Miracles, do you believe?

[BradtheImpaler]

There's also a prophetic word by Chris Chandler that says there is going to come an outpouring of miracles: http://www.globaloutpouring.com/RadiantChurch.html
A group of prophets that I meet with went over this and found it to be scripturally in line

Click for pics of "outpouring of miracles" -

http://www.globaloutpouring.com/RFC2000Photos.html

On another page, Chandler's wife says Chris got so full of the Spirit, he "break-danced" when he didn't even know how! :o

(See photo of "spontaneous break-dancing" for proof of miraculous outpouring) :bday:

 

[DivineNames]

There's also a prophetic word by Chris Chandler that says there is going to come an outpouring of miracles: http://www.globaloutpouring.com/RadiantChurch.html
A group of prophets that I meet with went over this and found it to be scripturally in line

Click for pics of "outpouring of miracles" -

http://www.globaloutpouring.com/RFC2000Photos.html

On another page, Chandler's wife says Chris got so full of the Spirit, he "break-danced" when he didn't even know how! :o

(See photo of "spontaneous break-dancing" for proof of miraculous outpouring) :bday:

:D :D :D

 

[BradtheImpaler]

There's also a prophetic word by Chris Chandler that says there is going to come an outpouring of miracles: http://www.globaloutpouring.com/RadiantChurch.html
A group of prophets that I meet with went over this and found it to be scripturally in line

Click for pics of "outpouring of miracles" -

http://www.globaloutpouring.com/RFC2000Photos.html

On another page, Chandler's wife says Chris got so full of the Spirit, he "break-danced" when he didn't even know how! :o

(See photo of "spontaneous break-dancing" for proof of miraculous outpouring) :bday:

:D :D :D

On same site see "Revival Fire Crusade 2000"...

Speaking of the same April, 3 - 8, 2000 meeting - under "Signs, Miracles, and Wonders"...

"People were healed of everything from back pain to severe acid reflux"

How does one know they have been healed of back pain and/or acid reflux during the course if a couple hour revival meeting? The nature of these symptoms is that, they, many times, come and go. If you have back pain and/or heartburn does that mean you experience that discomfort EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY? If I have back pain (in general) and I go to the movies for 2 hours and don't feel it while I'm there does that mean I was HEALED? (perhaps, inadvertently, when Yoda invoked "the force", waving his paw on screen in what seemed to be MY direction?)

Those investigations which have followed up many of these claimed healings have found a very different story, in general, when the claimants were interviewed about their conditions weeks or months AFTERWARD. :

 

[kwag_myers]

Those investigations which have followed up many of these claimed healings have found a very different story, in general, when the claimants were interviewed about their conditions weeks or months AFTERWARD. :

It's been nine months since the pain in my hip stopped and never returned. Does that qualify in the book of BradtheImpaler's list of rules, or are you going to tell me it's all in my head and I should check into the psych ward again?

Here's a funny story. It comes from 2 Kings 2:22-23. Elisha was traveling when some kids started making fun of him. He turned around and spoke a curse, and two bears came out of nowhere and had them brats for lunch. I think it's funny when God punishes those who mock His anointed prophets. Kinda like, "who's laughin' now?".

 

[BradtheImpaler]

Those investigations which have followed up many of these claimed healings have found a very different story, in general, when the claimants were interviewed about their conditions weeks or months AFTERWARD. :

It's been nine months since the pain in my hip stopped and never returned. Does that qualify in the book of BradtheImpaler's list of rules, or are you going to tell me it's all in my head and I should check into the psych ward again?

First, note I said, it was a different story, "in general", regarding these supposed healings. That is, the MAJORITY OF PERSONS who jump up and claim they're healed in an emotional moment in these meetings, or who are pronounced "healed" in this context, are NOT. Usually the case being that they never had a real DIAGNOSED condition or they still have the same condition afterwards. I do not say it never happens that someone is actually healed, but if they are, it is certainly the exception rather than the rule. Therefore, anyone who claims that someone (usually MANY "someones") are healed in a specific meeting, when they are NOT, is a LIAR, not a prophet. (Unless you want to get with the old, "oh, they were healed but they had doubt so the symptoms continued" nonsense, which I hope you are at least above?)

Just a couple days ago my knee went out on me at work. I could hardly walk for hours. When I got home it seemed better but maybe because I was not doing anything physical at that point. Anyway, I know I was not imagining it. So I got an elastic knee brace for the next day and wore it awhile at work but it chaffed so I took it off. Anyway my knee seems fine, yet I could barely walk only 2 days ago. Miracle? I don't think so. Some things like this just happen.

[quote:3aa03]Here's a funny story. It comes from 2 Kings 2:22-23. Elisha was traveling when some kids started making fun of him. He turned around and spoke a curse, and two bears came out of nowhere and had them brats for lunch. I think it's funny when God punishes those who mock His anointed prophets. Kinda like, "who's laughin' now?".

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So you compare Chris Chandler to Elisha? The "miracles" of Chris Chandler to the miracles attributed to the ministry of Elisha in the bible? You still don't get it do you? It's the fact that you assume that Chandler (or yourself?) are "anointed" like the accounts of these bible characters that is making me scoff in the first place. I wouldn't make fun of anyone because of a physical defect or appearence (see "2 Kings.22-23) what's FUNNY is the numerous preachers/prophets/faith healers of today being placed in the same category as Elisha, for instance.

(you really think that children being mutilated because they made fun of Elisha's baldness was funny? Are we getting an insight on your degree of compassion here? Or do you just feel hatred welling up inside when any of what you believe is challenged with good reason? "Threats" are always an indication that the threatener realizes he has no case)

 

[DivineNames]

On another page, Chandler's wife says Chris got so full of the Spirit, he "break-danced" when he didn't even know how! :o

(See photo of "spontaneous break-dancing" for proof of miraculous outpouring) :bday:

kwag_myers, do you think this would technically qualify as a miracle?

 

[kwag_myers]

Anyway my knee seems fine, yet I could barely walk only 2 days ago. Miracle? I don't think so. Some things like this just happen.

Exactly what is it that prevents you from praising the Lord for this? Don't bother answering, I already know that it is the spirit of antichrist. "It just happened" has been the banner slogan of the unbelievers for a long time.

And how does this minor injury compare to my eight years of osteoarthritis (diagnosed by three different orthopedic surgeons). And "It just happened" to be while I was being prayed for that the pain stopped and has never returned. What are the odds? I know that you'll never admit that my healing was a miracle. You can't, the spirit of antichrist won't let you. Your unbelief let it in, and now it controls you.

So you compare Chris Chandler to Elisha?

No, I am comparing God's anointing to Elisha's example. Your making fun of my being a prophet is no different than what those kids did. They had no respect for God's anointed prophet and neither do you.

The "miracles" of Chris Chandler to the miracles attributed to the ministry of Elisha in the bible? You still don't get it do you? It's the fact that you assume that Chandler (or yourself?) are "anointed" like the accounts of these bible characters that is making me scoff in the first place.

Show me where I said that Chandler was anointed. What I said was that this particular word of prophecy was judged by a group whom I've come to respect. Now that I think about it, I compared him to Balaam's donkey.

Show me one Old Testament prophet that didn't have a character flaw. Those guys did some weird stuff, shaving half their beard, marrying hookers, shooting arrows in the sky. I don't see you questioning their credibility.

The fact that you don't believe that God's anointing still exists for us today is just another piece of evidence of your unbelief. You are the one who doesn't get it. And you never will.

(you really think that children being mutilated because they made fun of Elisha's baldness was funny? Are we getting an insight on your degree of compassion here? Or do you just feel hatred welling up inside when any of what you believe is challenged with good reason? "Threats" are always an indication that the threatener realizes he has no case)

I have no compassion for those who despise God's anointing. Did Joshua have compassion on those he conquered? And what about the seven bowls of wrath and the Battle of Armageddon (Revelation 16)? What exactly is the definition of "Lord of host"? Yeah, I rejoice when God puts down His enemies. So what? Show me a scripture that tells me I'm wrong to do so.

Interesting that you would feel threatened by mere words. But why should I threaten you? What do I have to gain? You like to make fun of God's anointing. Why can't I tell what happens to those who have done in the past what you do now?

kwag_myers, do you think this would technically qualify as a miracle?

Technically, no. I didn't look at the photo, but at face value I don't see how this glorifies God. Do you?

How is it that the two of you are under the impression that I'm a big Chris Chandler fan? I'd never heard of him until this prophetic word was brought to my attention. And this prophetic word (and not Chris Chandler) is just one of several things that cause me to suspect that we may be seeing an outpouring of miracles very soon. Is the church ready if it comes? I know at least two people who are not.

 

[DivineNames]

kwag_myers, do you think this would technically qualify as a miracle?

Technically, no. I didn't look at the photo, but at face value I don't see how this glorifies God. Do you?

I was thinking that perhaps the Holy Spirit was inciting people to break dance as a new way to reach people?

 

[DivineNames]

Your making fun of my being a prophet

What? Say that again? :o

 

[kwag_myers]

I was thinking that perhaps the Holy Spirit was inciting people to break dance as a new way to reach people?

Perhaps replace the barking. I hope not. We'll have EMS units standing by at every conference.

Last time I did some break dancing it was unintentional. No, it wasn't the Holy Spirit, it was roller blades. Yeah, that got me a week in the hospital.

You know, Jesus people do some strange stuff when He healed them, wash seven times, etc., or He spit on them. But He never did the same thing twice. This is where some of these people miss it. They think that because God required someone to do something odd, like pew hoppin', they all have to do it.

Your making fun of my being a prophet

What? Say that again? :o

Not you, I was talking to Brad.

 

[spirit1st]

Funny at church ,the other day.A guess speaker came in and ask all that had a miracle healing to stand ,about 4ths of the people stood .One had been dead and was be taken to the morgue.Sge arose and the doctor fell to his knees and accepted the LORD JESUS CHRIST .many others had life and death healing .was great to see this and be a part of it .

 

[DivineNames]

Last time I did some break dancing it was unintentional. No, it wasn't the Holy Spirit, it was roller blades. Yeah, that got me a week in the hospital.

You know, Jesus people do some strange stuff when He healed them, wash seven times, etc., or He spit on them. But He never did the same thing twice. This is where some of these people miss it. They think that because God required someone to do something odd, like pew hoppin', they all have to do it.

We have testimony that he didn't know how to break dance. We have evidence that he did break dance. I can't see why this would have to be only a one-off thing. More than one person has spoken in tongues right?

Your denying this as a miracle... I think it may be the spirit of anti-Christ in you. Its a lack of faith... its made you blind to the work that God does.

 

[kwag_myers]

We have testimony that he didn't know how to break dance. We have evidence that he did break dance. I can't see why this would have to be only a one-off thing. More than one person has spoken in tongues right?

Your denying this as a miracle... I think it may be the spirit of anti-Christ in you. Its a lack of faith... its made you blind to the work that God does.

You don't think that my reason is valid? God gives us miracles to bring glory to His name, right? If this in some way glorifies God, I'm missing it. And I find it interesting that you've used Brad's menthod of discernment to convict me. Try using mine.

 

[spirit1st]

Miracles are not hard for GOD.
But too obey HIm ,is HIS desire.He knows everything you ever thought or will think.HE knows what to ask you too do ,too recieve of HIm .
It was very hard for that guy to get in the water 7 times
Very hard for abraham to be willing to give his boy up .He wanted a son from a great many years .You know about a year ago I broke my ankle .The next day looked worse and ,The pain was very bad .I said?LORD you going to heal my ankle ?HE said you going to get up and walk in faith ?I sadly said yes LORD .As it hurt to just lightly touch the floor.I got up ,it really hurt ,I started trying to walk .The next day ,I was on a roof ,without pain or trouble. Now it still looked bad .Had I believed my eyes .I would not have been healed .But our eyes decieve us .

 

[DivineNames]

You don't think that my reason is valid? God gives us miracles to bring glory to His name, right? If this in some way glorifies God, I'm missing it. And I find it interesting that you've used Brad's menthod of discernment to convict me. Try using mine.

Its for you to pass judgement on what glorifies God is it? Why are you using any kind of "reason" to assess miracles in the first place? I thought you objected to all of that...

I have used your method. Talk nonsense about the spirit of anti-christ and people being blind through unbelief.

 

[kwag_myers]

Its for you to pass judgement on what glorifies God is it? Why are you using any kind of "reason" to assess miracles in the first place? I thought you objected to all of that...

You asked me a question, I answered it. If you didn't want to hear what I had to say on the matter, why did you ask? I suspect it is because you, like Brad, enjoy arguing. If I thought that you really wanted to know what the Bible says, I'd continue this discussion. But you really don't care what the Bible has to say, you just want to fight.

Your conduct proves one thing, people will go to extremes to reject God's Word. If you can't show that it's wrong, you distort it until it is unrecognizable.

I have used your method. Talk nonsense about the spirit of anti-christ and people being blind through unbelief.

The "nonsense about the spirit of anti-christ" is a Biblical fact - 1 John 4:3. People being blind through unbelief - Mark 16:14. You reject God's Word and He will reject you.

Hosea 4:6, "My people are being destroyed because they don't know me. It is all your fault, you priests, for you yourselves refuse to know me. Now I refuse to recognize you as my priests. Since you have forgotten the laws of your God, I will forget to bless your children."

 

[spirit1st]

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Mar 10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

 

[DivineNames]

Your conduct proves one thing, people will go to extremes to reject God's Word. If you can't show that it's wrong, you distort it until it is unrecognizable.

I can't show that God's word is wrong? I will give it a go...

 

[DivineNames]

I can't show that God's word is wrong? I will give it a go...

On the theme of miracles-


"Jesus and his followers crossed the Sea of Galilee and went either to Gerasa (Mark and Luke) or to Gadara (Matthew). They met a demoniac who was uncontrollable... (14- Matthew here as elsewhere multiplies by two) He saw Jesus, ran to him and knelt down. He - or rather the demon in him - cried out, "What have you to do with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I abjure you by God, do not torment me." Jesus asked his name. He replied, "My name is legion; for we are many." There was a herd of swine near by, and the demons begged Jesus to send them into the swine. Jesus did so, "and the herd, numbering about two thousand, rushed down the steep bank into the sea, and were drowned."

"This story is strange on all counts... One of its details renders it unlikely. Gerasa is about thirty miles south-east of the sea of Galilee, and there is no other large body of water around. Matthew shifts the scene to Gadara, six miles from the sea, perhaps thinking this reduces the problem - though a six-mile leap is just as impossible as one of thirty miles."

(Mark 5:7 / Matt. 8:29 / Luke 8:28)


E.P.Sanders, The Historical Figure of Jesus



A couple of apparent contradictions to be explained, the difference in location, and the "two demoniacs" as Matthew has it. We also have an apparent geographical error.

 

[spirit1st]

Mar 5:1 And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.
Luk 8:26 And they arrived at the country of the Gadarenes, which is over against Galilee.
I find no fault with this ?
You know the TRUTH is ?You look for a fault with GODS living WORd .
Best for you ,if you just say,I will not accept thios as TRUTH .Than try to draw others to disbelief .You see .many will not acept the LORD as LORD . MOST have choosen satan and demons ,knowingly or unknowingly .
We must accept the whole bible or none as TRUTH .Most will not .
But I do .I can tell you one thing?I have been dead 2 different times .The 1st time without being BORN OF GOD .The next ,I was BORN OF GOD.
There is nothing in this life more fearful ,that dying in your sins .You will scream and beg .I think until judgement day ?But to die knowing the LORD as FATHER is wonderful .I went right to NEW JERUSALEM in a blink of an eye ,I traveled millions of miles in space. I know I went a long way .because I went where there were no stars or lights .except for the light of the GLORY of GOD .It lit the city up and out past it in space .