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[Free]

[MENTION=142]Free[/MENTION] It all comes down to what your idea of who God is, and how vast you think he is. Co-equal and co-eternal means what to you?

Co-equal and co-eternal mean that the three Persons are co-equal and co-eternal.

 

[Guest]

[MENTION=142]Free[/MENTION] It all comes down to what your idea of who God is, and how vast you think he is. Co-equal and co-eternal means what to you?

Co-equal and co-eternal mean that the three Persons are co-equal and co-eternal.

to what??? God deity? ;)

 

[Free]

[MENTION=142]Free[/MENTION] It all comes down to what your idea of who God is, and how vast you think he is. Co-equal and co-eternal means what to you?

Co-equal and co-eternal mean that the three Persons are co-equal and co-eternal.

to what??? God deity? ;)

To each other.

 

[Guest]

@Free It all comes down to what your idea of who God is, and how vast you think he is. Co-equal and co-eternal means what to you?

Co-equal and co-eternal mean that the three Persons are co-equal and co-eternal.

to what??? God deity? ;)

To each other.

Yes, but where do these (each others) come from. North Dakota or Heaven?

 

[Free]

to what??? God deity? ;)

To each other.

Yes, but where do these (each others) come from. North Dakota or Heaven?

I'm not sure why you are asking this. I have been very clear that "There is only one God but three co-equal, co-eternal Persons." That is what you were addressing. If you want to know where God comes from, you'll have to ask him.

 

[Guest]

to what??? God deity? ;)

To each other.

Yes, but where do these (each others) come from. North Dakota or Heaven?

I'm not sure why you are asking this. I have been very clear that "There is only one God but three co-equal, co-eternal Persons."

Free, you just said there is three co-equals. Co-equal to what? Think about it. I need to take a shower. I'll be right back.

 

[Free]

Yes, but where do these (each others) come from. North Dakota or Heaven?

I'm not sure why you are asking this. I have been very clear that "There is only one God but three co-equal, co-eternal Persons."

Free, you just said there is three co-equals. Co-equal to what? Think about it. I need to take a shower. I'll be right back.

My answer hasn't changed since you first asked. They are co-equal to each other. That is what the term "co-equal" implies.

 

[Guest]

My answer hasn't changed since you first asked. They are co-equal to each other. That is what the term "co-equal" implies.

When you say each other. Do these people have a home? Who are you talking about?

 

[Free]

My answer hasn't changed since you first asked. They are co-equal to each other. That is what the term "co-equal" implies.

When you say each other. Do these people have a home? Who are you talking about?

I don't appreciate being lead in circles, urk. My position is clear and has been throughout this thread. Is there anything you want to ask to further this discussion?

 

[Guest]

My answer hasn't changed since you first asked. They are co-equal to each other. That is what the term "co-equal" implies.

When you say each other. Do these people have a home? Who are you talking about?

I don't appreciate being lead in circles, urk. My position is clear and has been throughout this thread. Is there anything you want to ask to further this discussion?

You believe there's One God, but three co-equals that are not of God? I'm just trying to understand what you're saying. We're not talking about Joe Shmoe from Dunkin Donuts. This is about God the Father, the Holy Spirit and Jesus.

 

[Free]

My answer hasn't changed since you first asked. They are co-equal to each other. That is what the term "co-equal" implies.

When you say each other. Do these people have a home? Who are you talking about?

I don't appreciate being lead in circles, urk. My position is clear and has been throughout this thread. Is there anything you want to ask to further this discussion?

You believe there's One God, but three co-equals that are not of God? I'm just trying to understand what you're saying. We're not talking about Joe Shmoe from Dunkin Donuts. This is about God the Father, the Holy Spirit and Jesus.

Everything is in this thread, much of which you have already responded to, even on the last couple of pages.

 

[Brother Mike]

I used those words precisely to avoid the error that there are three Gods. So, no, I did not admit that there are three Gods. I suggest you re-read what I wrote.

Want to go back to the start of this Post Free?
I won't do that to you.

So, Jesus the 2nd person in the Trinity is not God? That is fine. Methodist it is. Your Greek works out perfectly for you also.

Thayer Definition:
1) a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities
2) the Godhead, trinity
2a) God the Father, the first person in the trinity
2b) Christ, the second person of the trinity
2c) Holy Spirit, the third person in the trinity
3) spoken of the only and true God

Unfortunately The Methodist Thayer Greek states that each person is Theos , God... However the doctrine itself does not. Your good to go. Congratulations, you have defeated one of my arguments.

You might want to go with the Pentecostal versions. They don't really have a defined version and you can sort of make it what you want.

However you state each is coequal, meaning you don't believe any of the 3 are God. That is what you said to URK.

I used those words precisely to avoid the error that there are three Gods. So, no, I did not admit that there are three Gods. I suggest you re-read what

Should I spare you the trouble giving you scriptures of the 4 times Jesus was called God??? You want to refute scripture now instead of the Doctrine itself since I have your exact words above? your choice.

Your still trying to dodge the "MYSTERY" and refuse to admit that it is a Mystery for a reason. I am game though.

Jesus is not God now. Got it. I await your answer.

Mike.

 

[Free]

I used those words precisely to avoid the error that there are three Gods. So, no, I did not admit that there are three Gods. I suggest you re-read what I wrote.

Want to go back to the start of this Post Free?
I won't do that to you.

So, Jesus the 2nd person in the Trinity is not God? That is fine. Methodist it is. Your Greek works out perfectly for you also.

Thayer Definition:
1) a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities
2) the Godhead, trinity
2a) God the Father, the first person in the trinity
2b) Christ, the second person of the trinity
2c) Holy Spirit, the third person in the trinity
3) spoken of the only and true God

Unfortunately The Methodist Thayer Greek states that each person is Theos , God... However the doctrine itself does not. Your good to go. Congratulations, you have defeated one of my arguments.

You might want to go with the Pentecostal versions. They don't really have a defined version and you can sort of make it what you want.

However you state each is coequal, meaning you don't believe any of the 3 are God. That is what you said to URK.

I used those words precisely to avoid the error that there are three Gods. So, no, I did not admit that there are three Gods. I suggest you re-read what

Should I spare you the trouble giving you scriptures of the 4 times Jesus was called God??? You want to refute scripture now instead of the Doctrine itself since I have your exact words above? your choice.

Your still trying to dodge the "MYSTERY" and refuse to admit that it is a Mystery for a reason. I am game though.

Jesus is not God now. Got it. I await your answer.

Mike.

Quit misrepresenting me. You know precisely what I am saying.

 

[Guest]

[MENTION=142]Free[/MENTION] Bottom line, you ignored my question. Co-equal to what. Co-equal is comparing things to something else. Who is co-equal to what?

 

[lowrab777]

The HS has a mind. 1 Cor 2:10-11 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11 For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. The HS has feelings and can be grieved. Eph 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. When I say thinks and feels like a person, well..was Jesus a person? Where did Jesus come from? Who created humanity? ....God the Father.

Ok so since I have a spirit of my own call it the spirit of man and it searches my thoughts Does that mean that I have two persons, One person is me and the other person is my spirit????? Is that what you are saying??
Because I feel like thats what you are trying to say about GOD and his SPIRIT person.?.?
I just cannot see it that way.
Grieve could mean distress. Distress does not have to be associated with a persons feelings and even if you think it does the feeling at hand are none other than GODS FEELINGS not his second spirit persons' feelings. And the mind that you speak of is none other than GODS mind not his second spirit persons' mind.
REALLY IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT COMPLEX,..AND WHY CREATE A STUMBLING BLOCK OUT OF IT ?,.............
THERE IS SUCH A THING CALLED THE SIMPLICITY THAT IS IN CHRIST!
G3076
λυπέω
lupeō
loo-peh'-o
From G3077; to distress; reflexively or passively to be sad: - cause grief, grieve, be in heaviness, (be) sorrow (-ful), be (make) sorry
G3076 doesnt have to mean grieve unless you think it is a person. Which is why the scholars translated it this way,.. It was because they were within the Trinity three persons theory Dogma yes--- [KING JAMES],...
However just because they agreed with that theory does not mean that I have to believe it, to be eligable for salvation,..
If I cannot prove there theories / all things by comparing it with scripture
Not just there word for it /translation, but my own evaluation of the meanings of the same words that they used.

 

[Free]

[MENTION=142]Free[/MENTION] Bottom line, you ignored my question. Co-equal to what. Co-equal is comparing things to something else. Who is co-equal to what?

No, I've answered it twice, as any reader in this thread can see.

 

[Guest]

The HS has a mind. 1 Cor 2:10-11 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11 For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. The HS has feelings and can be grieved. Eph 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. When I say thinks and feels like a person, well..was Jesus a person? Where did Jesus come from? Who created humanity? ....God the Father.

Ok so since I have a spirit of my own call it the spirit of man and it searches my thoughts Does that mean that I have two persons, One person is me and the other person is my spirit????? Is that what you are saying??
Because I feel like thats what you are trying to say about GOD and his SPIRIT person.?.?
I just cannot see it that way.

Hi lowrab777. You missed this part. So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. Notice it says Spirit of God, they are referring to the Holy Spirit that dwells inside believers. Yes, you have a spirit of your own, spirit of man. This is called your spirit of flesh. When a person comes to Faith, he also has the spirit of God living inside of him. He has conquered flesh and now walks in the spirit. This is called the Holy Spirit. 2 Corinthians 5:7 for we walk by faith, not by sight. What are you not seeing.

@Free We're done.

 

[Free]

@Free We're done.

Okay. But just so you know, Merriam-Webster agrees with me on what I mean by "co-equal":

: equal with one another

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/co-equal

That was the answer I twice gave to you.

 

[Nick]

[MENTION=142]Free[/MENTION] Bottom line, you ignored my question. Co-equal to what. Co-equal is comparing things to something else. Who is co-equal to what?

They are equal with each other. Father, Son and Spirit.

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[Guest]

@Free We're done.

Okay. But just so you know, Merriam-Webster agrees with me on what I mean by "co-equal":

: equal with one another

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/co-equal

That was the answer I twice gave to you.

Co-equal in what Free? Baseball, writing, music, God, heaven? You got the definition right, that's good.