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Is the Antichrist Alive Today?

jerry63935 said:
trump gesssh i have so many mixed emotions about him. eh done some things i liked pulled us out of the paris treaty put U.N on notice about the u.s . his latest announcement ijust dont know lol but we are in agreement on the restrainer
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The word on the street is after Trump took office, a group of Pastors went to see him and they all had a big prayer session and that some time after that, Trump had a visitation.

I can't prove that one way or the other, but I'm not about to speak down on the man or to denounce the prophets that say it happened. Scripture says don't do that. So I try to be careful with talking people down. Especially one that is at least rumoured to be God's prophet!

And I've got just as much evidence that it didn't happen, that I do that it did happen. So you know how it is with prophets, it takes a bit of time to find out if they were right or not.

The President of a nation on earth getting a visitation from God? Yes, I can see that happening. They say Putin had a visitation too! Is it true? I dunno.
 
Edward said:
The word on the street is after Trump took office, a group of Pastors went to see him and they all had a big prayer session and that some time after that, Trump had a visitation.
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dont know about the visitation but i do recall seems like the high rollers did go. seems like a Paula white was one of them . i liked trump for teh most liked most of the things he did.. my big turn offs his mouth and he never got along with his advisors . the electionsssssssssss was funky i think had he kept his mouth shut he still might be there. my last turn off he Burnt pence he treated him like dirt the whole time.. as i said mixed emotions
 
jerry63935 said:
dont know about the visitation but i do recall seems like the high rollers did go. seems like a Paula white was one of them . i liked trump for teh most liked most of the things he did.. my big turn offs his mouth and he never got along with his advisors . the electionsssssssssss was funky i think had he kept his mouth shut he still might be there. my last turn off he Burnt pence he treated him like dirt the whole time.. as i said mixed emotions
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Paula white ?

The one who married the pianist of journey ?

She well .played a journey song for worship . Let's not go there about the three spirits from Africa to bring trump into office
 
jerry63935 said:
dont know about the visitation but i do recall seems like the high rollers did go. seems like a Paula white was one of them . i liked trump for teh most liked most of the things he did.. my big turn offs his mouth and he never got along with his advisors . the electionsssssssssss was funky i think had he kept his mouth shut he still might be there. my last turn off he Burnt pence he treated him like dirt the whole time.. as i said mixed emotions
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WHen Trump was campaigning he did have a mouth on him. But after the election, he didn't come out with that sort of stuff anymore. Almost like something happened or he had a change of heart. Trump and his family will need the support of prayer for sure if He is God's man. He needs our prayers even more if he is still a scumbag at heart.

I bet Trump was picky with the advisors because the man is a big businessman and knows how to run a big business. What is government except big business? The advisors were likely miseducated and in reality having almost no clue because all their experience has been with dealing with politicians. So Trump likely took them as dweebs.
 
I thin Paula WHite was there. I remember seeing the picture in the media with all of the Pastors gathered around Trumps desk in the oval office. I couldn't find it again though.

Paula White is a blonde haired minister. She didn't marry any musicians though, that must be a different Paula White.
 
journeyman said:
They vaunt themselves. That's what people who "come in his own name" do.
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What manner of vaunting could possibly gain the esteem of these high and mighty ultra-religious authorities Jesus was speaking to ?
Religious Authorities who did not even consider Moses worthy of their esteem ?

Jhn 5:46
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

It would have to some really impressive vaunting you are thinking of that he will perform to gain the esteem in their eyes that even Moses & Jesus could not .

Given the ultra- religious nature of the crowd Jesus was addressing is it safe to say you believe that this person's impressive vaunting you speak of will be religious in nature ?
 
Consecrated Life said:
What manner of vaunting could possibly gain the esteem of these high and mighty ultra-religious authorities Jesus was speaking to ?Religious Authorities who did not even consider Moses worthy of their esteem
Jhn 5:46
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

It would have to some really impressive vaunting you are thinking of that he will perform to gain the esteem in their eyes that even Moses & Jesus could not .

Given the ultra- religious nature of the crowd Jesus was addressing is it safe to say you believe that this person's impressive vaunting you speak of will be religious in nature ?
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False religion yes, but since all unbelievers share the same fate, it doesn't matter whether someone opposed God on a large or small scale. Anyone who hates Jesus is antichrist. I think Satans' people are all one body.
 
Consecrated Life said:
Jesus addresses this bold vaunter as a single personality, "him, his" :

Jhn 5:43
..... his own name, him ye will receive.
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He meant anyone. Jesus said there would be many false Messiahs. They each come in their (his) own name.
The men who condemned our Savior came to people in the name of God, but they hated God. God was in flesh and they wanted to kill him. They really came in their own name.
Seriously, I can't imagine a greater abomination that causes desolation, than wanting to murder God.
 
journeyman said:
He meant anyone. Jesus said there would be many false Messiahs. They each come in their (his) own name.
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He will "vaunt " himself as the " Messiah " and be received as Messiah as you suggest .
But all the other false Messiahs that have come up to now have not been received, but have been rejected as phonies.
What do you think will be the big difference in this one particular person Jesus mentions that will set him apart as superior from all the others that have been rejected as phonies ?
Quite a hill to climb when you consider all that have been rejected as false up to now.
Since Jesus was talking about this person being received on the basis of the spiritual, do you think that this vaunting he will perform will involve some supernatural demonstration ?
Some miracle that none of the other false Messiahs before him could even hope to perform ?
Making him Indisputably different and superior from all the other false messiahs that have ever come before him.
I think we can agree that whatever this vaunting is that he performs to set himself head and shoulders above all the rest that have come before him, who have tried & failed to be received, would have to be something supernatural and never seen before ?
 
Consecrated Life said:
How can satan have his final day on earth, & his final unholy counterfeit performance as the bible describes, setting himself up as God, without having his own personal antichrist to be worshipped, and his own personal unholy spirit as well ?
How could satan accomplish this unholy trinity the bible describes him achieving in the last days void of any antichrist who will be worshipped?
You don't believe satan desires his own personal counterfeit Christ , that he can raise from the dead as Christ was raised ?
That is a yes or a no by the way ?
I have read nothing in scripture of satan having his final day void of a supporting counterfeit unholy counterfeit christ ?
Have you ?

Rev 13:12
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
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Of course as any antichrist that has and will be are those who Satan works through, just as you mentioned in his unholy trinity.

This beast in Rev 13 is a Luciferian system that controls world wide economics, political, military, educational, environmental and false religious system. This beast system that Satan works through gives its power to the beast out of the earth as the beast out of the earth appears as the Lamb of God, but is a false Christ being the son of perdition, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12; Rev 13. IMO, I believe this last antichrist is alive today, but has yet to take his throne in Jerusalem for 3 1/2 years during the sounding of the seventh trumpet.
 
Consecrated Life said:
He will "vaunt " himself as the " Messiah " and be received as Messiah as you suggest .
But all the other false Messiahs that have come up to now have not been received, but have been rejected as phonies.
What do you think will be the big difference in this one particular person Jesus mentions that will set him apart as superior from all the others that have been rejected as phonies ?
Quite a hill to climb when you consider all that have been rejected as false up to now.
Since Jesus was talking about this person being received on the basis of the spiritual, do you think that this vaunting he will perform will involve some supernatural demonstration ?
Some miracle that none of the other false Messiahs before him could even hope to perform ?
Making him Indisputably different and superior from all the other false messiahs that have ever come before him.
I think we can agree that whatever this vaunting is that he performs to set himself head and shoulders above all the rest that have come before him, who have tried & failed to be received, would have to be something supernatural and never seen before ?
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I'm not sure Jesus referred to one individual, but even if he did, it doesn't matter, because doing anything on a grander scale is no different than a lesser scale. Except for the numbers, there is no difference.
Antichrists are all the same. Satan controls all antichrists and the devil is the biggest antichrist, but the Bible shows us he has no preeminence of himself above a man, or even an animal.
 
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