is the end upon us?

[Blake]

More like,,, I get the impression you believe the glass is half empty, and can't wait for Christ to pour the rest on the ground. I perceive the glass is half full, and the Body of Christ has been working to fill it for two millennia.

Some simply have different hearts than you do, is all. Not that I in any mote compare in the slightest, but I'm more given over to the convictions of Leonard Ravenhill and David Wilkerson, than I am to enthusiasm. Some are spurned forward from the perception of their own sins and failures. Some are wooed forward by grace and mercy. I consider both at all times. There is much to rejoice over in the body, and likewise there's plenty to lament over.

Would Israel have told Zephaniah that he was a pessimist when he told them God's warnings in chapter 1?

 

[reba]

IF i had an thought that these times were the 'end' I would say '''Hello Jesus' this would be the true the beginning right?

 

[jay55]

be ready!!!!!!!

Looks like your odds are pretty good if you go to church.

 

[turnorburn]

Its the end alright this is the sign we've been waiting for...

First Time in World History Judge Recognizes Two Chimpanzees as Legal Persons, Grants them Writ of Habeas Corpus

http://www.nonhumanrightsproject.or...al-persons-grants-them-writ-of-habeas-corpus/

 

[Sinthesis]

Some simply have different hearts than you do, is all. Not that I in any mote compare in the slightest, but I'm more given over to the convictions of Leonard Ravenhill and David Wilkerson, than I am to enthusiasm. Some are spurned forward from the perception of their own sins and failures. Some are wooed forward by grace and mercy. I consider both at all times. There is much to rejoice over in the body, and likewise there's plenty to lament over.

Would Israel have told Zephaniah that he was a pessimist when he told them God's warnings in chapter 1?

Zephaniah was a Prophet of God. Today's nattering nabobs of negativism don't convey the same authority.

 

[Blake]

I imagine if some of these prophets walked the earth today, they might share some of my same convictions. But I apologize if I have caused you any offense.

 

[Edward]

By His WORD, he has created a new heaven and a new earth, and yet the common theme us to always look for the end. Should we not rather look to the beginning instead of the end?

Ah! You've already posted my thoughts. It's not the end at all but new beginnings. So don't worry Brothers & Sisters, these things must be.



Scripture says Damascus will be wiped out in one night. Conditions make that ripe to happen soon...

 

[Sinthesis]

Ah! You've already posted my thoughts. It's not the end at all but new beginnings. So don't worry Brothers & Sisters, these things must be.



Scripture says Damascus will be wiped out in one night. Conditions make that ripe to happen soon...

It wouldn't be the first time.

 

[Sinthesis]

I imagine if some of these prophets walked the earth today, they might share some of my same convictions. But I apologize if I have caused you any offense.

I'm not offended. Since the times of the prophets, one greater than the prophets, Jesus Christ, has walked the earth, overcome the world, defeated death. When Jesus sends us out to change the world shouldn't we go with confidence?

Jhn 17:13 - And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
Jhn 17:14 - I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Jhn 17:15 - I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
Jhn 17:16 - They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Jhn 17:17 - Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Jhn 17:18 - As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
​

Hiding in a cave of righteousness lamenting how much work hasn't been done is not the way one shares in the victory of Christ. However, it is precisely what the prophet Elijah did (1 Kings 19) because he could not yet have had the strength of Jesus' finished work to draw upon. We have been given better.

Mat 13:16 - But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
Mat 13:17 - For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.​

 

[ezrider]

Do you believe the new heaven and the new earth in the book of Revelation is something we are still waiting for in the future?

Do you consider yourself to be a new creature in Christ?

Yes to both, and I would ask if you believe the book of Revelation refers to only those born of God. Thanks.

Thanks for answering. As to your question, I am not sure I understand what you are asking when you when you say does it refer only to those born of God. Maybe you could restate your question so I might understand your context better.

Now as a follow up to the questions that I asked of you, you answered yes to both. Being that the new heaven and the new earth is part of the new creation, how can you consider yourself to be a new creature in Christ outside of the new creation?

 

[Eugene]

Being that the new heaven and the new earth is part of the new creation, how can you consider yourself to be a new creature in Christ outside of the new creation?

Hey Brother ezrider, I hope I can give a bit better explanation of my thought. First, I am a Dispensationalist as to the work of God through the ages, and just as God created Adam and Eve, they were not all the creation He had planned for us even prior to the foundation of the world. (Eph 1:4). We are God's work in progress, and He isn't through with us yet; in other words, it ain't over. (Eph 2:10)

One part of the new birth if I'm referring to it correctly concerning Adam and Eve is the shedding of blood in order to cover them in righteousness. Even Abel offered that symbol of Jesus' sacrifice. (Gen 4:4) And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

At this point I would ask if those of Adam becoming God's children due to their offering were also a new creation? Heb 9:22 . . without shedding of blood is no remission. Do we become a new creature in Christ differently other than the point of God taking out a people for His name out of the Gentiles? Is the creation, and the order of events complete in the plan of God?

Another thing for the moment is the fact that when we are born of God, there is our experience. In Christ we have overcome the world as to its penalty of sin (Joh 16:33), and in Jesus we are as good as there.
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus.
But as with Israel entering Canaan there were battles as they learned to overcome the habit and dominion of sin in their lives. You can read much of that effort Paul had in Romans Chapter Seven, but then concluded there is no condemnation to them in Christ Jesus. (Rom 8:1).

2 Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new, but though we are not charged with sin outside of consequence, there remains the presence of sin we are to be delivered from when we are taken into the very personage of Jesus. I've spun my wheels and will leave it at this for the moment if I have done any good to anyone.
Blessings in Christ Jesus.

 

[turnorburn]

If there's any truth to this story Jesus is coming soon Very Soon...

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[JohnDB]

Hi Brother CE!
There are some indicators many look for; some don’t, but I’ll list a couple or so.
Luk 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
To me this takes in a whole lot of subjection to be ignored.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

What would get my attention?
Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Israel presently doesn’t observe the daily sacrifice, but one day they will begin again and then have it taken from them 1290 days prior to the middle of the tribulation.
Dan 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
Although these nations resemble the nations Nebuchadnezzar saw, they are not Daniel’s vision. The one of Nebuchadnezzar figure the beginning of Gentile times, and those of Daniel the end of Gentile times.

There will other differences also in the two scenes as shown by notes I have by Gene Hawkins below.
“Nebuchadnezzar's dream image pictured four world empires, likewise Daniel's dream image pictures four world empires but now there is this difference. Nebuchadnezzar saw this fantastic beautiful man with the head of gold, and you know he had these big old strong shoulders and his midsection was of the silver, then it went on to brass and just a beautiful thing to behold you might say. Nebuchadnezzar would have seen it from man's point of view, but Daniel saw these same world empires from God's point of view and they are beasts. God says man without God is a beast, and as we go on in this image we find that these men have become more beastly as time goes on.”

But there’s coming a time of Daniel 7:20-21 where a little horn (a man of sin) comes forth.
Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. If we indeed see this on the horizon we'd better be ready; not all the church is the bride, and some come to Jesus out of great tribulation and are even servants (Rev 7:14-15) instead of a bride adorned for her husband ruling jointly with Him. (Rom 8:17).

These passages in Daniel I have studied ad nauseum. They were given by an angel later named Palmony (wonderful numberer). I think of him as Gabriel but I'm digressing.

Anyway the passages with the numbers refer to exactly the time and date of the Temple being completed and its subsequent history including the end in 70AD.
I have dug extensively into this and found accuracy to the hour of fulfillment.

The very last numbers are the big question as they don't coordinate with the Leverite calendar or Roman or any calendar except maybe Babylonian/Chaldean star charts. But I'm needing a subscription to JANES to finalize my studies. (Journal of ancient near Eastern studies).

But its a lot of money for a bit of knowledge. If someone else could research this it would be awesome.... There are so many hacks.

 

[turnorburn]

This will bring you up to speed, taken from The Two Babylons..

http://www.piney.com/His61.html

 

[ezrider]

Hey Brother ezrider, I hope I can give a bit better explanation of my thought. First, I am a Dispensationalist as to the work of God through the ages,

2 Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new, but though we are not charged with sin outside of consequence, there remains the presence of sin we are to be delivered from when we are taken into the very personage of Jesus. I've spun my wheels and will leave it at this for the moment if I have done any good to anyone.

Thank you for taking the time to try and explain yourself, especially in light of the questions that I asked of you; but this gets to the point of the questions that I asked of you and what I see to be a contradiction in your response. If as the scripture declares that ALL THINGS ARE BECOME NEW: Then that would seemingly include the new heaven and the new earth as well. ALL THINGS ARE BECOME NEW.

So if you believe that you are a new creature in Christ, why then do you deny that all things are become new? Why do you think the new heaven and new earth are yet in the future? Does the new creature exist outside of the new creation?

.

 

[Eugene]

in light of the questions that I asked of you; but this gets to the point of the questions that I asked of you and what I see to be a contradiction in your response. If as the scripture declares that ALL THINGS ARE BECOME NEW: Then that would seemingly include the new heaven and the new earth as well. ALL THINGS ARE BECOME NEW.

Fair enough.
2 Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
What of those not in Christ? Are we speaking in context of creation and judgment alone as pertaining to all men?

 

[Sinthesis]

These passages in Daniel I have studied ad nauseum. They were given by an angel later named Palmony (wonderful numberer). I think of him as Gabriel but I'm digressing.

Anyway the passages with the numbers refer to exactly the time and date of the Temple being completed and its subsequent history including the end in 70AD.
I have dug extensively into this and found accuracy to the hour of fulfillment.

The very last numbers are the big question as they don't coordinate with the Leverite calendar or Roman or any calendar except maybe Babylonian/Chaldean star charts. But I'm needing a subscription to JANES to finalize my studies. (Journal of ancient near Eastern studies).

But its a lot of money for a bit of knowledge. If someone else could research this it would be awesome.... There are so many hacks.

Could you give us a summary?

 

[ezrider]

By His WORD, he has created a new heaven and a new earth, and yet the common theme is to always look for the end. Should we not rather look to the beginning instead of the end?

It’s possible you’re looking at things from the wrong viewpoint shown John.

When you responded to my suggestion that we look to the beginning rather than the end, you questioned if I was looking at things from the wrong viewpoint. But then you followed up with a couple of verses that actually help to identify that viewpoint.

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus.

The viewpoint that I look from: While we are yet dead in our sins, he has quickened us together with Christ, and has made us to sit together in heavenly places. From this viewpoint we see that we are both dead and alive in Christ. But what of the new creature? It is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption;

1 Corinthians 15:42-44
So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

The new creature in Christ is sown in death and raised a living Spirit. The new creature in Christ bearing witness of himself as the death of the former gives way to the life of the later.

2 Corinthians 4:6-7
For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

The new creature in Christ, we have this treasure in our flesh bodies: While we are yet dead in our sins, he hath quickened together with the Spirit of Christ. From death to life. But which is the beginning and which is the end? Do you not look for the end of death and the beginning of life? And so I ask the question should we not look to the beginning instead of the end? Which is easier to identify, the end of the first or the beginning of the second?

Consider an orchard that has bore fruit her many years, but has begun to die off. And consider a new orchard grown of her seedlings. It is easy to identify the signs of death in the first orchard. How she stopped bearing fruit, and then no longer grew leaves anymore. Just rows of dead trees still standing. But for how long? When will it be their end? The seedlings of the dead trees shall grow to bear their own fruit before you can identify the end of those that proceeded it.

For which do you seek bare record of: The end of that which is already dead, or the beginning of that which does live?

 

[Eugene]

I ask the question should we not look to the beginning instead of the end? Which is easier to identify, the end of the first or the beginning of the second?

Good question. To me we do have new life in Christ, a new beginning, and old things have passed away. What now? Though seated in the heavens in Christ (Eph 2:6) we remain in these fleshly bodies, 1 Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

As with John in Rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter. To me our lives are a progression of yielding to God’s ongoing work in us until we are in His very presence. Here we see three aspects of our walk in Christ

Skipping to Paul’s life in:
2 Ti 4:6 . . . the time of my departure is at hand.
2 Ti 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
2 Ti 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

I’ll leave off for the present time and see if this makes any sense to you.

Blessings in Christ Jesus.

 

[JohnDB]

Could you give us a summary?

I was going to while here on vacation and realized that I needed my notes. Which are at home in Nashville and I currently am in GA backwoods so deep that they pipe in sunshine and the internet is not reliable enough to stream movies.

But suffice it to say that when Daniel changes languages to formal Hebrew his messages are strictly for the Jews and not for Goyim Converts.
I found the prophesy especially telling because they were going to dedicate the Temple in the morning but had an issue with the altar so it got delayed to the afternoon and the prophesy was accurate to the hour....
At that time, neither Daniel or Jeremiah were considered scriptures as they hadn't stood the test of 100 years yet...so no one believed their prophesy. But the accuracy was incredible.