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Is the Antichrist Alive Today?
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Consecrated Life
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As long as we understand that he is currently being allowed to walk about on the earth and wreak havoc, we can disagree on who exactly it is that granted him the temporary grazing rights.
Job 2:2
And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
n2thelight
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Nope , can't be ,did you read anything from my earlier post? anti in the Greek is instead of .yes and no Satan can change himself into a angel of light. the word antichrist comes from a person of the named . the anti christ will be of human forum and the devil is behind him and in him
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Antiochus IV Epiphanes | Biography, Reign, Jerusalem, Revolt, & Death | Britannica
Antiochus IV Epiphanes, Seleucid king of the Hellenistic Syrian kingdom who reigned from 175 to 164 BCE. As a ruler he was best known for his encouragement of Greek culture and institutions. His attempts to suppress Judaism brought on the Wars of the Maccabees.www.britannica.com
journeymanisnothing
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I think antichtist is one body, made up of all unsaved people from the beginning of this world to until the end of it.
An antichrist is anyone who denies our Lord and they all end up in the lake of fire,
An antichrist is anyone who denies our Lord and they all end up in the lake of fire,
Consecrated Life
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Who do you think this person is that Jesus considered evil enough to warn the world about before he arrives ?
Jhn 5:43
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Christ_empowered
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Is that The Antichrist Jesus is referring to though? It sounds like His Jewish people weren’t accepting because they wanted a revolution….
So they’d probably go for a revolutionary human over Jesus Christ.
So they’d probably go for a revolutionary human over Jesus Christ.
Edward
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The tribulation doesn't start until after the restrainer is taken away. In other words, after the rapture.
Trump lol. If Trump is God's man then he will prolly be raptured too!
Consecrated Life
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You really think Jesus is referring to just another human being ?
Remember Jesus is comparing this person to himself in terms of making a choice .
Essentially it is between these same 2 options from which we all must choose , God + Christ, or satan +antichrist.
There literally is no other choice.
For me Jesus is holding up Himself as God in the flesh as one choice. and satan's man to come , antichrist as the other option.
Jhn 5:43
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
journeymanisnothing
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I don't think antichrist is one man, in the sense of a single individual.
For one thing, "the beast" is described as having 7 heads, which represent empires throughout history. The common factor is they all oppose God.
Here's something else. In Rev.19:20, the beast is cast into the lake of fire, but in 2Thes.2:8, he's destroyed by the presence of Jesus. So it seems the presence of our Savior is like a consuming fire and scripture describes his appearing that way,
the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire 2Thes.1:7-8
There is no difference between this,
the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth 2Thes.2:8
and this
the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. Jn.12:48
Since you can not answer my two questions then I can only assume you can not answer them, but only giving that of the hand me down traditional theories. If you believe what you write then it should not be that hard to provide me with those scriptures. Maybe I am just not seeing them and that is why I asked for those scriptures. But if you don't want to answer then I just will move on past what I was hoping to find.
A lot of you might scoff and think this is foolishness, especially those of you that are not in the Lord or allow man to teach you instead of the Holy Spirit, but God said in Daniel 12:4 and Proverbs 10:14 that knowledge would increase more towards the end of days and what God has been revealing to me through the Holy Spirit has been a warning to not be afraid of what must come, but to prepare ourselves to learn how to endure what we are going to have to go through before the return of Christ. Hosea 4:6 says my people perish for lack of knowledge.
Most pastors teach a pretrib rapture, but this is false teaching and not according to what God has already taught us. Matthew 24 shows us exactly what must come first and God said to those who endure until the end of days will be his elect. Daniel 7:23-27; Revelation 13:1-10; Revelation 17; Luke 21:36 are just a few scriptures of God showing us we will go through much tribulation. The Bible mentions nothing about a so called seven year tribulation period, but states we have always had tribulation from the beginning of time when Adam and Eve sinned against God.
Below I have explained with scripture that the True Church of Christ (body of Christ) alive at His coming or a sleep in the grave will be caught up to Christ on the last day when Christ returns.
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
The Church, which represents the bride of Christ, will face seeing much tribulation as it will be hard to bare seeing Gods wrath poured out on the unjust as those who are anointed by God's Holy Spirit are sent out to preach to them before we enter into the kingdom of God (New Jerusalem). There are many false teachings that teach we are taken out of here before some seven year Great Tribulation, but there is no scripture that speaks of a seven year Great Tribulation, but only 3 1/2 years. Some also teach that after Rev Chapter 4 the Church is no longer here on earth. If this were the case then why did Jesus say that those who endure until the end will be saved. The end of what, the end of days or as scripture calls it that great and terrible day of the Lord when final judgment will be passed as the Sheep are separated from the goats and the goats are cast into the lake of fire with Satan, the beast and false prophets.
By studying all the scriptures below in Revelations I come to the conclusion we will see much tribulation, but not to fear what must come, but stand strong in the faith of Christ Jesus as the Holy Spirit strengthens us to stand and endure until the coming of the Lord as God has a place prepared for us in the wilderness as His wrath passes over the earth, Rev 12:6. We need to be His witnesses as a faithful servant until He returns. God's wrath is not for the elect of God as they are kept from it falling on them and when we see the abomination that causes desolation, Daniel Chapter 7; Matthew 24:15-22; Rev Chapter 13, we are to flee from taking its mark as we stand in a greater faith in Christ that we need not fear that which has to come first before Christ returns, Matthew 10:28, but that we need to be prepared as His Bride when He does return on the last day and destroys the beast and false prophet at His coming, Rev 19.
Act 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God as we are also His disciples.
Mat 24:13,29-31 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Matthew 24:29-31; Rev 3:5; 19:8 Jesus is telling us to watch for the signs of His coming and to overcome so that our names are not blotted out of the Lamb's book of life.
Rev 5:13; 6:17; 7:1-5 On earth and under the earth are those who are still here until the end of days as God's wrath begins with the opening of the seventh seal.
Rev 6:9-11 Note where John says fellow servants and brethren that should be killed as they were, which means those of the elect of God who refuse to take the mark of the beast and will die a martyr's death for their faith in Christ.
Rev 7:13-17 Which came out of great tribulation is the fullness of the Gentiles who also died a martyr's death for the sake of Christ.
Rev 8:13 Three woes are that of warning the people on earth that the last three trumpets are about to sound.
Rev 13:11-18 Here John is showing us about mystery Babylon ruling the world as a one world government. 666 represents the number of the beast and the mark is the action of the hands and thoughts of the mind as many will be deceived and accept this mark.
Rev 14:14-20 The harvest of Gods Children who are still alive at this time as they are being protected against the vial judgments that will fall on those who have rejected Christ.
Rev 16:11,15 And they repented not. The elect of God are told to watch for the return of Christ as He comes like a theif and we are to keep our garments clean and not found in shame
Rev 18:23, 24 We have now come out of great tribulation through the persecution of the revived Roman Empire and Christ is about to return for His Bride
Rev 19:7,8 We being the Bride of Christ have now made ourselves ready for His coming as those who are still alive at this time and asleep in the grave have endured until the last day when Christ returns and destroys the beast and false prophet and sends His angels out to gather the Bride up to meet Jesus in the air.
Rev 20:4-6 These verses show that we went through much annihilation and endured until the end being the last day when Christ returns.
Rev 20:12-15 The Great White Throne judgment and Jesus judgment for the works we did or did not do for him here on earth
Consecrated Life
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I gathered that already.
That is why I asked who do think this single individual is that Jesus is putting up as someone who will be chosen in the future ?:
Jhn 5:43
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive
The Bible never defines just one antichrist, but says even now there are many and in the end of days will be the last time, 1 John 2:18. We have to remember that Satan is a created spirit and needs to work through others in order to build his literal kingdom here on earth as the war in heaven between Michael and Satan has not happened yet, Rev 12:7-12. This will be a Luciferian system of political, economic, military, enviromental, educational and false religious power.
The beast that will rise up out of the sea, as the sea here is symbolic of people and nations as in a sea of humanity, Daniel Chapter 7:1-8; Revelation 17:15, gives power to the beast that comes up out of the earth who is the last antichrist/ false prophet/son of perdition. His works is the abomination that causes desolation that Jesus forewarned us of in Matthew 24:15 and Daniel who explained this last of the seven remaining nations that still exist today and has always persecuted God's people from the time of Babylon up to present day unto the end of days, Daniel Chapter 7:1-8; Matthew 24:15; Revelation 13; Revelation 17:15. This will be the time of the greatest falling away from truth as this last antichrist, through lying signs and wonders will promise peace and safety and then sudden destruction comes upon them who bow down and takes the mark of this beast, 1 Thessalonians 5:1-6.
Jesus said those who will endure in the faith of Christ unto the end the same shall be saved, Matthew 24:13. Satan said, I will ascend into heaven; I will exalt my throne above the stars of God (other ruling powers) I will sit also upon the Mount of the Congregation in the sides of the north (Jerusalem). I will ascend above the clouds, I will be like the Most High, Isaiah 14:12-15. The last antichrist, (as there have been many and even now are in the world), is the son of perdition being the false prophet that Satan works through as he will sit on the sides of the North declaring himself as being God and will cause many to bow down to him and take his mark as many will believe the lying signs and wonders he will show, Rev 13. Again, nowhere in scripture does it capitalize antichrist, but mans misinterpretations capitalize it and makes it one Antichrist that we are to watch for before Christ returns.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Consecrated Life
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How can satan have his final day on earth, & his final unholy counterfeit performance as the bible describes, setting himself up as God, without having his own personal antichrist to be worshipped, and his own personal unholy spirit as well ?
How could satan accomplish this unholy trinity the bible describes him achieving in the last days void of any antichrist who will be worshipped?
You don't believe satan desires his own personal counterfeit Christ , that he can raise from the dead as Christ was raised ?
That is a yes or a no by the way ?
I have read nothing in scripture of satan having his final day void of a supporting counterfeit unholy counterfeit christ ?
Have you ?
Rev 13:12
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
journeymanisnothing
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I believe in Jn.5:43, Jesus was talking about anyone who who comes in his own name.
Consecrated Life
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" Comes" to do what , as you understand it ?
journeymanisnothing
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I take "In his own name", to mean for his own honor,
How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? vs.44
Consecrated Life
Member
So he comes in his own "honor" for what purpose, to do what ?
What mission is Jesus implying this most honorable person is on ?
He "comes" to apply his " honor " to what ultimate ends as you understand it ?
journeymanisnothing
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To be esteemed by others. Pride in self is what motivates them,
They love the place of honor at banquets and the best seats in the synagogues and elaborate greetings in the marketplaces, and to have people call them 'Rabbi.' Mt.23:6-7
trump gesssh i have so many mixed emotions about him. eh done some things i liked pulled us out of the paris treaty put U.N on notice about the u.s . his latest announcement ijust dont know lol but we are in agreement on the restrainer