Justified while Ungodly !

[savedbygrace57]

Justified by His Grace !

Many of the enemies of the Gospel of God's Grace Acts 20:24

24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

They reject that True believers were Justified by Grace apart from their obedience of faith, citing erroneously as a proof text Rom 5:1; However what they willfully fail to realize and understand is that by citing one verse on what Paul wrote on Justification does not negate or make void what He wrote about it in another place, which was those Justified were Justified by Grace Titus 3:7

7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

These causes of Justification had nothing to do with anyone's Faith except Jesus Christ's !

 

[savedbygrace57]

Justified by His Grace ! pt 2

This Justification by Grace is solely on the exclusive right of God, that is it is done with respect to the Justified ones freely, without cause in and from them, undeservedly, and graciously, nothing in us or done by us good or bad. This brings us to the next consideration of being Justified by Grace, which is that Grace given us in Christ Jesus before the World Began 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Now how does one become to be in Christ Jesus before the World Began in the First Place ? Well it was not because of something or anything they did or did not do, but God God's gracious choice of them Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

God chose for Himself those whom were chosen in the Beloved, which is also called the Election of Grace Rom 11:5

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Hence : "according to the election of Grace" here in Rom 11:5 is the same as "according as He hath chosen us in Him" in Eph 1:4

And to all chosen, Grace was given and by this Grace they were Justified Titus 3:7

7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

This is also Justification before the World began by Grace since it was given us at that time 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

This scripture alone validates as an Gospel of God's Grace truth Acts 20:24 Justification by Grace before the World began !99

 

[savedbygrace57]

Justified by His Grace ! pt 3

In Light of these things, Justification by Grace given us in Christ Jesus before the World began 2 Tim 1:9, One may therefore ask the question, why the need to be Justified by Grace before the World began, when no sin had been yet committed, nor had entered into the World to be Justified from ?

The answer is quite simple, this World from the jump was Created for an Redemptive Purpose in the Eternal Purpose of Christ Eph 3:9-11

9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

Col 1:14-18

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Vs 14 tells why !

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

And so the Elect Chosen in Christ before the foundation, and given Grace in Him at that same date, were Pre Justified from the sin and condemnation they would incur from #1 Adam their Natural Head from Natural Creation, and #2 from the sins against God's law they personally would multiply in their own selves, being born sinners. Paul alludes to this spiritual Truth here Rom 5:15-16

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

This free gift of Grace here in Vs 15 is the same free gift of Grace given them in Christ Jesus before the World began, and so this Grace cancels out their first trespass in Adam and their many trespasses that they shall accumulate in their own physical lives in the flesh !

 

[savedbygrace57]

Justified by His Grace ! pt 4

Some may still argue, then why the Death of Christ ? Answer, because the Grace given them before the world began, was founded upon a Covenant agreement between the Father and the Son, that their sin, He [The Son] would come into the World and shed His Blood for their sin, and so its for His Blood of the Everlasting Covenant, and so that from that date, they were Justified by His Grace through the Redemption [in due time] that is in Christ Jesus, through faith in His Blood, not merely the Justified one's faith, but more importantly, God's Faith in His Son's Blood. What meaneth this statement ? Why would God have Faith in His Son's Blood ? Because it meant that the Father was well pleased and satisfied with the Covenant agreement, whereby in the fulness of time,His Son would become incarnate and shed His Blood for the sins of the Sheep, God had Faith in His own prearranged plan and Covenant agreement, not to overlook that He had Faith in His own Son's Faithfulness to fulfill His Covenant Engagement to shed His Blood, so God was able to deal mercifully even with the elect that sinned before the Cross , looking forward to His Justice against them also to be satisfied by His Son's Blood. This means that all the believers from OT and NT times were given Justification by Grace before the world began, based upon the redemption that is in Christ Jesus !

 

[savedbygrace57]

Raised again because of our Justification !

Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for [because of] our offences, and was raised again for [because of] our justification.

And since Christ's Resurrection was for or because of our Justification [believers] as a result of Him dying because of our sins , it also means that His Resurrection declares all for whom He died for their offenses Righteous; So it is Two things that the Resurrection of Christ declares

#1 That all for whom Christ died have been acquitted before God's Law and Justice of all their offenses, and # 2 that they stand before God's Law declared Righteous. This we know from the meaning of the word Justification in the verse, its the greek word dikaiōsis and means:


the act of God declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to him

2) abjuring to be righteous, justification


Yes, this is what the Resurrection of Christ declares for all whom offences He was delivered !

And this is True of them all before they become Believers, but is why they must become believers, nevertheless it is True while they themselves, prior to New Birth and Conversion, are enemies and in Unbelief, its by the Grace of God !

 

[savedbygrace57]

The justifier of him which believeth in Jesus !

Rom 3:26

To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.


Now in the original this verse reads in stead of " him which believeth in Jesus" it reads " him that is of the faith of Jesus"

The DRB bible translates it:

Through the forbearance of God, for the shewing of his justice in this time; that he himself may be just, and the justifier of him, who is of the faith of Jesus Christ.



Now God is Just and the Justifier of him that believeth in Jesus ! And why is that ?

This is why ! Because God had reckoned them one [In Union] and because of that He imputed their sins and guilt of law breaking, upon Him.

Now if we did not have a Union with Him when He was upon the Tree, God could not have been Just or pleased to lay upon Him the iniquity of us all Isa 53:6.For that would have been like punishing the innocent for the crimes of the guilty in our jurisprudence.

It would be like knowingly sending a innocent man to the gallows for murders of one who is yet guilty of the crimes. Yet because God viewed Christ and His Body [ the guilty church] as one as in the One Head and it's members, now then is the Justice of God manifest.

God is Just, even though Christ Himself personally never did any wrong, but yet those united to Him in a Legal bond a binding union did do the wrong. When Christ died for His People, He had already became bone and bone and flesh of flesh

Eph 5:29-30

29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

So, He is Legally the Saviour of His Body Eph 5:23

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the Saviour of the body.

Now if Christ died for us without there being a Union with us, there is no Justice for us in His Death, and no need for Faith in His Blood ! Neither could our guilt and condemnation against God's Law be removed before His law and Justice !

 

[Messenger]

Now God is Just and the Justifier of him that believeth in Jesus ! And why is that ? This is why ! Because God had reckoned them one [In Union] and because of that He imputed their sins and guilt of law breaking, upon Him. Now if we did not have a Union with Him when He was upon the Tree, God could not have been Just or pleased to lay upon Him the iniquity of us all Isa 53:6.For that would have been like punishing the innocent for the crimes of the guilty in our jurisprudence. It would be like knowingly sending a innocent man to the gallows for murders of one who is yet guilty of the crimes. Yet because God viewed Christ and His Body [ the guilty church] as one as in the One Head and it's members, now then is the Justice of God manifest. God is Just, even though Christ Himself personally never did any wrong, but yet those united to Him in a Legal bond a binding union did do the wrong. When Christ died for His People, He had already became bone and bone and flesh of flesh Eph 5:29-30 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. So, He is Legally the Saviour of His Body Eph 5:23 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the Saviour of the body. Now if Christ died for us without there being a Union with us, there is no Justice for us in His Death, and no need for Faith in His Blood ! Neither could our guilt and condemnation against God's Law be removed before His law and Justice !

Amen. It is no wonder why the Chosen Seed (Psalm 22:30) are so despised of by Satan and his children (Genesis 3:15). It is because of Who they belong to; Who they are one with! (1 Corinthians 12:12).

 

[savedbygrace57]

Justified in the name of the Lord !

1 Cor 6:11

11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

That those Jesus died for were Justified by His Death alone, meaning their Justification before God, its taught in this very verse, in that by His Blood alone they were Justified Rom 5:9 in the name of the Lord !

When something is done in the name of the Lord, He receives all the Glory and Credit for doing it. This Justification had nothing to do with what the one being Justified did. No, not their believing or repenting, but it had only to do with what Jesus Christ accomplished on their behalf, in His Name, His Person and Work,and therefore His Resurrection does testify that all for whom He bare their sins, that in Him, in His Name [Person] they are declared Justified Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and[He] was raised again for our justification

Hence Justified in the Name of the Lord !104

 

[Jozinky]

Justified in the name of the Lord !

1 Cor 6:11

11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

That those Jesus died for were Justified by His Death alone, meaning their Justification before God, its taught in this very verse, in that by His Blood alone they were Justified Rom 5:9 in the name of the Lord !

When something is done in the name of the Lord, He receives all the Glory and Credit for doing it. This Justification had nothing to do with what the one being Justified did. No, not their believing or repenting, but it had only to do with what Jesus Christ accomplished on their behalf, in His Name, His Person and Work,and therefore His Resurrection does testify that all for whom He bare their sins, that in Him, in His Name [Person] they are declared Justified Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and[He] was raised again for our justification

Hence Justified in the Name of the Lord !104

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Except for one small detail Mr sbg... you wrenched that verse completely out of its context and came up with a false doctrine.
Remember... a text taken out of context is a pretext.

Context;
9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

You will notice folks in verse 9 it says point blank that the ~~unrighteous~~ shall not inherit the kingdom of God... which means they were unjustified because that's precisely what the Greek word means.. To be unrighteous is to be unjustified. So Paul here is talking about people who are not justified and he says these people will not inherit the KOG which means they are lost souls.
Now~~~~! we go to vs 11 ... in context... and what does it say about the saved people Paul was addressing? Does it say they were justified either at the cross or in eternity? No! It says....

And such ~~~were~~~ some of you:

These Christians who Paul was writing to ~~~were~~~ once walking around in an ~~Unjustified~~ condition and that did not change until they came to saving faith in the Gospel... as Scripture plainly teaches that Justification is by Faith... and apart from faith ~~No~~ one is justified... elect or not.
Further by your false doctrine Mr SBG none of the Old Testament Saints were Justified since Messiah had not yet died so they all died in an unjustified state and by that they perished! But the Scriptures says plainly & clearly that Abraham --was-- justified by faith anf that well before the death of Messiah. And it says that that occured by reason of the fact that Abraham --did-- something; and what did he do? He "Believed God" and it was at that point that Abe was justified and not before. Go read it in Romans 4

Your false doctrine make the Bible into spaghetti.

James Kirby

 

[savedbygrace57]

joz

Except for one small detail Mr sbg... you wrenched that verse completely out
of its context and came up with a false doctrine.

No I did not, the Truth was found in that context and I highlighted it.

 

[Deborah13]

Now how can this be ? Because they are reconciled or Justified by Christ's Blood [ Rom 5:9] and or His Death [Rom 5:10] and this before they believe !

Reconciled is not the same as Justified.

Justified =

1. to render righteous or such he ought to be
2. to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

Reconciled =

to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value

1. to reconcile (those who are at variance)
2. return to favour with, be reconciled to one
3. to receive one into favour

So what happens if we replacing the word Justified in the scripture below and thus corrupting the scripture.
2 Corinthians 5 KJV
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, justifying the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of justification.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye justified to God.

Big difference, so now "ye are to justify yourself to God"? Good luck with anyone being able to justify themselves to God. Yike!

2 Corinthians 5 KJV
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciled the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

Who did God reconcile Himself to "the world" ALL of mankind (kosmos). This does not say "He reconciled Himself to the Elect". How? Through the blood of Jesus, the whole of mankind has access to the saving grace of God. Romans 5:2 How? through faith, believing in His Son. Romans 5:1
What does the Holy Spirit convict the world of, what sin? not believing in Jesus. John 16:9

 

[savedbygrace57]

Deborah

Reconciled is not the same as Justified.

What scripture says that ? One is Justified if they are received into God's Favor, no sins are charged to them. One cannot possibly be received into God's Favor without being Justified.

Now, Reconciliation consist in the Non Imputation of sin 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Non imputation of sin is God Justifying Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

To be reconciled to God means no sins are by God charged against you, that is Justification and being declared Righteous.

 

[Jozinky]

joz

Except for one small detail Mr sbg... you wrenched that verse completely out
of its context and came up with a false doctrine.

No I did not, the Truth was found in that context and I highlighted it.

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You don't even understand what "context" means! You cite -one verse- to the exclusion of the rest of the passage while the rest of the passage clearly refutres your false doctrine just as I explained... and you have no answer other than to say "no I did not". Well I'm sorry friend but Yes you did. Paul clearly testifies in verse 9, which you cleaverly leave out, that the elect are unjustified until, according to verse 11, they are washed, sanctified ~~and justified~~~ which justification occurs when the elect come to faith in the Gospel and not before according to the ~context~ of the rest of the Bible. Like I said,, a text taken out of context is a pretext.

Cheers;
Joz...

 

[Jozinky]

Deborah

Reconciled is not the same as Justified.

What scripture says that ? One is Justified if they are received into God's Favor, no sins are charged to them. One cannot possibly be received into God's Favor without being Justified.

Now, Reconciliation consist in the Non Imputation of sin 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Non imputation of sin is God Justifying Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

To be reconciled to God means no sins are by God charged against you, that is Justification and being declared Righteous.

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Nice try but Deborah is correct. Reconciliation and Justification are two different things. Check out both words in Greek and Hebrew & you'll see.

Jozinky

 

[Deborah13]

What scripture says that ? One is Justified if they are received into God's Favor, no sins are charged to them. One cannot possibly be received into God's Favor without being Justified.

OK, hmm...this verse says and means the same thing whether we use the justify or reconcile.
Romans 4:5
But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, justifying the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of justification.
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciled the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

So if I were a New Agie, I could say, "looky here I am justified (made righteous) by Christ blood." But the truth is I need to reconcile myself to God just as Paul says the disciples are begging me to do when they deliver the Gospel News by their ministry of reconciliation.
So we see that God's justification of the "world" is objective justification.

Author/minister Andrew Murray - 1800s - Dutch Reformed Church
"God has offered a perfect acquittal from all our sin and guilt. Because RECONCILIATION has been made for sin, we can now be RECONCILED to Him. "God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them." Following this word of RECONCILIATION is the invitation, "Be ye reconciled to God." Whoever receives RECONCILIATION for sin, is RECONCILED to God. He knows that all his sins are forgiven."

So this says to me, that God reconciled the WORLD (kosmos = mankind) to Himself, and invites us to be reconciled to Him. And then by faith in believing the Gospel Message about Jesus and His blood shed for us, we are then justified by faith.

Saved by grace, through faith (faith in the Son and His redemptive work on the cross.)

 

[Deborah13]

"If I am to preach the faith in Christ to a man who is regenerated, then the man, being regenerated, is saved already, and it is an unnecessary and ridiculous thing for me to preach Christ to him, and bid him to believe in order to be saved when he is saved already, being regenerate. Am I only to preach faith to those who have it? Absurd, indeed! Is not this waiting till the man is cured and then bringing him the medicine? This is preaching Christ to the righteous and not to sinners." [Sermon entitled The Warrant of Faith]. Charles Spurgeon

 

[savedbygrace57]

deb

OK, hmm...this verse says and means the same thing whether we use the justify
or reconcile.
Romans 4:5
But to
the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly,
his faith is credited as righteousness,

That verse says nothing about Justification and Reconciliation not being the same thing.

 

[savedbygrace57]

joz

You don't even understand what "context" means!

That's your opinion, nevertheless, the Truth I highlighted out of that context remains Truth.

 

[savedbygrace57]

deb

If I am to preach the faith in Christ to a man
who is regenerated, then the man, being regenerated, is saved
already,

That Right. That's why its the Gospel of their Salvation they believe in. Eph 1:13

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

If they were not already saved by Christ, it would not be the Gospel of their salvation they heard.

 

[Deborah13]

Am I only to preach faith to those who have it? Absurd, indeed! Is not this waiting till the man is cured and then bringing him the medicine? This is preaching Christ to the righteous and not to sinners."

That Right. That's why its the Gospel of their Salvation they believe in. Eph 1:13

So funny to ignore the rest of what Spurgeon, he says, that that idea is "Absurd, indeed!"

So how does one witness salvation the Gospel Good News to the unsaved without Lying to them?

How do you say to an unsaved person "Jesus died for your sins" when you don't know that Jesus died for their sins? That would be a lie.