <----- This is your problem. You don't acknowledge his sacrifice as THE WORK of the Holy Spirit, whereby sinners come to faith in God.
So Paul preaced at Mars hill to the Greeks for a reason.
No brightflame52,
man does not naturally realize there is a higher power. In fact many do not believe in a "higher power." They're called atheists and they believe what they do through their education. In fact, all people have the ability to believe or disbelieve what they have been taught.
Then you're saying Paul gives liberty for believers to curse unbelievers. Jesus never taught this. Jesus said,
bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, Mt.5:44
Which is why Paul taught,
Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not. Rom.12:14
So you're wrong.
God never told Adam he was spiritually dead. Adam hid as any child who knew he disobeyed his dad. He understood how much his sin hurt his Father and was repentant.
Paul is instructing the church to put on the new man by following his Spirit in what they think and do, being "created" in righteousness. He doesnt mean after Adam sinned, Adam had no faculties from God. He's teaching the gentiles how they once "gave themselves over" to sin, not that they "were born that way."
You are incorrect. There are people who have been drawn to Christ who have not made a decision for Christ.You are incorrect, being drawn denotes a new creation, new life given.
No, I have stated one could believe in God before they were born again via the outward witness of the Spirit and that would include hearing or coming to the knowledge of the truth as stated in the gospel message.Wait... your argument to begin with was that they didn't have the Holy Spirit (God), right? And if they didn't have Him, then how could they have heard or be taught of Him since He wasn't with them?
No, I have stated one could believe in God before they were born again via the outward witness of the Spirit and that would include hearing or coming to the knowledge of the truth as stated in the gospel message.
God has the ability to communicate to anyone at anytime.
As I have shown from the book of Jonah God is concerned about all. Jonah was mad that God had mercy on them when the whole nation repented before Him.
And what you're really saying is, the sacrifice of our Lord isn't enough to cause faith in him.You not paying attention. Man cant do anything until he is given life, quickened from the dead Eph 2:1,2
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
Until quickened, made alive, man is spiritually dead, a corpse. Yes he may be alive physically, but spiritually dead.
Wrong, when one is drawn they are bon again, they are the same thing.You are incorrect. There are people who have been drawn to Christ who have not made a decision for Christ.
Such have not been regenerated, they are not new creations, new life has not been given.
Those folk who Christ died for, His Sheep, they are quickened made alive, thats a by-product of His death and resurrection for them, and them exclusively!And what you're really saying is, the sacrifice of our Lord isn't enough to cause faith in him.
Not to Calvanists, because you're claiming Jesus' death and resurrection is completely ineffective in causing belief without some other grace first. You are wrong.thats a by-product of His death and resurrection for them
If that were the case, then everyone who is drawn to Christ would make a decision for Christ.Wrong, when one is drawn they are bon again, they are the same thing.
Jesus death results in spiritual life to them He died for. Faith comes with Spiritual lifeNot to Calvanists, because you're claiming Jesus' death and resurrection is completely ineffective in causing belief without some other grace first. You are wrong.
Everyone drawn to Christ is saved. If a person isn't saved, they werent drawn to Christ. Thats impossible.If that were the case, then everyone who is drawn to Christ would make a decision for Christ.
However, there are some who, being drawn to Christ, end up rejecting Christ for whatever reason.
This is because drawing and regeneration are not the same thing.
A person is only regenerated when they receive Christ.
And not all who are drawn to Christ, receive Christ.
Therefore it seems to me that you are trying to say that there are those who do not receive Christ, who are born again.
However, if a person has been drawn to Christ, they may not be saved.Everyone drawn to Christ is saved. If a person isn't saved, they werent drawn to Christ. Thats impossible.
Not even for your belief in "them he died for", because you've made his entire life on earth, for anyone, innefective by itself. Calvanist claim salvation is by a special leading, apart from the witness of Jesus.Jesus death results in spiritual life to them He died for. Faith comes with Spiritual life
So?Of course, God can communicate with anyone, but He doesn't. He only communicates with those whom He has chosen.
[Jhn 6:36-37 KJV]
36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Please, read these verses closely. We are told in them that it is IMPOSSIBLE for natural man (the unsaved), to know or come to faith in Christ, of themselves. Natural man will not take to heart that which he considers foolishness. Therefore, it cannot be by "outward witness", nor by the "wisdom of man" that he learns, but only first by direct intervention and teaching of the Spirit of God. Notice, that it doesn't say by "observing" but by "teacheth". Further, no one can "abide in Him" unless he has first been taught of God.
[1Co 2:13-14 KJV]
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
[1Jo 2:27 KJV]
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Thats absolutely false, when one is drawn they are born again, they are one and the same. So is a born again person saved ?However, if a person has been drawn to Christ, they may not be saved.
Once again: Jesus death results in spiritual life to them He died for. Faith comes with Spiritual lifeNot even for your belief in "them he died for", because you've made his entire life on earth, for anyone, innefective by itself. Calvanist claim salvation is by a special leading, apart from the witness of Jesus.
You're wrong.