More statements from you brother that are opposed to the truth of the scriptures.
I'm waiting for some evidence that backs up what you claim. What statements are in opposition to Scripture? Please be specific, and please back up your evidence.
You seem to read a verse or two, and out of context build a doctrine on these things.
How come there hasn't been ANY intereaction with what I've posted, including the verses I've cited? That would be how one refutes error. All I've seen are vague unsubstantiated statements and opinions.
You would know this if you kept reading Paul's letter, and didn't stop at the verse you "liked'!
Please continue and explain what you mean by this. I have no idea.
Of course we have been reconciled to God through faith in Jesus Christ.
Of course. But why has everyone ignored the fact that at the moment of belief, we become children of God? And receive ETERNAL life?
However, the condition is the same - 21 And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled 22 in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight-- 23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel…
It isn't v.21 that connects to the "if" clause of v.23. It's v.22 that connects to v.23. The ONLY way for God to present believers holy and blameless is IF we continue in the faith. That should be obvious.
1 We then, as workers together with Him also plead with you not to receive the grace of God in vain.
So, what do you think this means? And what verse is this? I always look at context before I decide what any single verse means.
17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. 18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ's behalf, be reconciled to God. 21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
if you keep reading you will see…
But, before we keep reading, it should be clear to all that believers ARE in Christ, and therefore ARE a new creation.
So, please provide some solid evidence from Scripture that a new creation could end up in the lake of fire.
14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? 15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people." 17 Therefore "Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you." 18 "I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the Lord Almighty." 2 Corinthians 6:14-18
So, what's the point here? I still do not see any comment about the possibility of loss of salvation. So where are you getting that notion from?
Again we see the condition -
Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean,
The promise based on condition -
And I will receive you." "I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the Lord Almighty."
You are only seeing a one sided, incomplete doctrine of salvation.
No. In fact, you have tried to conflate salvation with spiritual growth, and the issue of reward and discipline.
You don't seem to be able to understand the basic principles of faith.
The opposite is true, which I've explained, but no one has even tried to refute. The basic principle of faith is that at the moment of faith, God gives the free gift of eternal life, we become a new creation through regeneration, and we become the children of God. Period.
Faith without obedience is dead.
Why try to equate "dead" with false? Just look at the context of James 2. To be "dead" here is to be unproductive. Which speaks to those believers are aren't demonstrating their faith before men. Those without fruit are unproductive. That is his point.
If you don't repent and believe, you won't be saved.
True.
If you don't continue to believe, you won't be saved.
False. Where is there any verse that actually SAYS this?
If you turn away from Christ and choose to serve another god, then you will wind up with your other god in the end.
False. Paul wrote this:
"If we believe not, yet he abidethfaithful: he cannot deny himself." 2 Tim 2:13
Does God the Holy Spirit indwell the believer when he believes? Yes. Can God deny Himself? No. Since the Holy Spirit indwells the one who has believed, God cannot deny that believer, who is one of His children, even if disobedient.
However, the mightly hand of God surely will discipline such a child. Seems you keep missing that.
