Losing Salvation after getting saved?

[JLB]

I sure wish you were joking, because this is pitiful. Jesus many times described the unbelieving Jews as the children of the devil. And here you are claiming that God throws His children into the lake of fire. Amazing!


Scripture sure doesn't agree with you.

At least we all know your view of God the Father is one of casting off those He has regenerated and given eternal life to.

btw, please show me any verse that speaks of angels being regenerated.

Your hiding behind angels is not helpful to your pov. They were created. And Scripture never ever says that any of them were given NEW BIRTH, or Regenerated. Big difference.

You're trying to compare apples with oranges.

Angels are created as sons of God, as Adam was.

The way we become sons of God is by being born again.

The result is the same, a son of God.


JLB

 

[JLB]

No, God will never let you go. Romans 8:31-39, Hebrews 13:5, Deuteronomy 31:8 Don't believe the devil's lies JLB.

Please post the scripture, not just your opinion with a scripture tag.

 

[DRS81]

Please post the scripture, not just your opinion with a scripture tag.

Slowly walk away from the devil and come back to God.

Rom 8:31-39 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36As it is written:
“For your sake we face death all day long;

we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”j

37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,k neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Heb 13:5 Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you."

Deut 31:8 The LORD himself goes before you and will be with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged."

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Are you familiar with the meaning of "sanctified". Apparently not very much. It means to be "set apart", specifically for a holy use.

Yes, I know that. I made that point myself in this thread. When we have faith in Christ and are saved we are set apart for a holy purpose. Faith not only justifies. Faith also sanctifies. At least it should. If you don't allow it to, you will be among the damned who are cast into the lake of fire.

It is not regeneration, nor adoption. Those are separate things that God does when a person believes. Yes, they all occur at the same time, but they are different.

Sanctification happens because you have faith in Christ. Sanctified people are people who have faith in Christ:

"...the Gentiles, to whom I am sending you, 18 to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.'" (Acts 26:17-18 NASB)

The text says these Hebrews where sanctified by the blood of the covenant. That means they have faith in Christ, otherwise they would not be sanctified. But as it is, the text plainly says they believe and are saved anyway.

See? You keep ignoring my question. How can God the Father cast His own children to whom He gave eternal LIFE into the lake of fire, also called the second DEATH? Please explain that.

I explained it to you. What do you not understand? Sanctified people (people who have faith in Christ, see above) who trample on the forgiveness of God they have received in the blood of Christ no longer have that sacrifice for sin to keep them from the fate of the damned.

No, the Bible doesn't say what you are claiming.

I quoted exactly where it says that. Exactly.

Maybe you've missed it, but v.26 and v.18 are saying the same thing:
v.18 - 18Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin. NASB

"offering" and "sacrifice" speak of the same thing. Iow, since Christ has died for all sin (His sacrifice on our behalf), there is no more sacrifice under the Law for sin. Christ has paid the debt in full.

It's impossible that vs. 26 is just a reiteration of vs. 18. If it is then vs. 26 is saying that if we go on willfully sinning then there is no more need for a sacrifice for sin, but at the same time it says I can expect the fiery judgment of the damned for that willful sin, which does need a sacrifice to avoid. What kind of sense does that make? But it makes perfect sense to simply read it for what it plainly says:

"26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES." (Hebrews 10:26-27 NASB emphasis in original)

If you keep on willfully sinning after you get saved (the text says they are saved) then you don't have a sacrifice for sin left to protect you and you will be damned with the enemies of God.

Let's start being honest. Let's just read the words for what they plainly say and stop itching the ears of fallen flesh that wants willful, Christ rejecting sin forgiven no matter what. Grace is not the freedom to willfully sin with impunity.

Remember that one of the issues in Hebrews was that the Jewish believers were beginning to return to the Law and sacrifice because of being persecuted.

Right, these believing, sanctified, even fruitful Hebrews are being warned not to deny Christ and suffer the fate of the damned for doing so. For some reason OSAS allows blood Jews in the day of the Apostles to be the only believers who are damned for turning away from Christ and back to the law. It's a curious bug in the OSAS program.

 

[DRS81]

Jethro Bodine A born again christian cannot commit the unpardonable sin.

They've already been forgiven at the cross when they accepted Jesus as Lord.

Heb 10:26-29 is talking about apostate religious drones, not born again christians.

 

[JLB]

Yes, I know that. I made that point myself in this thread. When we have faith in Christ and are saved we are set apart for a holy purpose. Faith not only justifies. Faith also sanctifies. At least it should. If you don't allow it to, you will be among the damned who are cast into the lake of fire.



Sanctification happens because you have faith in Christ. Sanctified people are people who have faith in Christ:

"...the Gentiles, to whom I am sending you, 18 to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.'" (Acts 26:17-18 NASB)

The text says these Hebrews where sanctified by the blood of the covenant. That means they have faith in Christ, otherwise they would not be sanctified. But as it is, the text plainly says they believe and are saved anyway.



I explained it to you. What do you not understand? Sanctified people (people who have faith in Christ, see above) who trample on the forgiveness of God they have received in the blood of Christ no longer have that sacrifice for sin to keep them from the fate of the damned.



I quoted exactly where it says that. Exactly.


It's impossible that vs. 26 is just a reiteration of vs. 18. If it is then vs. 26 is saying that if we go on willfully sinning then there is no more need for a sacrifice for sin, but at the same time it says I can expect the fiery judgment of the damned for that willful sin, which does need a sacrifice to avoid. What kind of sense does that make? But it makes perfect sense to simply read it for what it plainly says:

"26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES." (Hebrews 10:26-27 NASB emphasis in original)

If you keep on willfully sinning after you get saved (the text says they are saved) then you don't have a sacrifice for sin left to protect you and you will be damned with the enemies of God.

Let's start being honest. Let's just read the words for what they plainly say and stop itching the ears of fallen flesh that wants willful, Christ rejecting sin forgiven no matter what. Grace is not the freedom to willfully sin with impunity.



Right, these believing, sanctified, even fruitful Hebrews are being warned not to deny Christ and suffer the fate of the damned for doing so. For some reason OSAS allows blood Jews in the day of the Apostles to be the only believers who are damned for turning away from Christ and back to the law. It's a curious bug in the OSAS program.

Brother,

You have thoroughly expounded upon the truth of sanctification.

I find it horrifying that those who would use grace as a license to sin and live a carnal lifestyle would go to such great lengths to twist what the scriptures so clearly teach, to their own destruction.

They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work. Titus 1:16

It's no wonder that those servants of His, will stand there and argue with Him on the Day of judgement, just before they are cast into the lake of fire prepared for the devil.

"But when did we see you sick and in prison"...?

"But when did we see you hungry?...?


41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.' 44 Then they also will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?' 45Then He will answer them, saying, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.' 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." Matthew 25:41-46


...but the righteous into eternal life.

Isn't it ironic, that the very same people who believe and teach OSAS, are also the very same ones who say you don't have to do anything at all, because salvation is a free gift, so there is no work at all for us to do.

I guess that is why those who will be on His left hand will be so surprised , because the believed the lie of OSAS.

SCARY!


JLB

 

[JLB]

Jethro Bodine A born again christian cannot commit the unpardonable sin.

They've already been forgiven at the cross when they accepted Jesus as Lord.

Heb 10:26-29 is talking about apostate religious drones, not born again christians.

Hebrews 10:26-29 is referring to sanctified born again Christians.


JLB

 

[Butch5]

Thanks for your extensive time/effort here. This type of interaction is where I find value in these debates. Hopefully you will too. There's two broad points/topics I'd like to address quickly, however, prior to spending more time if it's desired. We'll see where it leads (what's your rebuttal so to speak to these observations):

1. WRT "Paul didn't tell them to feardiscipline, he told them to fearfalling short of entering that rest, which you just admitted is the kingdom." there are several Technically inaccurate conclusions you make:
A. Hebrews cannot be proven to be Paul's letter.
B. Hebrews literally says "Therefore let us fear __?__...
1) So already you missed that the author includes himself in this verse. It says let us fear __?__, not them. No big deal, I suppose, on either the author or who is included in the fear, but I like to stay strictly to the text as much as possible (see related comment about 'divorce' below).
2) The verse is there for a reason. Yes, it's about The Kingdom. But it follows on the heals of the previous rest's example. These two rest's cannot be entirely separated just because the rest in 4:1 is The Kingdom. Ch 3, is 'there for' chapter 4's point. You didn't respond to the points I clarified from 3:14. Do you now see my point about being "partners with Christ"? Which by the way, the author included himself in that verse too. So they relate.

I don’t think the author is important as long as it is agreed that Hebrews is Scripture. And, yes, the author included himself which again I don’t think that changes anything.

The rest is the same, it’s the Promised Land. He says, “any of you should seem to come short of it.” It’s also translated, found coming short of it. However, the verse clears up any question because Paul says those to whom it was first preached didn’t enter in, so, they fell short of it.

3) and most importantly it DOES NOT say; "fearfalling short of entering that rest". It quite literally simply and merely says "fear __?__, while there remains a promise..." You assume the author means fear falling short of entering that rest". Whereas I see a huge conflict with that assumption. Namely, in the same breath he says "while there remains a promise of entering His rest (kingdom rest)".

I’ve not assumed it, the word “lest” tells us what is to be feared, it connects the fear and what is to be feared.

How can one be fearful of falling short of the kingdom while there remains a Great Promise of it? It's illogical. Who, by the way, The Great Promise, is a partner with us while we wait (from 3:14a)

It’s perfectly logical, one can have a promise but not meet the conditions of that promise and thus not receive that promise. I could promise you $10 if you came to my house, however, if you didn’t come to my house you have fallen short of the promise and do not receive it.


Regarding the “partner” which is Christ, there is something you need to think about in Heb 3:14. The second clause is conditional, but what’s interesting about this that the “Ginomai” translated “made” in the first clause is in the perfect tense. What that means is that, “made”, a past completed action whose results continue to the present (time of writing) is contingent on a future event. Logically this seems impossible. How can a past completed event be contingent on a future action? Yet, that is what the grammar indicates. In order to reconcile this it seems to me (and I’m checking further) that what Paul is saying, is that if we continue steadfast to the end, then God counts all of our Christian life as from the beginning. However, if we don’t continue steadfast to the end, none of it counts. This would seem to agree with what Ezekiel said about the righteous and wicked man.


LXE Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous man turns away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, according to all the transgressions which the transgressor has wrought, none of his righteousness which he has wrought shall be at all remembered: in his trespass wherein he has trespassed, and in his sins wherein he has sinned, in them shall he die.

4) and what's the purpose for this fear anyway? Hebrews tells us the purpose for this fear:
So"that none of youappearto fall short of it." Appearing to fall short is technically different than actually falling short. Appearances are not always accurate, however. The Pharisees 'appeared' to be acting right. Take Moses and Aaron falling in the wilderness, for example, too. It might 'appear' that they fell short of The Kingdom because they fell short of the promised land, but did they really? No.

Here I would suggest a more in depth look at the Greek word. I can have other meanings and is translated differently in some translations

And just quickly for why I'd say 'discipline' fills in the blank as to what should be feared. The previous example of the discipline that Israel experienced on their way to and even after entering their promised land is what should be feared. Our promise is Christ, our new found partner, however.

-But discipline’s not in view in the passage.

2. WRT 'divorce' again technically:
A. God put them away and issued them a "certificate of divorce" yet still pleaded with them to return to Him (still does, and it's prophesied to occur so I think it will) and said He was still married to them.
B. technically verse 8 clarifies they "were not afraid" and committed adultery, yet their Father/Master/Husband still loved them anyway.
C. TechnicallyJer 3starts at verse 1 with how a man would never take back a divorced wife who marries another, then goes on to demonstrate how God's love for Israel is superior to that of a mere man's love. Yes, He allows them the freedom to choose another and even the paperwork to make it legal for them to do it. Yet still considers Himself married to them after the certificate was given and their "loyal Master" or as the KJV says "O backsliding children, saith the Lord; for I am married unto you" (v. 11, 14). Did you read those verses? What do they demonstrate to you?

The point is that God did divorce Israel, yes He does cal them to return and yes He does say He’s married to them. However, He’s married to them as a people, those who don’t repent are outside of the covenant. So, as a people He is married to them yes as individuals who have placed themselves outside of the covenant He is not.

This is exactly why I think believers being partners with The Lord fromHeb 3:14needs to be taken into account.

I think that passage needs to be looked at more deeply.

And it also supports what I've been saying all along. The more you look into these verses or phrases that people are pointing to for anti -OSAS proof, the more assured of OSAS you come away. But you must look and consider both sides.

I disagree. I used to be OSAS, but the evidence has since convinced me.


Also, going back to the rest, to get a better idea of what Paul is getting at it is helpful to read Numbers chapters 13-14. Notice God asks, ‘how long will these people reject me?’ god considered their actions as rejecting Him. In turn He also rejected them.

34 `According to the number of the days in which you spied out the land, forty days, for each day you shall bear your guilt one year, namely forty years, and you shall know My rejection. (Num 14:34 NKJ)

This is the background to the short quotes that Paul gives when he quotes David.

6 Oh come, let us worship and bow down; Let us kneel before the LORD our Maker.

7 For He is our God, And we are the people of His pasture, And the sheep of His hand. Today, if you will hear His voice:

8 "Do not harden your hearts, as in the rebellion1, As in the day of trial2 in the wilderness,

9 When your fathers tested Me; They tried Me, though they saw My work.

10 For forty years I was grieved with that generation, And said,`It is a people who go astray in their hearts, And they do not know My ways.'

11 So I swore in My wrath,`They shall not enter My rest.'" (Psa 95:6-11 NKJ)

 

[DRS81]

JLB and Jethro Bodine

1 Deuteronomy 31:6, Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the LORD your God goes with you; "He will never leave you nor forsake you."

2 Deuteronomy 31:8, The LORD himself goes before you and will be with you; He will never leave you nor forsake you. "Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged."

3 Joshua 1:5, No one will be able to stand up against you all the days of your life. "As I was with Moses, so I will be with you; I will never leave you nor forsake you."

4 1Kings 8:57, "May the LORD our God be with us as he was with our fathers; may He never leave us nor forsake us."

5 1Chronicles 28:20, David also said to Solomon his son, "Be strong and courageous, and do the work. "Do not be afraid or discouraged, for the LORD God, my God, is with you. He will not fail you or forsake you until all the work for the service of the temple of the LORD is finished."

6 Psalms 37:28, For the LORD loves the just and will not forsake his faithful ones. "They will be protected forever, but the offspring of the wicked will be cut off;"

7 Psalms 94:14 "For the LORD will not reject his people; he will never forsake his inheritance."

8 Isaiah 41:17 "The poor and needy search for water, but there is none; their tongues are parched with thirst. But I the LORD will answer them; I, the God of Israel, will not forsake them."

9 Isaiah 42:16 "I will lead the blind by ways they have not known, along unfamiliar paths I will guide them; I will turn the darkness into light before them and make the rough places smooth. These are the things I will do; I will not forsake them."

10 Hebrews 13:5 Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.”

11. 1 Corinthians 10:13 No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.

Hebrews 10:26-29 is referring to sanctified born again Christians.


JLB

The unforgivable sin is dying without the Holy Spirit in them. The only way to blasphemy the holy spirit is to DIE! without God. The born again christian is sealed unto redemption! Praise Him JLB.

 

[JLB]

Slowly walk away from the devil and come back to God.

Rom 8:31-39 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36As it is written:
“For your sake we face death all day long;

we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”j

37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,k neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Heb 13:5 Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you."

Deut 31:8 The LORD himself goes before you and will be with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged."

God loves us before we were saved.

The fact that God loves does not mean we can not walk away from God.

This scripture has nothing to do with salvation.

God so loved the world...

Is the world saved?

JLB

 

[DRS81]

God loves us before we were saved.

The fact that God loves does not mean we can not walk away from God.

This scripture has nothing to do with salvation.

God so loved the world...

Is the world saved?

JLB

Rom 8:31-39 is not talking about the world. It is talking about his chosen, the elect. Read again.

V33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen?

 

[Butch5]

I'd say the problem of misunderstanding is all yours, not mine.

From the internet:
n. noun

1. Something that assures a particular outcome or condition.
   Lack of interest is a guarantee of failure.
2. A promise or assurance, especially one given in writing, that attests to the quality or durability of a product or service.
3. A pledge that something will be performed in a specified manner.

tr.v.

1. To assume responsibility for the debt, default, or miscarriage of
2. To assume responsibility for the quality or performance of.
   guarantee a product.
3. To undertake to do, accomplish, or ensure (something) for another.
   
   Kinda embarrassing, huh. ;)

Not at all, you just highlighted the wrong definitions. If look at what I said, I said, in the sense of a down payment. Here is the definition that you didn't highlight,

1.To assume responsibility for the debt, default, or miscarriage of

I guess you ignored 1 Cor 15.

No, I don't. I also don't take it as the only verse on the subject either.

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption.
43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power.
44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (1Co 15:42-44 NKJ)

Notice that parallel? Also notice that "spiritual" is an adjective, not a noun. Paul is not saying the body is spirit. An adjective modifies a noun, it give some quality of a noun. Book is a noun, red is an adjective. Red book, red, the adjective tells a quality of the noun book, the book is red. Spiritual is an adjective describing the body. The Body has qualities of the spirit. That doesn't mean the body is a spirit.

Nope. You just think they do.

Come on man, just because something doesn't agree with you doesn't mean it's not there.

 

[JLB]

JLB and Jethro Bodine

1 Deuteronomy 31:6, Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the LORD your God goes with you; "He will never leave you nor forsake you."

2 Deuteronomy 31:8, The LORD himself goes before you and will be with you; He will never leave you nor forsake you. "Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged."

3 Joshua 1:5, No one will be able to stand up against you all the days of your life. "As I was with Moses, so I will be with you; I will never leave you nor forsake you."

4 1Kings 8:57, "May the LORD our God be with us as he was with our fathers; may He never leave us nor forsake us."

5 1Chronicles 28:20, David also said to Solomon his son, "Be strong and courageous, and do the work. "Do not be afraid or discouraged, for the LORD God, my God, is with you. He will not fail you or forsake you until all the work for the service of the temple of the LORD is finished."

6 Psalms 37:28, For the LORD loves the just and will not forsake his faithful ones. "They will be protected forever, but the offspring of the wicked will be cut off;"

7 Psalms 94:14 "For the LORD will not reject his people; he will never forsake his inheritance."

8 Isaiah 41:17 "The poor and needy search for water, but there is none; their tongues are parched with thirst. But I the LORD will answer them; I, the God of Israel, will not forsake them."

9 Isaiah 42:16 "I will lead the blind by ways they have not known, along unfamiliar paths I will guide them; I will turn the darkness into light before them and make the rough places smooth. These are the things I will do; I will not forsake them."

10 Hebrews 13:5 Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.”

11. 1 Corinthians 10:13 No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.



The unforgivable sin is dying without the Holy Spirit in them. The only way to blasphemy the holy spirit is to DIE! without God. The born again christian is sealed unto redemption! Praise Him JLB.

Brother,

How many times does this point need to be made.

It's not a question that God will leave you!

It's about a person who LEAVES GOD!

A person who TURNS AWAY from God.

A person who FALLS AWAY from God!

A person who exercises their free will to turn to another god.


JLB

 

[Eugene]

I find it horrifying that those who would use grace as a license to sin and live a carnal lifestyle would go to such great lengths to twist what the scriptures so clearly teach, to their own destruction

Yeah, that makes me wonder why you remain so determined to sin on purpose.
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

You too can submit to the Holy Spirit for your sanctification.
1 Thes 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I love you brother, and our Father continues to love you also in spite of you.

 

[JLB]

Rom 8:31-39 is not talking about the world. It is talking about his chosen, the elect. Read again.

V33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen?

Brother,

The point of the scripture you quoted is Love.

Nothing will separate us from the love of God.

Because God loves us does not mean were are garaunteed to be saved, as God loves the world.


JLB

 

[DRS81]

A person who exercises their free will to turn to another god.

And if a born again christian does this, God will never leave them.
He will convict them and draw them back to the one and only true God.
The holy spirit will never forsake them.
You seem to have a problem with the Holy Spirit's jobs and duties.
The holy spirit helps us and convicts us, and he will never leave our body.

 

[JLB]

Yeah, that makes me wonder why you remain so determined to sin on purpose.
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

You too can submit to the Holy Spirit for your sanctification.
1 Thes 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I love you brother, and our Father continues to love you also in spite of you.

What in the world are you talking about?

What sin do you accuse me of?

JLB

 

[DRS81]

Brother,

The point of the scripture you quoted is Love.

Nothing will separate us from the love of God.

Because God loves us does not mean were are garaunteed to be saved, as God loves the world.


JLB

Again, it's not talking about the world. It's talking about God's chosen specifically. Read v33 again.

V33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen?

 

[JLB]

And if a born again christian does this, God will never leave them.
He will convict them and draw them back to the one and only true God.
The holy spirit will never forsake them.
You seem to have a problem with the Holy Spirit's jobs and duties.
The holy spirit helps us and convicts us, and he will never leave our body.

All opinion.

 

[JLB]

Again, it's not talking about the world. It's talking about God's chosen specifically. Read v33 again.

V33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen?

Does God love the World? Yes

Does the fact that God loves the world mean all the world is saved? No

The fact that God loves US does not mean we are garaunteed to be saved.

JLB