The law is that which defines and establishes any criteria that must be achieved by a person in order to be saved.First of all, we'd have to agree on what you mean by THE LAW.
The Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.So what LAW was He speaking of.
Anything, anything that someone believes they must do in in order to become saved, is a work, to includeAs I've stated many times before, and also to you,
I know of NO ONE on this forum site that believes a person could be saved by works.
So we really need to stop saying this because it brings the discussion off to another topic.
WE ARE NOT SAVED BY WORKS.
that one must produce faith of themselves - that is, that faith is not a gift from God. Said another way,
anything that is not received solely as a gift, is a work.
Works in order to BECOME saved, not after being saved. You always neglect to make that distinctionWhat I fiind MOST bothersome about your statement above is that you state
WORKS BRING THE JUDGMENT OF GOD.
when you describe my beliefs.
What I fiind MOST bothersome about your statement above is that you state
WORKS BRING THE JUDGMENT OF GOD.
Works for salvation bring the judgment of God for many important reasons. Here are just a few:
1) Christ was sent, suffered, and brought forth His offering expressly for the purpose
of removing the demand for works from the individual. By believing that we must do
something for it in addition to what Christ did, is in effect calling God a liar by saying that Christ never achieved
what the Father sent Him to achieve and what He declared that Christ did achieve. If Christ achieved it (which He
did), then there can be nothing, nothing, even to the most miniscule degree remaining for anyone else to do.
It must be that He did all or that He did nothing - there can be no in between.
2) Believing in the requirement to perform any works at all for salvation, means that the doer is under law and with
law is its judgment and punishment. If under law, then the doer must perfectly achieve what Christ achieved with
no mercy or variation from that possible because mercy is the antithesis of law - both cannot coexist at the same
time. In other words, they would in effect have to become unto themselves, a Christ. However, this was impossible
for anyone but Christ. For those He chose, Christ undid what was Adam caused:
He took them out from being the subjects of law for salvation unto being the subjects of grace instead.
I could continue with this much further, and certainly have not covered it all, but if you think about it , you should be able develop a basic understanding from the above and postulate any missing pieces and perceive the terrible spiritual danger those who trust in their works are in.
Boy wondering, you are just plain unable to understand what I've been saying. I'll try this one more time:How could you say that when one of the main reasons Jesus came to us was to show us how to BEHAVE and act in the Kingdom of God? (here on earth).
I believe I was discussing with @Jethro Bodine and he could hardly believe someone would make the statement you did.
GOD REQUIRES US TO DO GOOD WORKS.
Judgment will fall on those that do NOT adhere to the teachings of Christ.
Please show me some verses that state we are NOT to do good works.
One would even suffice.
I never said we are not to engage in good works, I said that we are NOT to engage in good
works to become saved. There is a big difference between the two: one is an attempt to gain salvation; the other comes after and from salvation and are of no gain whatsoever. The first - the using good works to be saved - are an evil attempt to leverage works for an end apart from just the doing of them - trying to buy favor with God - the other, is by those who are already saved - not done for any gain because they already have the greatest gift and blessing a man can receive, so they are done solely by a true heart to no end except a sincere desire to do them, but not for gain.
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