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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
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Israelis demand Third Temple
- Thread starter JLB
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Edward
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It's not upsetting to me at all. In faith I figure that God is doing what He wants to do. I do believe the story and that Ron was directed to find it. If you don't believe it well, then don't believe it. I'm at peace with it in my spirit. It's possible to be too legalistic about things and I do think that you should pray about it if it concerns you.
The subject came up and I was just trying to shine a little light and share what I've heard and watched about it. I'm not here to argue about it or to take up a soapbox for Mr. Wyatt. Watch the video, pray about it and take it as you will. I think the Ark's been found. I could be wrong. I could be right.
th1b.taylor
Member
Edward posted a video of the discover whose name I did not now because it isn't jn my source material, the Bible. But if you just want an answer do begin the request, " Now, Bill." That is condensing and rude.
Roro1972
Member
I have no question for you
Are you saying Jesus was calling this place a name and it has no other value ?
Mat_24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
From what i understand you to be saying the The Holy Place in the Temple was not really Holy. Holy Place is just a name. Like living room or closet... just a name right?
Corn Pop
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Its not literal. No one can sit in the temple as God because a temple does not have a throne for anyone to sit as God. Unless a priest wants to sit on the lid of the ark of the covenant that doesnt exist with no one else around and tell themself they are God.
And it is speaking a falling away and the man of destruction, not someone sitting as god everyone will acknowledge or worship.
Christ broke the power of the devil through his death who sat as God and he cast him out of heaven, and then for 3.5 years within a generation from Christ from 66- 70ad Jerusalem was Judged and burned with fire. Only those in Judea who seen the signs fleed to the mountains amd had a place prepared, they seen Jerusalem surrounded by the army of the North(Rome), and as Josephus wrote the entire land had been slain no person left and completely layed waste with the destruction of the temple in 70ad where not one stone was left upon another because he said anyone who returned to Jerusalem would never had even recognised it was a city and only a few random structures were left standing.
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tim-from-pa
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Explain to all of us all please the logical reasoning that just because there's no throne (seat) in the temple that this means it must therefore be a non-literal temple. I mean, my tire tread is low and need new tires, therefore since my car is not perfect I must need an oil change, too.
Historical anti-christs (e.g. Antiochus Epiphanes) have placed abominations in the temple, therefore if there is no seat in the temple, such a bad character can have one put there.
Corn Pop
Member
Because nothing in the new testament, that is the fullfillment of the old testament, was written to us. Jesus was speaking to people at that time, Paul was speaking to people at that time, Revelation was written to people at that time, the other Apostles were speaking to people at that time.
We don't even have Pauls letters and replies, even when Paul said in his letter 'remember I told you these things when i was with you' and that is not us, he was not speaking to us, nor can we understand. People are trying to place the 1st century into 2017.
I do not believe scripture was written to us and nor can anyone understand it, that is why I believe christianity is a complete confused mess and why there are thousands of denominations and no one agrees with anyone and everyone thinks they have the Holy Spirit that says a million different things.
Christ took away the sin of the world and fullfilled the law that was not even given to the gentiles anyhow.
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The reason there are so many denominations, is people who don't have the Holy Spirit, try to teach what the Holy Spirit said in the scriptures.
Then there are those who have strongholds, who have a fortified belief system, that is built into there mind, whereby the read the scriptures through a preconceived mind set that is not from God.
Only the truth given by the Spirit can destroy these strongholds in a person who is willing to be free.
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled. 2 Corinthians 10:4-6
Jesus Christ will return to gather His people at the resurrection and rapture, and destroy the false messiah who sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
- Revealing himself openly by going to the temple and working false signs and wonders.
And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
- There is nothing invisible about the literal false messiah.
- There is nothing invisible about the literal signs and wonders that he performs.
- There is nothing invisible about his literal destruction by the coming of the Lord.
Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8
JLB
th1b.taylor
Member
Dan,
I am sorry but that smells of Universalism. Jesus did take the World's sins away, of course but no gift is received until it is accepted and that is why more and most people will not make the cut,
th1b.taylor
Member
Alright, as long as we are not attempting to disguise an argument.
Corn Pop
Member
I agree no gift is received until it is accepted and that is still the case whoever believes is saved, but i believe everything in the New testament was fullfilled.
Im not full preterism or Universalism.
Where there is no law there is no transgression, and gentiles never had the law so were never transgressors, yet there was still sin in the world before the law was given and Christ took away the sin of the world.
As soon as i believed in Christ I tried to be good and follow the Law because God's law is good, but I was only cursed.
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Roro1972
Member
I have no reason to argue with anyone here; you were upset cause I doubted the article I said Im sorry for upsetting you and ill just go along with my question unanswered. no big deal here. I have lots of questions Id like answers to but I get by without them.
th1b.taylor
Member
So which thought do you hod to, the Bible is the Written Word of God or the Word of God can be found in the Bible?
Corn Pop
Member
I haven't really figured out where I stand on all things yet.
But believing in Christ to be saved stands. I believe scripture because its true, but i dont think it was suppose to be in a collection called the bible and for everyone to read and understand. And I think the new testament is really the end of the old testament, the fullfillment.
We live under Gods grace till the end. No prophets, nothing more added to the scriptures, God has not spoken in 2000 years. Christ was crucified and Jerusalem was judged within a generation. It is finished.
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th1b.taylor
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Because God touched my heart by waking me up, I have been indwelt by the Holy Spirit and I know that the Bible is the Sacred Woed of God and I pray you soon discover the truth because it matters on where you stand.
Corn Pop
Member
I have no idea how people thinks its nothing when Christ said 'this generation will not pass till all these things are fullfilled ', a generation is 40 years, and within 40 years from Christs words Jerusalem went through tribulation for 3.5 years from 66-70ad, and like never seen before, the entire land was slayed and plundered and completely levelled with the temple. Those in Judea fleed to the mountains when they seen the signs and Jerusalem surrounded by the roman army.