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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
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https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
Read through the following study by Tenchi for more on this topic
https://christianforums.net/threads/without-the-holy-spirit-we-can-do-nothing.109419/
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
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Losing Salvation after getting saved?
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Yeah, nice try. John NEVER mentioned any particular sin. And the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit was said in a different dispensation, and only applied to those who were present when Jesus was on earth, and who ascribed His power to Satan. Please read the whole context for that, and it is "plainly clear". No one today can commit blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
Why ASSUME he means the lake of fire? What evidence do you have, beyond your own opinion and assumptions?
This was the question:
Question: for those of you who believe you can loose your salvation, who do you trust to ensure you don't loose it?
Please answer. I'm real curious as to your answer.
Question: for those of you who believe you can loose your salvation, who do you trust to ensure you don't loose it?
You ignored the question completely, again. The question was not about who you are trusting in for salvation, but who are you trusting in "to ensure you don't loose it (your salvation)".
Please answer. I'm real curious as to your answer.
For those who are standing before Jesus Christ on Judgement Day there is only ONE meaning that inherit the kingdom means.
Inheriting the kingdom means one thing - everlasting life with God.
Not inheriting the kingdom means one thing - everlasting punishment in hell apart from God.
Depart from Me you cursed, into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
This statement is a far cry from, you have lost some "rewards"!
Our reward is Him for all of eternity. HIM!
He is our exceeding great reward!
It's Him or hell.
JLB
Each scenario dictates which meaning is meant.
In one sense. In another sense, per context, it means to be a co-heir with Christ (Rom 8:17b, 2 Tim 2:12a). Please comment on these verses and what they mean to you.
In one sense. But in the other sense, it means to lose out on being a co-heir with Christ, and being denied the privilege and reward of reigning with Christ.
Yes, for the devil, his angels, and those who have never believed, which we call "unbelievers".
Not sure why you're trying to denigrate the incredible reward of being a co-heir with Christ and reigning with Him.
2The problem with this view is that it makes getting to heaven a reward, which means the ones who do get there earned it, and deserve it. Is that your view?
Let's consider some Scripture to see if we can better understand all that is involved here.
In Gal 3:14, Paul notes that believers have received the promise of the Spirit by faith. And Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would be with us forever, in Jn 14:16.
In v.17 Jesus said the Spirit will be "in you". That's the promise of the indwelling of the Spirit. Which will be forever.
This means the loss of salvation view has those who have believed and are indwelt by the Spirit spending eternity with the Holy Spirit in them. How does that make sense?
In Gal 4:6, Paul wrote that those who have believed are sons of God (also v.26), and v.7 says "because you are a son, God had made you an heir". This refers to Rom 8:17a, not b.
In Gal 6:15 Paul makes note of the fact that "what counts is a new creation" (NIV). So those who have believed have been changed, and are called a "new creation", just as 2 Cor 5:17 says that as well.
Another way to say it is that those who have believed have been born again, regenerated, been given new life.
The new life is eternal life, which cannot exist in the second death, which has not been explained by the non-OSASers.
And again, Eph 4:30 says that those who have believed have been sealed with the Holy Spirit for the day of redemption.
Since there are no verses that speak of breaking this seal, it is a promise that all who have believed will be present for the day of redemption, certainly not the second death. Such a view is untenable.
In Gal 3:14, Paul notes that believers have received the promise of the Spirit by faith. And Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would be with us forever, in Jn 14:16.
In v.17 Jesus said the Spirit will be "in you". That's the promise of the indwelling of the Spirit. Which will be forever.
This means the loss of salvation view has those who have believed and are indwelt by the Spirit spending eternity with the Holy Spirit in them. How does that make sense?
In Gal 4:6, Paul wrote that those who have believed are sons of God (also v.26), and v.7 says "because you are a son, God had made you an heir". This refers to Rom 8:17a, not b.
In Gal 6:15 Paul makes note of the fact that "what counts is a new creation" (NIV). So those who have believed have been changed, and are called a "new creation", just as 2 Cor 5:17 says that as well.
Another way to say it is that those who have believed have been born again, regenerated, been given new life.
The new life is eternal life, which cannot exist in the second death, which has not been explained by the non-OSASers.
And again, Eph 4:30 says that those who have believed have been sealed with the Holy Spirit for the day of redemption.
Since there are no verses that speak of breaking this seal, it is a promise that all who have believed will be present for the day of redemption, certainly not the second death. Such a view is untenable.
Correct. Eph 1:13-14 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
1. message of truth
2. gospel of your salvation
3. believed
4. marked
5. seal
6. promised Holy Spirit
7. deposit
8. guaranteeing
9. inheritance
10. redemption
11. possession
Notice it says, when you believed, you were marked. We are only believing once. Rom 10:9.
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Excellent point!! Thanks for the reminder. I just love the clarity of Scripture!!Correct. Eph 1:13-14 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
1. message of truth
2. gospel of your salvation
3. believed
4. marked
5. seal
6. promised Holy Spirit
7. deposit
8. guaranteeing
9. inheritance
10. redemption
11. possession
Notice it says, when you believed, you were marked. We are only believing once. Rom 10:9.
Each scenario dictates which meaning is meant.
In one sense. In another sense, per context, it means to be a co-heir with Christ (Rom 8:17b, 2 Tim 2:12a). Please comment on these verses and what they mean to you.
In one sense. But in the other sense, it means to lose out on being a co-heir with Christ, and being denied the privilege and reward of reigning with Christ.
Yes, for the devil, his angels, and those who have never believed, which we call "unbelievers".
Not sure why you're trying to denigrate the incredible reward of being a co-heir with Christ and reigning with Him.
The problem with this view is that it makes getting to heaven a reward, which means the ones who do get there earned it, and deserve it. Is that your view?
What dictates the meaning of the term inherit the kingdom is Jesus and His use of the phrase on the very Day this phrase will have its fulfillment.
.Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
This phrase is spoken to them that have been granted access to God's Kingdom on the day of Judgement.
Every time we see this phrase in scripture, it means just exactly what Jesus said to those on Judgement Day.
Everyone who does not inherit the kingdom will here these words...
Depart from Me you cursed into everlasting fire prepared for the devil...
JLB
That's what it basically comes down too, they lose rewards at the Bema seat.. not salvation.
I agree with that.There is somewhere in Scripture that says some will barely enter heaven.Just like a man escaping a fire only with his shirt.
1 Corinthians 3:15
That's an excellent scripture, wow! also sent too FreeGrace
1 Corinthians 3:15 If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.
We don't convict ourselves of righteousness, the Holy Spirit does that for us by FIRE!! Fire of the Holy Spirit and his Word.
Sometimes Catholics use that verse to prove their point on purgatory.But they are wrong.It doesn't have anything to do with purgatory.That's an excellent scripture, wow! also sent too FreeGrace
1 Corinthians 3:15 If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.
We don't convict ourselves of righteousness, the Holy Spirit does that for us by FIRE!! Fire of the Holy Spirit and his Word.
You're right. The fire is within us, teaching us, guiding us, helping us. The kingdom of God is within you.
What do you think that fire is?
Each scenario dictates which meaning is meant.
In one sense. In another sense, per context, it means to be a co-heir with Christ (Rom 8:17b, 2 Tim 2:12a). Please comment on these verses and what they mean to you.
In one sense. But in the other sense, it means to lose out on being a co-heir with Christ, and being denied the privilege and reward of reigning with Christ.
Yes, for the devil, his angels, and those who have never believed, which we call "unbelievers".
Not sure why you're trying to denigrate the incredible reward of being a co-heir with Christ and reigning with Him.
The problem with this view is that it makes getting to heaven a reward, which means the ones who do get there earned it, and deserve it. Is that your view?
Good stuff FreeGrace.
The rewards and temporal blessings that God has for the believer have basically been put on the scale of "A piece of candy." " Thats ALLLLL a believer loses is rewards?!"
Those rewards and Temporal blessings God has for the believer are much bigger than we can imagine and to denigrate those things to ," thats all we will lose is rewards?!" Is a shame.
1 Cor 2:9 NASB~~but just as it is written, "THINGS WHICH EYE HAS NOT SEEN AND EAR HAS NOT HEARD, AND which HAVE NOT ENTERED THE HEART OF MAN, ALL THAT GOD HAS PREPARED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM."......This doesn't say,"...All that God has prepared for those that believe on Him or who are Christians." It is for those that LOVE him.
Rom 8:28~~NASB~~And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.
This does not say ,"All things work together for Good to those who are 'believers' or 'christians'." It is to those who LOVE Him.
The rewards and blessings are unimaginable to us, and to casually say,"This is Just about rewards?!" Is indicative of a believer that does not LOVE Him.