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Joel Osteen, good or bad

allenwynne said:
I'm glad I'm not a Hellenistic/Greek/Jew/Whatever.
I'm a child of God that prospers daily.
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its important to understand the words and culture. a hellenstic jew lived like the greeks.

greek culture in a nut shell. many a gods. drunkards, fornication and homosexuality, materialistic. that doesn't meant there weren't torah observing Hellenistic jews. but the hatred of the Hebrew speaking ones and greek only speaking ones goes back to the time of Antiochus IV and that is for another thread.
 
jasonc said:
Deborah 13, not all poor Hebrews spoke greek. peter didn't. remember they had scribes that wrote for them that could translate.the rabbis could speak greek and remember how they thought of the apostles. poor and unlettered. in yeshiva then if they had that, they would teach the greek classics to the Hebrew male rabbi wannabe and then teach him how to debate that stuff. of the apostle how many were rabbis? oh ONE PAUL! the hellinistic greeks came from those that weren't in isreal and stayed in the other lands and forgot to speek Hebrew. that is why the lxx was printed for in part. for them!
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See when I said 'poor' you immediately thought money. When I read your post when you said poor, I didn't think you meant money but poor in lack of understanding Greek. Sorry about that.
At Pentecost the Jews heard the Gospel in their own languages, yup they can from all over the world, many languages and dialects. Many Jews had been leaving outside of Israel for over 500 yrs. as you know since the Babylonian captivity.
 
Deborah13 said:
See when I said 'poor' you immediately thought money. When I read your post when you said poor, I didn't think you meant money but poor in lack of understanding Greek. Sorry about that.
At Pentecost the Jews heard the Gospel in their own languages, yup they can from all over the world, many languages and dialects. Many Jews had been leaving outside of Israel for over 500 yrs. as you know since the Babylonian captivity.
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some jews. the Hellenistic jews in question actually were jews that sided with the greeks and assisted with the pollution of the torah. that is what I remember. I could be wrong.
 
allenwynne said:
I'm glad I'm not a Hellenistic/Greek/Jew/Whatever.
I'm a child of God that prospers daily.
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Paul said he,
Php 4:12 I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.
Php 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

2Co 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
2Co 9:9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.
2Co 9:10 Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness;)
2Co 9:11 Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causeth through us thanksgiving to God.
2Co 9:12 For the administration of this service not only supplieth the want of the saints, but is abundant also by many thanksgivings unto God;
 
All this debate over one person is a bit confusing to me. It's true, I don't trust Osteen, but that's my problem, not his. What should be a mutual concern is that I do not trust what Osteen says, because it often omits necessary portions of the Gospel. I have judged Osteen before, and was perhaps in error for doing so, but there is discernment to be had when considering what Osteen says. We should have that discernment in regard to all.
 
Yes, the Hellenized Jews were rather liberal Jews when compared to the Jews living in Jerusalem. We can see in Paul's ministry travels he would go to the synagogues where these Jews worshiped. It's not that they themselves were worshiping Greek gods but because they were born and raised in that culture mix they were less strict.

I'm sure it was some of these that were in the 3,000 Jews who were saved on the day of Pentecost, they were there to celebrate the Feast of Weeks, one of the 3 festival days required by the Law that all adult males go to Jerusalem to participate.
 
I can't link directly to the file, but I highly recommend listening to the interview with R. C. Sproul (media player on the right):

http://www.whitehorseinn.org/

Some things in there that are relevant to this discussion but the whole interview is worth listening to regardless. Alternatively, the White Horse Inn app has it as well.
 
allenwynne said:
You are saved by grace through faith.
One can cry out to God for mercy on their death bed and receive salvation.
I guess you can say that cry for mercy is repentance.
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No, crying out for mercy is not the same thing as repenting of sin and asking for forgiveness. There is a huge difference. Mercy is when God withholds something we deserve. If we repent and ask for forgiveness, then the sin is wiped clean, and erased from our record, then, by grace God imparts salvation to us through the Holy Spirit. Grace is something that is given that we do not deserve, or have earned on our own.
 
Knotical said:
No, crying out for mercy is not the same thing as repenting of sin and asking for forgiveness. There is a huge difference. Mercy is when God withholds something we deserve. If we repent and ask for forgiveness, then the sin is wiped clean, and erased from our record, then, by grace God imparts salvation to us through the Holy Spirit. Grace is something that is given that we do not deserve, or have earned on our own.
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Ephesians 2:8-9: NIV
For it is by grace you have been saved (past tense), through faith (as I said)--not by works (your repentance), so that no one can boast.
 
allenwynne said:
You are saved by grace through faith.
One can cry out to God for mercy on their death bed and receive salvation.
I guess you can say that cry for mercy is repentance.
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I'd have to look at that idea more. One could cry out for mercy... and even determine not to sin any more... without ever repenting (changing your mind about how you want to live, and who you will now choose to follow)
 
reba said:
semantics ?
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No, not really. The repentance the Bible keeps mentioning is directly referring to changing your mind, NOT about quitting sinning, or feeling sorry for a specific sin... as we have made it to mean.
After all, were not almost ALL Jews very much against sinning? They tried, probably harder than most of us do, to make sure they did not commit a sin.
 
Willie T said:
No, not really. The repentance the Bible keeps mentioning is directly referring to changing your mind, NOT about quitting sinning, or feeling sorry for a specific sin... as we have made it to mean.
After all, were not almost ALL Jews very much against sinning? They tried, probably harder than most of us do, to make sure they did not commit a sin.
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Remember, it appeared that "the rich young ruler" was doing a pretty good job of keeping all the laws (not sinning).
 
allenwynne said:
Ephesians 2:8-9: NIV
For it is by grace you have been saved (past tense), through faith (as I said)--not by works (your repentance), so that no one can boast.
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Right, we have been saved by grace, yet when we look at all of the people Jesus came into contact with and told were saved had repentant hearts. You have to first realize you are a sinner, repent of your sin, then accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior. That has nothing to do with works, even though it is an action on your part.

Works salvation requires that you leave a completely sinless life, which is impossible for us humans.
 
I'm curious................. Is there a verse in the Bible that says, "Repent of your sins"? I've found several that say, "Repent, then be forgiven of your sins", or something similar to that, but I'm still looking for the one that says we repent of sins.
 
Knotical said:
Right, we have been saved by grace, yet when we look at all of the people Jesus came into contact with and told were saved had repentant hearts. You have to first realize you are a sinner, repent of your sin, then accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior. That has nothing to do with works, even though it is an action on your part.

Works salvation requires that you leave a completely sinless life, which is impossible for us humans.
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You must show verses here.
I contest they do not exist.
 
allenwynne said:
You must show verses here.
I contest they do not exist.
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Just to name a couple, the lady who touched his robe when moving through a crown, then there is the thief on the cross who admonished the other one. Both are examples where these people showed repentant hearts and Jesus told them their salvation is secure.
 
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