John 3:16

[tjw]

John 3:16: For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

What does "believeth in Him" mean to you? Does it mean that you believe that Jesus is God? Or, does it mean that you believe that Jesus is God and that true believing involves doing certain things? Or, something else?

Be specific as you can.

 

[elijah23]

John 3:16: For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

What does "believeth in Him" mean to you? Does it mean that you believe that Jesus is God? Or, does it mean that you believe that Jesus is God and that true believing involves doing certain things? Or, something else?

Be specific as you can.

I think it means that you will be saved if you trust Jesus.

 

[shad]

I think it means that you will be saved if you trust Jesus.

Exactly! If we trust Him, we will obey Him everything that he teaches and commands.

 

[RichardBurger]

I think it means that you will be saved if you trust Jesus.

Exactly! If we trust Him, we will obey Him everything that he teaches and commands.

The only thing that we, under grace, are commanded to do is to place our faith, trust, confidence and hope in the finished work of Jesus on the cross. The verses in John 3:16-18 say this same thing.

The religious, who place their faith in what they do, think they are purchasing their salvation, God owes them salvation and they want others to place their faith in the same things.

 

[shad]

The religious, who place their faith in what they do, think they are purchasing their salvation, God owes them salvation and they want others to place their faith in the same things.

What is your point? Are you saying that we don't have to be obedient to Jesus for salvation?

 

[jasoncran]

shad the word believe comes from the old anglo word bylive. in other words live by what you trust.

if you really believe in the lord, it means that one will be doing those things that please the lord.

 

[shad]

shad the word believe comes from the old anglo word bylive. in other words live by what you trust.

if you really believe in the lord, it means that one will be doing those things that please the lord.

His followers have responsibility to spread the truth, not what we believe.

 

[jasoncran]

you dont get it,
by my statement, we LIVE BY the lord when we trust him as he is our source and in that we are FOUND doing those things that please him.

can we ever be like him in every aspect , shad, no sin, not even in the tiniest, that what it would take if we do it your way.

 

[shad]

you dont get it,
by my statement, we LIVE BY the lord when we trust him as he is our source and in that we are FOUND doing those things that please him.

can we ever be like him in every aspect , shad, no sin, not even in the tiniest, that what it would take if we do it your way.

What did I say wrong???? what do I not get? Please speak English

You have been practicing very secular and politically correct practices. It seems that it bothers you so much you have to object everything I say because of it.

From now on you will be ignored, so you will not get any responses from me.

take care.

 

[jasoncran]

no, its you who make it hard. where do i state by believing in him that we are to sin alot and not live the life.

we arent able to be good enough

shad you havent the calling to lead the group you are in, poor,very poor exegisis. i am not a trained minister and i can teach the basics. i have before.

i am no bible guru, but what i read i take in proper context, i have been off, but most of the time i am not as i have been under the serious bible living and preaching pastors and men and women who walked the walk.

your problem is that only your way is the right way.those who dont agree with your view must be off.

 

[Guest]

What did I say wrong???? what do I not get? Please speak English

You have been practicing very secular and politically correct practices. It seems that it bothers you so much you have to object everything I say because of it.

From now on you will be ignored, so you will not get any responses from me.

take care.

Frankly you have a tendency to accuse everyone who disagrees with you in the same way.
Better just go ahead and put us all on your black list now and then let the few whom you can tolerate and agree with back on the white list....it would save you a LOT of time weeding out those of us who dont and wont.

 

[Guest]

your problem is that only your way is the right way.those who dont agree with your view must be off.

Which would be just fine IF his way lined up with the whole of scripture, in context and in harmony.
Since it doesnt, we simply cant pretend that it does without being guilty ourselves of being cast about by false teachings.

 

[Cheyenne K]

To believe in. However, I personally think that there is more to this than more people think. Even Satan believes in Jesus, and unfortunately, today believing is all many people do. They do not accept or love. But when you look into "believeth" and "believe" one must not simply have affirmation in the mind. They must believe in the teachings and commandments as well, as these are the things that both God and Jesus told us to follow. We should then believe, should we not?

At least, that is my .

 

[shad]

To believe in. However, I personally think that there is more to this than more people think. Even Satan believes in Jesus, and unfortunately, today believing is all many people do. They do not accept or love. But when you look into "believeth" and "believe" one must not simply have affirmation in the mind. They must believe in the teachings and commandments as well, as these are the things that both God and Jesus told us to follow. We should then believe, should we not?

At least, that is my .

Well said. amen. :yes

Jesus says "if you love Me, keep My commandments." Without loving Him there is no salvation.

 

[Mohrb]

John 3:16: For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

What does "believeth in Him" mean to you? Does it mean that you believe that Jesus is God? Or, does it mean that you believe that Jesus is God and that true believing involves doing certain things? Or, something else?

Be specific as you can.

This is the reason I like comparing multiple translations, and looking at the greek myself. While "believe" (or "believeth" if you insist on old english conjugation) is a perfectly legitimate translation of the word "pisteuo"... Pisteuo has a more in depth connotation than to just "believe."

Satan knows for a fact that Jesus exists... he believes in Jesus and his Father. So, is it enough just to "believe?"

It's not simply a "belief" as when someone "believes" that cops will pull them over if they speed. It's more along the lines as a husband who "believes" in his wife... it's a matter of a deep trust, commitment, and exercised faith.

That's why I prefer this translation of John 3:16: “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life"

I think it expresses the concept of "pisteuo" more completely.

What's your guys' favorite rendition of this scripture?

 

[tjw]

John 3:16: For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

What does "believeth in Him" mean to you? Does it mean that you believe that Jesus is God? Or, does it mean that you believe that Jesus is God and that true believing involves doing certain things? Or, something else?

Be specific as you can.

This is the reason I like comparing multiple translations, and looking at the greek myself. While "believe" (or "believeth" if you insist on old english conjugation) is a perfectly legitimate translation of the word "pisteuo"... Pisteuo has a more in depth connotation than to just "believe."

Satan knows for a fact that Jesus exists... he believes in Jesus and his Father. So, is it enough just to "believe?"

It's not simply a "belief" as when someone "believes" that cops will pull them over if they speed. It's more along the lines as a husband who "believes" in his wife... it's a matter of a deep trust, commitment, and exercised faith.

That's why I prefer this translation of John 3:16: “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life"

I think it expresses the concept of "pisteuo" more completely.

What's your guys' favorite rendition of this scripture?

The next question would be what does "exercising faith in Him" mean to you?

 

[RichardBurger]

The religious, who place their faith in what they do, think they are purchasing their salvation, God owes them salvation and they want others to place their faith in the same things.

What is your point? Are you saying that we don't have to be obedient to Jesus for salvation?

It seems to me that you are saying we must keep the Law of Moses. Jesus never preached grace. He preached to the Jews who were under the Law of Moses. So, to me, you are preaching we must keep the Law of Moses when you say we must do all that Jesus commanded. --- We are not under the Law of Moses.

Jesus did not come to the Gentiles preaching the Law of Moses. He came to the Jews.

Let me make it clear that Jesus Christ did not come to minister to the Gentiles, nor was His message "the kingdom gospel" sent to the Gentiles. He did not offer the "kingdom of heaven" TO the Gentiles. The following scriptures support my view.

Matt 10:5-7 (NKJ)
5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.
6 "But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 "And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'

Matt 15:23-24 (NKJ)
23 But He answered her not a word. And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, "Send her away, for she cries out after us."
24 But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Rom 15:8 (NKJ)
8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

Note that in Matt 10:5-7 and Matt 15:23-24 Jesus said He did not come EXCEPT to the house of Israel. Jesus came to confirm/fulfill all that was written of Him in the O.T. His mission was to the Jews, not to the Gentiles. This is what Paul meant in Rom 15:8.

So when you say we, under grace, must keep Jesus' commandments you are saying we must keep the Law of Moses.

 

[shad]

What is your point? Are you saying that we don't have to be obedient to Jesus for salvation?

It seems to me that you are saying we must keep the Law of Moses.

Please read what I am saying. I am talking about Jesus' commandments, not Moses' law. Jesus says "if you love Me Keep my commandments"

 

[RichardBurger]

What is your point? Are you saying that we don't have to be obedient to Jesus for salvation?

It seems to me that you are saying we must keep the Law of Moses.

Please read what I am saying. I am talking about Jesus' commandments, not Moses' law. Jesus says "if you love Me Keep my commandments"

Okay, then explain the commandments you are talking about. Surely you can list them since you say we must keep them.

 

[shad]

What is your point? Are you saying that we don't have to be obedient to Jesus for salvation?

It seems to me that you are saying we must keep the Law of Moses.

Please read what I am saying. I am talking about Jesus' commandments, not Moses' law. Jesus says "if you love Me Keep my commandments"

Okay, then explain the commandments you are talking about. Surely you can list them since you say we must keep them.

It is all over the New Testament especially in the sermon on the mount. Example; love your enemy.