Is the Resurrection of Life eternal?

[FreeGrace]

What I perceive as I read through these pages and pages and pages of endless argument found in thread after thread after thread of these discussions is that both sides may be missing the mark and looking past those Scriptures that do not support their view while hanging their theology strictly on those Scriptures that do support their view.

I sure don't see that at all. Both sides cannot be "missing the mark" since both sides are diametrically opposed. Only one view can be correct. And it would be impossible for neither side to be incorrect. Because there are only 2 possibilities regarding one's salvation.

If people cannot discern Scripture to determine which view is correct, then they should bow out of such discussions, since they are unable to confirm either view. If that's the case, what would be the point of discussion?

From my perspective, I've found scant effort from the position of loss of salvation to deal with John 10:27-29 with a scholarly approach. If they did, they would realize that what Jesus taught is eternal security.

If He wasn't teaching eternal security, what in the world was He saying? They never have an answer.

Nor can they find any legitimate 'condition' for never perishing that extends beyond just receiving the gift of eternal life.

That's where the problem lies with that position. The truth is directly in front of them. But they don't (want to) see it.

That's my assessment.

 

[JLB]

I've already addressed this multiple times.


Since I've never made such a claim, the request is illogical and irrelevant.

Does that mean you agree with what Jesus said in John 5:29 concerning those who will come forth in the resurrection of life?

• those who have done good, to the resurrection of life

I have asked that if you don’t agree with these words, then please post a scripture that says “those who have done evil, will also come forth in the resurrection of life”, which is the opposite of those who have done evil, will come forth in the resurrection of life.


Also I asked if Jesus said these words in John 5:29 or did JLB?


Can you answer this question?



JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

I find it rather interesting that no verses are provided that say what is being claimed here.

How is one "Spiritually renewed"? Faith in Christ. So let's use the same words the Bible uses for how to be saved and receive eternal life.

And your statement is in error. No one is "given the PROMISE of eternal life". Where is that stated? In FACT, the believer in Christ is given eternal life. They possess it in the present tense. It's not some future promise dangled in front of them like a carrot before a horse.

Consider these verses and the tense referring to eternal life: all PRESENT TENSE.
John 3:16,36, 5:24, 6:47, 10:28, 11:25-27, 1 John 5:13


Even a cursory reading of this passage shows that this crowd were no "lip servers". No. In fact, they did great things in His name. Have any of us today done what they did? no. And Jesus doesn't call them on lying, if they didn't do those things. Instead, He gets to the heart of the problem; they never trusted in Him as Savior.

They thought good works would get them into heaven.


I suggest re-reading what you've been posting. They clearly suggest that one must have good works in order to be saved.

Many do great things and speak in the name of Jesus, but yet neglect the power and authority they should be under to do good works. They believe their good works will get them to heaven neglecting that of grace through faith that saves us, Ephesians 2:8. They do it by their own will as they know not the will of God and what did Jesus say to them in Matthew 7:21-23. These lip servers had no faith and certainly not Spiritually born again as they only know the name Jesus, but do not know Him personally.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. 30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Not my will, but God's will be done. The resurrection of life is eternal life only given to those who are in Gods will as the good works they do are done unto the honor and glory of the Lord being the continued good works Christ started and now works through those of faith.

 

[JLB]

Because there are only 2 possibilities regarding one's salvation.

28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:28-29

Since there are only two possible views about those who will come forth in the resurrection of life:

1. Those who have done good
2. Those who have done evil

Which one of these two choices will come forth in the resurrection of life?



JLB

 

[artful horizon]

Sure. Someone can extract verses from the bible so as to argue and sustain the point that Satan conspires with God to mess with our minds.
They can start with extracts from the Book of Job.
That doesn't mean such extractions are truly teaching us by God's ordination that he conspires with Satan in order to mess with our minds.
It means that those who are of dark intention are able to cherry pick verses in order to argue God's cherry picked words say whatever they want it to say.

Those people will answer to God for that.
What God said about Salvation was taught by his only son. We have nothing to do with our Salvation so it is preposterous to say we are capable of repealing God's gift when God says his gifts are not able to be revoked.
The cherry pickers that renounce that and call God a liar are not in Christ. Because those who are in Christ don't make a habit of sinning and they sure don't work to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. But the cherry pickers do as a matter of course. Those blasphemers are the one's that cherry pick verses so as to say God's gift of Salvation is revocable by those for whom the gift was meant.

They're going to Hell. Meanwhile, it can't be missed that they're hoping to have a lot of company on the way.

 

[artful horizon]

And another thing. Doing good isn't something we do in order to pave our way to Heaven. Cherry pickers think otherwise of course.
Good works are proof of our being in Christ. They are not efforts undertaken to stay there.

If cherry pickers would work as hard to find Christ as they do to lead those in Christ astray they'd be better people.

 

[chessman]

This is my question to you

Would you answer mine first? It’s relevant. It was quoted by you but not answered but here it is again:

Do you believe every creature of God (like everyone who has been eternally Spiritually renewed and given eternal life) is good?

 

[JLB]

And another thing. Doing good isn't something we do in order to pave our way to Heaven. Cherry pickers think otherwise of course.
Good works are proof of our being in Christ. They are not efforts undertaken to stay there.

If cherry pickers would work as hard to find Christ as they do to lead those in Christ astray they'd be better people.

28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:28-29

Since there are only two possible views about those who will come forth in the resurrection of life:

1. Those who have done good
2. Those who have done evil

Which one of these two choices will come forth in the resurrection of life?



JLB

 

[artful horizon]

28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:28-29

Since there are only two possible views about those who will come forth in the resurrection of life:

1. Those who have done good
2. Those who have done evil

Which one of these two choices will come forth in the resurrection of life?



JLB

1 Timothy 4:1 Amplified Bible (AMP)
Apostasy
4 But the [Holy] Spirit explicitly and unmistakably declares that in later times some will turn away from the faith, paying attention instead to deceitful and seductive spirits and doctrines of demons,

 

[JLB]

1 Timothy 4:1 Amplified Bible (AMP)
Apostasy
4 But the [Holy] Spirit explicitly and unmistakably declares that in later times some will turn away from the faith, paying attention instead to deceitful and seductive spirits and doctrines of demons,

I couldn’t agree more.

Will those who depart from the faith, still come forth in the resurrection of life?


JLB

 

[JLB]

And another thing. Doing good isn't something we do in order to pave our way to Heaven. Cherry pickers think otherwise of course.
Good works are proof of our being in Christ. They are not efforts undertaken to stay there.

If cherry pickers would work as hard to find Christ as they do to lead those in Christ astray they'd be better people.

28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:28-29

Since there are only two possible views about those who will come forth in the resurrection of life:

1. Those who have done good
2. Those who have done evil

Which one of these two choices will come forth in the resurrection of life?



JLB

 

[artful horizon]

I couldn’t agree more.

Will those who depart from the faith, still come forth in the resurrection of life?


JLB

Hey buddy, when the New Testament is denied and can't get through it would be absolutely silly for this Christian to try.

Matthew 7:15-20
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

 

[FreeGrace]

Does that mean you agree with what Jesus said in John 5:29 concerning those who will come forth in the resurrection of life?

It means that "done good" in v.29 is the same as believing in Christ in v.24 where Jesus said that those who believe POSSESS eternal life.

Obviously.

 

[FreeGrace]

Many do great things and speak in the name of Jesus, but yet neglect the power and authority they should be under to do good works.

The issue is not one of "neglect" but failure to believe in Christ. Let's use the same wording that the Bible uses.

 

[FreeGrace]

28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:28-29

Since there are only two possible views about those who will come forth in the resurrection of life:

1. Those who have done good
2. Those who have done evil

Which one of these two choices will come forth in the resurrection of life?

I've already answered this, but will do so again.

Only 2 choices: either believe in Christ and receive eternal life, or reject Christ and end up perishing.

 

[artful horizon]

The issue is not one of "neglect" but failure to believe in Christ. Let's use the same wording that the Bible uses.

That right there nails the cherry picking proclivities of the dedicated pickers. Failure to believe in Christ.
What you're battling here is the truth of God counter effort. You know that, right?

 

[FreeGrace]

Will those who depart from the faith, still come forth in the resurrection of life?

If one departs the faith, that means they were at one time IN the faith, right? And, to be in the faith means they have believed in Christ, and, therefore, have received the free gift of eternal life.

And Jesus said that those He gives eternal life shall never perish.

I can't imagine which part of "shall never perish" isn't being understood.

 

[FreeGrace]

That right there nails the cherry picking proclivities of the dedicated pickers. Failure to believe in Christ.
What you're battling here is the truth of God counter effort. You know that, right?

Yeppers.

 

[artful horizon]

Yeppers.

You enjoy this as a hobby?

 

[artful horizon]

John 10:27-29 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.

John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

What about those few verses are hard to understand? We can walk away from the faith , sure. But those who are in Christ are his forever because we were his before the beginning of our time. Ephesians 1:4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love.

Jesus said in those three verses above that while we can leave him, he will never cast us away. Arguments to the contrary are contrary to the truth of God's word.
Why , concerning those who don't believe?
The Bible tells their fate too. We know their name. Jesus doesn't.
We're going to argue and change all that? And to what end? God calls those who are his to him. He knows them by name. They can't resist. We didn't resist. Who chooses Hell when Heaven is paradise?
Think about the egoism and pride that hopes to lead people to believe them! Over God's eternal and written word. So that we have no excuse not to know what God himself says.

Revelation 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Hell is a damned shame. But for those that hope to lead people away from the truth of God and his word concerning eternal salvation, it is destiny, as God says too. And it was a choice of those headed there.