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It’s not biblical!

Jethro Bodine said:
What Paul is providing is itself scripture. So even if you want to assign his information to that of extra Biblical, it's still scripture. But in this case (like so many others) Paul's inspiration comes from the OT - Deuteronomy 32:15 NIV.
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Don't be silly.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Those references you gave don't contain any information to be regarded as scripture.
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John 20:30 "Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; ".

2John 1:12 "Though I have much to write to you, I would rather not use paper and ink, but I hope to come to see you and talk with you face to face, so that our joy may be complete."

2Thess 2:15 "So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter."

As I said, they tell us that there is much more that what is written down and canonised
 
Jethro Bodine said:
You are terribly misinformed.

Do you recall the word 'corban' in scripture? Look it up and you'll begin to understand how it is the oral law that Jesus came against, not the written law.
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SOME items of oral tradition not all.

I have a book called Second Exodus by Martin Barrak, who is a Jew converted to Catholicism. He explains that the Jews as well as having the written Torah, also had an Oral Torah. On Mount Sinai God gave Moses additional instructions which were passed from father to son by word of mouth. This Oral Tradition was only to be written down if the Jewish people should ever find themselves so fragmented that the Oral Torah might be lost. The Rabbis deemed this to be the case in 190AD , 45 years after Rome finally razed Jerusalem. It was written down by Rabbi Judah Hanasi in about 200AD as the Mishna. Jewish sages in Jerusalem and Babylon wrote commentaries on the Mishna which are called the Gemara. The Mishna and the Gemara are called the Talmud, which was closed on about 600 AD
 
Mungo said:
SOME items of oral tradition not all.

I have a book called Second Exodus by Martin Barrak, who is a Jew converted to Catholicism. He explains that the Jews as well as having the written Torah, also had an Oral Torah. On Mount Sinai God gave Moses additional instructions which were passed from father to son by word of mouth. This Oral Tradition was only to be written down if the Jewish people should ever find themselves so fragmented that the Oral Torah might be lost. The Rabbis deemed this to be the case in 190AD , 45 years after Rome finally razed Jerusalem. It was written down by Rabbi Judah Hanasi in about 200AD as the Mishna. Jewish sages in Jerusalem and Babylon wrote commentaries on the Mishna which are called the Gemara. The Mishna and the Gemara are called the Talmud, which was closed on about 600 AD
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Since it is not in scripture it is not scripture.

You just aren't getting this. But I know what you're ultimately driving at is the Catholic leadership has authority to write canon. They do for you, not me, if that's the authority you want to assign to them. But as for me, I'm going with the original words of the law, the prophets, Jesus, and the writers of the New Testament. It is indeed sufficient to fully equip me as a believing, born again disciple of Christ. If you want to listen to the Catholic church and what they add to scripture that's you. Leave us out of that. We don't need it. It contradicts and twists the written word we do have. You will never convince me that the Catholic church has any God given authority because they have deviated and added to the sure word we do have from God.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Since it is not in scripture it is not scripture.
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Of course it's not scripture.
That is the point of the quote.

Jethro Bodine said:
You just aren't getting this. But I know what you're ultimately driving at is the Catholic leadership has authority to write canon. They do for you, not me, if that's the authority you want to assign to them. But as for me, I'm going with the original words of the law, the prophets, Jesus, and the writers of the New Testament. It is indeed sufficient to fully equip me as a believing, born again disciple of Christ. If you want to listen to the Catholic church and what they add to scripture that's you. Leave us out of that. We don't need it. It contradicts and twists the written word we do have. You will never convince me that the Catholic church has any God given authority because they have deviated and added to the sure word we do have from God.
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I will never convince you of anything because you only believe your own opinions.
 
Mungo said:
As I said, they tell us that there is much more than [not that] what is written down and canonised
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Yes, of course there is. It's not scripture, though.

The foundation of the Apostles and Prophets is established already. I will not listen to anybody who says they can add to what they wrote. They can expound on it. They can uncover it's deep mysteries. They can use various illustrations to teach the scriptures we have. But I reject anyone who says they somehow have authority to write canon. They do not. The foundation has already been laid and we have their writings to refer to and do not need additional canon from other people. It is sufficient for all things as it exists, and has existed for centuries.
 
Mungo said:
I will never convince you of anything because you only believe your own opinions.
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I will let you know when I'm sharing an opinion. Everything I say I back up with scripture. Not backed up with what someone thinks they can add to it, but with the original canon of scripture.
 
Mungo said:
What you are not getting is that both Jesus and Paul used information that was not scripture to them.
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And so it becomes scripture to the extent they use it. Not the source itself, but the way it is used in scripture and for the purpose they used it it became scripture.
 
Mungo said:
Jesus himself used oral tradition.
Then said Jesus to the crowds and to his disciples, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat (Mt 23:1-2)
Where is the seat of Moses mentioned in the OT?
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No, this is not oral tradition.
Moses seat of judgment is established in the law- Exodus 18:13-26.

The book of Judges is a history of various people who sat in Moses' seat of Judgment established in the law:

16Then the LORD raised up judges,e who saved them from the hands of those who plundered them. Judges 2:16
 
Jethro Bodine said:
No, this is not oral tradition.
Moses seat of judgment is established in the law- Exodus 18:13-26.

The book of Judges is a history of various people who sat in Moses' seat of Judgment established in the law:

16Then the LORD raised up judges,e who saved them from the hands of those who plundered them. Judges 2:16
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Where does that passage say 'seat'?
Where does that passage say that Moses seat was passed on?

Where does these accounts appear in the OT?
  • "But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, disputed about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a reviling judgment upon him, but said, 'The Lord rebuke you'" (Jude 1:9).
  • "Elijah was a man of like nature with ourselves and he prayed fervently that it might not rain, and for three years and six months it did not rain on the earth." (James 5:17).
 
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