Is Gay 'Love' Real?

[lamplady]

Because ACTS is one thing and LOVE is a different thing. 2 seperate things. The love has got nothing to do with being gay. It's just love.

Then for the third time how are they suppose to stop the acts if their love is real?



'Romantic love' is the showoff shallow cheesy exchange that courting couples have between eachother and that some couples carry on into their marriage in the vain hope that they can convince themselves that they are still young. It's the flowers, the birthdays, the dinner dates, the jewelery...all the showy material stuff.

You'll notice most married couples leave all that alone once they get into the swing of what a marriage is really about. Trust, commitment, responsibility, kids, teamwork etc.

ok thanks

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[Strangelove]

who says that. i know some that do both.

are commited but still do some romantic things.

it doenst have to be a diamond. a simple card on the anniversary will do if you cant afford to go out.

if you can afford the pampering so what? by all means surely your wife is worth that.

its the thought not the gift.

Pampering has no place in a mature relationship. Personal opinion.

My wife is worth far more than any gift I could buy her....and she knows it from me.

All pampering privelages go to the kids.

 

[Strangelove]

.Then for the third time how are they suppose to stop the acts if their love is real?

Maybe they can sit down and say.....

"our love for eachother is ok, nothing wrong with it...it's like brotherly love. But our acts are something completely seperate and sexually devient and we should stop doing that now. We can keep feeling love for eachother though. And maybe try dating chicks from now on. Ok bro?"

...thats the best I can do Lamplady.

 

[Mike]

Strangelove, this seems like another point that you will be willing to "die on the hill" on.

Love is not real unless it is for the Lord?? We seem to be getting bad advice from our Bible, then.

Lev 19
<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-3300">18</sup> “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD."

Eph 5
<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29330">25</sup> "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her"

Love is an illusion? Love is not real?
Love is a gift from the Lord. We are able to love one another, because God has given us the capacity for love.
Agape love, being non-partial and sacrificial in God's love for us. Phileo love, being more emotional as with a "soul mate".

1 Pet 1
<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-29323">18</sup> "Since you have in obedience to the truth purified your souls for a sincere love [phileo] of the brethren, fervently love [agape] one another from the heart"

God's desire is that we have agape love for one another, but you can't make a claim that we can not feel love.

Although I hold the biblical view of relations between a man & woman only, I don't see how people can suggest that homosexual love is not real love. It seems quite clear that they have the same capacity for love that we do. And they, just as heteros, have a range of emotions from lust, to agape.

Love can be abused, just as other emotions. We are given the capacity for anger to use it as righteous anger. But his too gets abused. With our emotions and love, I believe LampLady suggested we aren't able to tell homosexuals not to love. Feeling love is fine, unless it gets confused with lust, in either hetero or homo love. Acting on it is another thing that we need to be in check with. Heteros need to resist acting on or thinking lustfully for anyone they are not married to.

 

[lamplady]

Maybe they can sit down and say.....

"our love for eachother is ok, nothing wrong with it...it's like brotherly love. But our acts are something completely seperate and sexually devient and we should stop doing that now. We can keep feeling love for eachother though. And maybe try dating chicks from now on. Ok bro?"

...thats the best I can do Lamplady.

lool! Is that realistic? Most sins we can overcome by not doing it anymore like lying, thieving etc but it seems when it involves love or as some might say the deception of love then that's when things may get murky. This includes sins like fornication, adultery, lusting. But even those may be easy to overcome for a straight person. But for a gay to stop being a gay ... idk ...

 

[Mike]

lool! Is that realistic? Most sins we can overcome by not doing it anymore like lying, thieving etc but it seems when it involves love or as some might say the deception of love then that's when things may get murky. This includes sins like fornication, adultery, lusting. But even those may be easy to overcome for a straight person. But for a gay to stop being a gay ... idk ...

Lamplady, this is what I was speaking to in my last post. It is realistic to suggest that homosexuals do not act upon their love. Ideally, they shouldn't think about acting upon their love, but that's much more difficult to harness as it is for heteros. But, I cannot accept that they don't have the ability to avoid acting on their love. Many heterosexuals refrain from acts of love before marriage and outside the confines of marriage. Just as with heteros, if they find themselves in a situation where they are finding it hard to resist, they need to remove themselves from the situation. I give the same advice to my son with his girlfriend.

 

[lamplady]

Lamplady, this is what I was speaking to in my last post. It is realistic to suggest that homosexuals do not act upon their love. Ideally, they shouldn't think about acting upon their love, but that's much more difficult to harness as it is for heteros. But, I cannot accept that they don't have the ability to avoid acting on their love. Many heterosexuals refrain from acts of love before marriage and outside the confines of marriage. Just as with heteros, if they find themselves in a situation where they are finding it hard to resist, they need to remove themselves from the situation. I give the same advice to my son with his girlfriend.

The thing is with heteros they can at least get married. But if gay love is real, and even though yes I agree with you they can refrain, I ask is that realistic because again heteros can get married but gays, from a Godly pov, cannot.



It's why I think it's very important to know if their love is real or not.

 

[Strangelove]

Strangelove, this seems like another point that you will be willing to "die on the hill" on.

Love is not real unless it is for the Lord?? We seem to be getting bad advice from our Bible, then.

Love is an illusion? Love is not real?
Love is a gift from the Lord. We are able to love one another, because God has given us the capacity for love.
Agape love, being non-partial and sacrificial in God's love for us. Phileo love, being more emotional as with a "soul mate".

God's desire is that we have agape love for one another, but you can't make a claim that we can not feel love.

I never said any of those red bits.

The misrepresentation seems to be contagious at the moment.

I said ROMANTIC love and then defined what that means to me.

Please Mike.

 

[Strangelove]

lool! Is that realistic? Most sins we can overcome by not doing it anymore like lying, thieving etc but it seems when it involves love or as some might say the deception of love then that's when things may get murky. This includes sins like fornication, adultery, lusting. But even those may be easy to overcome for a straight person. But for a gay to stop being a gay ... idk ...

Sorry. Thats the best I can think of.

The acts are clearly wrong and should be repented against.

The love is right and is fine to keep hold of.

 

[Strangelove]

Lamplady, this is what I was speaking to in my last post. It is realistic to suggest that homosexuals do not act upon their love. Ideally, they shouldn't think about acting upon their love, but that's much more difficult to harness as it is for heteros. But, I cannot accept that they don't have the ability to avoid acting on their love. Many heterosexuals refrain from acts of love before marriage and outside the confines of marriage. Just as with heteros, if they find themselves in a situation where they are finding it hard to resist, they need to remove themselves from the situation. I give the same advice to my son with his girlfriend.

No one acts on there love when performing sexual acts they are acting on their fleshy LUSTS.

 

[Mike]

No one acts on there love when performing sexual acts they are acting on their fleshy LUSTS.

I disagree. Take a look at an example with Isaac and Rebekah.

Gen 24
"<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-658">66</sup> Then the servant told Isaac all he had done. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-659">67</sup> Isaac brought her into the tent of his mother Sarah, and he married Rebekah. So she became his wife, and he loved her; and Isaac was comforted after his mother’s death."

Isaac's servant had previously given the proposal of marriage to Rebekah on behalf of Isaac. When they met, they entered the tent and "consummated" their marriage. This was a deep spiritual binding of their souls when they were made one. This was similar to our modern day ceremonies. In full view of everyone, Isaac and Rebekah entered the privacy of the tent, and it was well understood by the community that they were having intercourse to consummate their marriage.

True enough, some acts of love, unfortunately too many of them, are as you say. But not ALL of it. There is a place where the act of love between a husband and his wife is a deeply spiritual experience.

I've always found it interesting that humans are the only creation that actually face one another when having intercourse. I believe this speaks to the intention God had and has for the act of love between a man and his wife.

 

[Strangelove]

I disagree. Take a look at an example with Isaac and Rebekah.

Gen 24
"<SUP class=versenum id=en-NIV-658>66</SUP> Then the servant told Isaac all he had done. <SUP class=versenum id=en-NIV-659>67</SUP> Isaac brought her into the tent of his mother Sarah, and he married Rebekah. So she became his wife, and he loved her; and Isaac was comforted after his mother’s death."

Isaac's servant had previously given the proposal of marriage to Rebekah on behalf of Isaac. When they met, they entered the tent and "consummated" their marriage. This was a deep spiritual binding of their souls when they were made one. This was similar to our modern day ceremonies. In full view of everyone, Isaac and Rebekah entered the privacy of the tent, and it was well understood by the community that they were having intercourse to consummate their marriage.

True enough, some acts of love, unfortunately too many of them, are as you say. But not ALL of it. There is a place where the act of love between a husband and his wife is a deeply spiritual experience.

I've always found it interesting that humans are the only creation that actually face one another when having intercourse. I believe this speaks to the intention God had and has for the act of love between a man and his wife.

Is there a certain technique you need to use to make sex a deeply spiritual experience or is it just the circumstances?

 

[lamplady]

Exactly. I know we differ on allot of things, but this is something I can agree with you on.

On topic though. I feel love, and no one can tell me that I don't. I don't feel shame anymore, because I understand why people are naturally afraid of it. I don't agree with your religion's stance on it ( because I think its one of the most useless things to really make a big deal out of), But I'm just trying to get people to actually talk about it and not be in the dark and pretend to know what they are talking about.

Just noticed this. Thanks Lance for answering. I appreciate it because I think you're our only resident gay here - pity you're not a Christian though ;).
Have you got at least 10 100% gay friends, (meaning no bi's), who'd say the same? I really would like to get a picture of how real this love is among you all and yes I know it's not how it's done but it'll do for me for now so ...?

 

[Lance_Iguana]

Just noticed this. Thanks Lance for answering. I appreciate it because I think you're our only resident gay here - pity you're not a Christian though ;).
Have you got at least 10 100% gay friends, (meaning no bi's), who'd say the same? I really would like to get a picture of how real this love is among you all and yes I know it's not how it's done but it'll do for me for now so ...?

I have about 3 openly Gay friends where I'm at. I live in a small town, so the gay population where I live is very low. I do occationaly go to Chicago and Indy to see other friends and attend conventions. I've met many couples that feel the same or similarly. If it wasn't so expensive I'd move to Chicago because I think it has the 3rd or 4th highest concentration of the LGBT in the US.

 

[lamplady]

I have about 3 openly Gay friends where I'm at. I live in a small town, so the gay population where I live is very low. I do occationaly go to Chicago and Indy to see other friends and attend conventions. I've met many couples that feel the same or similarly. If it wasn't so expensive I'd move to Chicago because I think it has the 3rd or 4th highest concentration of the LGBT in the US.

Thank you for your input then ... ...

 

[bill needle]

i'm sure the homosexual thinks it's real ,but seriously what else could it possibly be but a deception ! thats why this abomination is given validity ,if people believe it's "real love" how can it be wrong

 

[jasoncran]

Pampering has no place in a mature relationship. Personal opinion.

My wife is worth far more than any gift I could buy her....and she knows it from me.

All pampering privelages go to the kids.

so buying something that your wife would want is pampering. ie a new hair do.

etc.

lamplady

please address this as this is related.

i want to know if its real.

Top Lancashire cop: We should turn blind eye to public sex (From Lancashire Telegraph)


lance, as you know i am not for lying to deny gay rights but that is sick if its true.

 

[Christ_empowered]

As a guy who struggles with same-sex attraction and has decided to try to live as a Christian, the only real solution I've been able to come up with is celibacy plus biblically-and socially-acceptable same-sex friendships.

I've found that although I'm still attracted to other dudes, its not as intense as it once was. I've also (weirdly enough) started noticing the ladies more, which may be an individual quirk more than anything else...could also be temporary, who knows?

Anyway, even though I'm not Catholic, I like the Catholic approach to homosexuality that emphasizes the responsibility of the believer to accept the urges as a sort of "thorn in the flesh" and continue on in celibacy. For me personally, that's a much more realistic and reasonable solution that trying to "fix" the homosexuality and then getting married.

 

[lamplady]

so buying something that your wife would want is pampering. ie a new hair do.

etc.

lamplady

please address this as this is related.

i want to know if its real.

Top Lancashire cop: We should turn blind eye to public sex (From Lancashire Telegraph)


lance, as you know i am not for lying to deny gay rights but that is sick if its true.

But I'm talking about LOVE ... how was that article related??? ...

 

[lamplady]

As a guy who struggles with same-sex attraction and has decided to try to live as a Christian, the only real solution I've been able to come up with is celibacy plus biblically-and socially-acceptable same-sex friendships.

I've found that although I'm still attracted to other dudes, its not as intense as it once was. I've also (weirdly enough) started noticing the ladies more, which may be an individual quirk more than anything else...could also be temporary, who knows?


hmm interesting ...

Anyway, even though I'm not Catholic, I like the Catholic approach to homosexuality that emphasizes the responsibility of the believer to accept the urges as a sort of "thorn in the flesh" and continue on in celibacy. For me personally, that's a much more realistic and reasonable solution that trying to "fix" the homosexuality and then getting married.

Glad that works for you but should anyone be 'struggling' like that?

This sooo sounds like I'm for all things gay but really I am just trying to see how real the love is and if it's acceptable with God.

If it's REAL LOVE then it seems to me it's like dangling chocolate in front of a dieter for the rest of his or her life. I should imagine that at some time or other they're going to give in ... idk ...