Jesus Died For You To Be Saved

[Runningman]

No,never

Then Jesus was wrong or lied? He plainly said he gives eternal life to those who are given to him and that none will be lost, yet Judas was given to him and lost. So ready to dustbin Calvinism and hear what the Bible says?

 

[brightfame52]

Then Jesus was wrong or lied? He plainly said he gives eternal life to those who are given to him and that none will be lost, yet Judas was given to him and lost. So ready to dustbin Calvinism and hear what the Bible says?

Where did He say He gave judas eternal life ?

 

[Runningman]

Where did He say He gave judas eternal life ?

Jesus spoke directly to his 12 and told them they will inherit eternal life Matthew 12:29. There is also John 17:2,12 in which Judas was given eternal life when he was given to Jesus.

Matthew 19
29And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

 

[NoahK]

What are Christians saved from?

I will say from God's Holy wrath.

The consequences of their sin. Without Christ there will be accountability for all your sin.

 

[KV-44-v1]

No he didn't.

I agree, he didn't. He intentionally betrayed.

did Judas slip on a banana peel and "lose" his salvation, or did he reject Jesus by greedily pursuing sin????
the latter.

 

[7 Thunders]

We need to let God do the judging at the Great White Throne Judgment (which takes place after the Millennium). Only He knows whether or not Judas ever repented.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Sometimes God gives us people as thorns in our sides.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

I agree, he didn't. He intentionally betrayed.

did Judas slip on a banana peel and "lose" his salvation, or did he reject Jesus by greedily pursuing sin????
the latter.

As 7 Thunders said, only God truly knows who's saved.
Personally, I think murdering myself because of my own sinful conductwould also be sinful.
Pretty sure when it says "put the flesh to death", it means kill evil desire, not jump off a cliff.

 

[electedbyHim]

The consequences of their sin. Without Christ there will be accountability for all your sin.

I will stick with my original reply.

 

[rstrats]

I will stick with my original reply.

And what does His wrath consist of?

 

[electedbyHim]

And what does His wrath consist of?

Have you not read the Scriptures about Gods wrath and judgement on the unregenerate?

 

[rstrats]

Have you not read the Scriptures about Gods wrath and judgement on the unregenerate?

You're the one who used the word. I am simply curious what you think it is.

 

[electedbyHim]

You're the one who used the word. I am simply curious what you think it is.

Concise.

Wrath is defined as “the emotional response to perceived wrong and injustice,” often translated as “anger,” “indignation,” “vexation,” or “irritation.” Both humans and God express wrath. But there is vast difference between the wrath of God and the wrath of man. God’s wrath is holy and always justified; man’s is never holy and rarely justified.

In the Old Testament, the wrath of God is a divine response to human sin and disobedience. Idolatry was most often the occasion for divine wrath. Psalm 78:56-66 describes Israel’s idolatry. The wrath of God is consistently directed towards those who do not follow His will (Deuteronomy 1:26-46; Joshua 7:1; Psalm 2:1-6). The Old Testament prophets often wrote of a day in the future, the "day of wrath" (Zephaniah 1:14-15). God’s wrath against sin and disobedience is perfectly justified because His plan for mankind is holy and perfect, just as God Himself is holy and perfect. God provided a way to gain divine favor—repentance—which turns God’s wrath away from the sinner. To reject that perfect plan is to reject God’s love, mercy, grace and favor and incur His righteous wrath.

The New Testament also supports the concept of God as a God of wrath who judges sin. The story of the rich man and Lazarus speaks of the judgment of God and serious consequences for the unrepentant sinner (Luke 16:19–31). John 3:36 says, “Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him.” The one who believes in the Son will not suffer God’s wrath for his sin, because the Son took God’s wrath upon Himself when He died in our place on the cross (Romans 5:6–11). Those who do not believe in the Son, who do not receive Him as Savior, will be judged on the day of wrath (Romans 2:5–6).

Conversely, human wrath is warned against in Romans 12:19, Ephesians 4:26, and Colossians 3:8-10. God alone is able to avenge because His vengeance is perfect and holy, whereas man’s wrath is sinful, opening him up to demonic influence. For the Christian, anger and wrath are inconsistent with our new nature, which is the nature of Christ Himself (2 Corinthians 5:17). To realize freedom from the domination of wrath, the believer needs the Holy Spirit to sanctify and cleanse his heart of feelings of wrath and anger. Romans 8 shows victory over sin in the life of one who is living in the Spirit (Romans 8:5-8). Philippians 4:4-7 tells us that the mind controlled by the Spirit is filled with peace.

The wrath of God is a fearsome and terrifying thing. Only those who have been covered by the blood of Christ, shed for us on the cross, can be assured that God’s wrath will never fall on them. “Since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through Him!” (Romans 5:9).

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[NoahK]

I will stick with my original reply.

Ok. I guess God's Anger isn't the same as His Righteousness in my mind.

 

[brightfame52]

Jesus spoke directly to his 12 and told them they will inherit eternal life Matthew 12:29. There is also John 17:2,12 in which Judas was given eternal life when he was given to Jesus.

Matthew 19
29And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

Nothing is said about giving Judas eternal life there you read that into it

 

[brightfame52]

I agree, he didn't. He intentionally betrayed.

did Judas slip on a banana peel and "lose" his salvation, or did he reject Jesus by greedily pursuing sin????
the latter.

I don't know what you talking about

 

[Runningman]

Nothing is said about giving Judas eternal life there you read that into it

Matthew 19:29 was spoken to Jesus' 12 disciples which would include Judas. He was promised one of the 12 thrones and eternal life. Judas was a believer like the other 11.

Matthew 19
27Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? 28And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

 

[brightfame52]

Matthew 19:29 was spoken to Jesus' 12 disciples which would include Judas. He was promised one of the 12 thrones and eternal life. Judas was a believer like the other 11.

Matthew 19
27Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? 28And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

Nothing is said about giving Judas eternal life there you read that into it

 

[KV-44-v1]

Matthew 19
27Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? 28And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

Judas betrayed Jesus. Pretty sure he wasn't one of the 12 candidates after that.

 

[rstrats]

Concise.

Wrath is defined as “the emotional response to perceived wrong and injustice,” often translated as “anger,” “indignation,” “vexation,” or “irritation.” Both humans and God express wrath. But there is vast difference between the wrath of God and the wrath of man. God’s wrath is holy and always justified; man’s is never holy and rarely justified.

In the Old Testament, the wrath of God is a divine response to human sin and disobedience. Idolatry was most often the occasion for divine wrath. Psalm 78:56-66 describes Israel’s idolatry. The wrath of God is consistently directed towards those who do not follow His will (Deuteronomy 1:26-46; Joshua 7:1; Psalm 2:1-6). The Old Testament prophets often wrote of a day in the future, the "day of wrath" (Zephaniah 1:14-15). God’s wrath against sin and disobedience is perfectly justified because His plan for mankind is holy and perfect, just as God Himself is holy and perfect. God provided a way to gain divine favor—repentance—which turns God’s wrath away from the sinner. To reject that perfect plan is to reject God’s love, mercy, grace and favor and incur His righteous wrath.

The New Testament also supports the concept of God as a God of wrath who judges sin. The story of the rich man and Lazarus speaks of the judgment of God and serious consequences for the unrepentant sinner (Luke 16:19–31). John 3:36 says, “Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him.” The one who believes in the Son will not suffer God’s wrath for his sin, because the Son took God’s wrath upon Himself when He died in our place on the cross (Romans 5:6–11). Those who do not believe in the Son, who do not receive Him as Savior, will be judged on the day of wrath (Romans 2:5–6).

Conversely, human wrath is warned against in Romans 12:19, Ephesians 4:26, and Colossians 3:8-10. God alone is able to avenge because His vengeance is perfect and holy, whereas man’s wrath is sinful, opening him up to demonic influence. For the Christian, anger and wrath are inconsistent with our new nature, which is the nature of Christ Himself (2 Corinthians 5:17). To realize freedom from the domination of wrath, the believer needs the Holy Spirit to sanctify and cleanse his heart of feelings of wrath and anger. Romans 8 shows victory over sin in the life of one who is living in the Spirit (Romans 8:5-8). Philippians 4:4-7 tells us that the mind controlled by the Spirit is filled with peace.

The wrath of God is a fearsome and terrifying thing. Only those who have been covered by the blood of Christ, shed for us on the cross, can be assured that God’s wrath will never fall on them. “Since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through Him!” (Romans 5:9).

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But you didn't say what you think the wrath actually is.