Lukewarm believers and faith

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None of these words, other than the error of calling it faith alone, is what is being argued against.

The argument is against being justified by any faith alone in Christ, that is also apart from any works we do or don't do.

No, that is the gospel. I've gone through this with you numerous times. If being justified required works, then that isn't good news at all and no different from any other religion.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. (ESV)

The teaching that we are not justified by any works we do is as clear as the teaching that Jesus was crucified, died, and rose again.

First is the example of having any faith in the Lord, while evilly having respect of persons in the family of God, due to social status and wealth.

I don't know what you're saying here.

The second example is of having any faith toward God and man, when not doing any good at hand, not loving our neighbors as ourselves.

In both cases, the person's faith in Christ is rejected by God, as unrighteous faith toward Himself, by doing unrighteousness, and secondly as being dead faith toward God and man, by doing no good at hand.

James 1-2 is judging our faith in the Lord by works, as being righteous and alive, or unrighteous and dead.

Which is speaking of obedience that is evidence of already having been justified; those works absolutely do not justify.

If any man trusts in his faith alone

Do you realize this doesn't make sense and no one is arguing this?

And any Christ that the decieved believer is trusting in, to justify us apart from the works we do, is another Christ of another gospel, not our Lord Jesus Christ according to the Scripture.

Incorrect. Adding works to justification is a false gospel and Paul says anyone teaching that is to be considered accursed. His words, not mine.

Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. (ESV)

And none of the doctrinal speeches for being justified by any faith in Christ, while doing no good, can change that simple truth. The true Christ of God has no respect for, or respect any faith in Him, if we are doing evil and not doing good.

Okay, but I don't see what this has to do with anything in this discussion.

Some supplemental false doctrines for having faith alone in Christ, apart from works include: There is now no more condemnation for doing unrighteousness,

This is blatantly false and a misrepresentation of what justification by faith alone means.

by grace God cannot see our sinning,

This is blatantly false and a misrepresentation of what justification by faith alone means.

by spiritual resurrection alone we are now and forever reigning with Christ,

What, exactly, do you mean by this?

our soul is justified not our works,

Of course. Please provide just one verse that says our works are justified.

what we do is not who we are,

This is blatantly false and a misrepresentation of what justification by faith alone means.

repentance is of the mind alone not of works,

This is blatantly false and a misrepresentation of what justification by faith alone means.

having eternal security of the soul apart from the works we do,

This is blatantly false and a misrepresentation of what justification by faith alone means.

complete justification at once with incomplete gradual sanctification, etc...

We are justified at once, at the moment we are imputed the righteousness of Christ. That happens when we repent and put our trust in Christ and his work. I have also stated before that the NT clearly speaks of sanctification as something that has happened and something that continues to happen. It is spoken of in both past and present tense.

I've already given the Scripture enough time, that says God's washing, sanctification, and justification are in the same way and at the same time: All complete at once.

That's fine. I've given Scripture many times that shows our sanctification is also ongoing.

 

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Scripture does not contradict Scripture. The only thing clear is contradicting Scripture by declaring no man is justified by works.

James{2:21} Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

{2:25} Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent [them] out another way?

James{2:22}Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

I have shown you many times, even in THIS THREAD that you simply do not understand the meanings of "justification" and so have Paul contradicting James with the same passage. But, here it is again:

Rom 4:1 What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh?
Rom 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.”
Rom 4:4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due.
Rom 4:5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,
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Rom 4:23 But the words “it was counted to him” were not written for his sake alone,
Rom 4:24 but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord,
Rom 4:25 who was delivered up for our trespasses and raised for our justification. (ESV)

First, Paul says that “if Abraham was justified by works,” which obviously implies that he wasn’t justified by works, he has nothing to “boast about . . . before God.” Why? Because “to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due.” Second, Paul quotes Gen 15:6 which states, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” That is, Abraham’s righteousness was counted to him on the basis of faith, not on a work or works. Third, Paul states that it is the one who believes, “who does not work,” that “his faith is counted as righteousness.” Which goes right back to Abraham, showing that he didn’t do any work; it was by faith alone.

Fourth, notice the use of “justifies” (v.5) and “justification” (v. 25)—in relation to Jesus being “delivered up for our trespasses and raised for our justification”—which clearly indicate Paul is talking about being declared righteous. He ties that in with the reason as to why “it was counted to him” was written for our sake (v. 24). Paul is saying that it is on the basis of faith alone in God that we are declared righteous, just as Abraham was. Notice also that Christ’s work on the cross and his resurrection are the basis for our justification; it is his righteousness imputed to us. He did the work, so it is not by any works we do. And that goes back to verses 2-5.

Throughout this passage, Paul’s point is that Abraham was not justified (declared righteous) by any works, but by believing in God, which is how we are also justified. If there is even one work, then it is not a gift, but what is owed us.

Not only is that the point Paul makes in Rom 4, that is the point he makes in Eph 2, where he also mentions the purpose of good works:

Eph 2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,
Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
Eph 2:6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
Eph 2:7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. (ESV)

So, I fully agree that Scripture does not contradict Scripture, but your incorrect understanding of justification makes these two passages contradict.

Works are only righteous by being justified with God. There are no righteous works that are not justified with God.


Only unrighteous works are unjustified with God.

Again, please provide one verse that says works are justified, or unjustified.

Your continual, purposeful misrepresentation of others' positions is a significant problem. I don't think you're even trying to understand what others are saying, because most everyone else has told you do not even understand what justification by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone means, yet you continually repeat your misunderstandings as though you're speaking truth.

The heart of this discussion is that you will not do actual study and learn what the meanings of "justification" are in Scripture, which leads to 1) teaching a false gospel, 2) make Paul contradict James, and 3) your continual false misrepresentation of what others believe.

 

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The error is adding works to faith, before we can be justified by Christ through His faith. Such as, circumcision, water baptism, communion, eucharist, a good deed, etc...

Adding good and righteous works to our faith in Christ, is necessary to abide in the true Vine, and make our salvation and justification sure, by not falling to temptation and unrighteousness.

Of course, but righteous works do not justify us.

Tit 3:4 But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared,
Tit 3:5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
Tit 3:6 whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
Tit 3:7 so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (ESV)

The righteous faith of Jesus Christ is the gift freely given by grace to any man, that repents from all his own works without Christ.

Where is that given in Scripture? Do you mean "the righteous faith of Jesus" or "the righteousness of Jesus"?

And also so far as God is concerned, who knows the hearts of men and women, when repenting from dead works.


Which of course contradicts itself being at the same time. Neither repentance nor faith toward God is before the other.

Faith must logically come first, because we are dead in our sins and only a work of the Holy Spirit can cause us to want to repent.

The only faith that preceeds repentance from dead works, is the unrepented sinner's own faith and lust to continue sinning, not the faith and righteousness of Jesus Christ.

Please use biblical terms correctly, as the Bible uses them, as it is quite confusing trying to figure out what you're saying. There is no such thing, biblically, as "the unrepentant sinner's own faith."

And, that doctrine of any faith preceeding repentance, always precedes preaching either no repentance, or lukewarm repentance in time. Either of which are only at man's own will and time, not by commandment of God's whole repentance granted unto salvation, justification, righteousness, and holy life in Jesus Christ.

I really don't know what you're saying here.