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Mother of God

Blake said:
Only if you idolize her. I admire her, as I do Paul, and John, and many other saints and prophets.
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Blake, what about the millions who do idolize Mary? That's more than admiration. Should they not be told the truth? Should not the Orthodox be told that Mary cannot be the intercessor for mankind? That Almighty God cannot have a "mother"? That there was nothing supernatural about Mary's birth or death, no "assumption" of Mary as the Orthodox believe?
 
reba said:
Luk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Should we honor Mary any more or less then the Scriptures do?
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Don't understand why our dear apostles forgot to honour mary in the book of acts and all the epistles right upto revelation. John didn't spake a word about mary even after Jesus commanding him to take care of His mother. maybe guys in this forums have more revelation than those early apostles.
 
tinykitten said:
Incorrect. Jesus was fully God and fully human. As a human he came into the world through Mary.
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But that human jesus had no connection with mother mary. He was conceived of the holy spirit and not of mary's egg or joseph's sperm. Now what's your point. When the apostles didn't gave any importance to mary, neither the book, nor do we. Period!
 
Malachi said:
Blake, what about the millions who do idolize Mary? That's more than admiration. Should they not be told the truth? Should not the Orthodox be told that Mary cannot be the intercessor for mankind? That Almighty God cannot have a "mother"? That there was nothing supernatural about Mary's birth or death, no "assumption" of Mary as the Orthodox believe?
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Well written. It's time to stop adjustment gospel and show the right path even if it's narrow.
 
Respecting Mary will not send anyone to hell. Notice I didn't say worship. The way is straight and narrow undoubtedly, but come on now... we can love the things which God has done in His saints freely.

Gabriel said that she was blessed among women, and full of grace. I don't think of her as just some vessel. I don't think of her as mediatrix or intercessor and it doesn't matter to me how she got to heaven. It's all trivial in my walk with Christ.

I just think that even Abraham counting his lineage like the stars in the sky, Moses seeing the sea split and manna fall from heaven, would have thought if her like the angel did... blessed among women, full of grace. God the Word had come to dwell in the womb of the woman which the Father had chosen and the Spirit overshadowed. It doesn't give her any salvific power, none whatsoever, but she was the way which God decided to usher salvation in, until completed on the cross.

Isn't it strange how people cherish the old rugged cross and not Mary? Through her God chose to take flesh, and through the cross He chose to redeem it.
 
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Blake said:
Respecting Mary will not send anyone to hell. Notice I didn't say worship. The way is straight and narrow undoubtedly, but come on now... we can love the things which God has done in His saints freely.

Gabriel said that she was blessed among women, and full of grace. I don't think of her as just some vessel. I don't think of her as mediatrix or intercessor and it doesn't matter to me how she got to heaven. It's all trivial in my walk with Christ.

I just think that even Abraham counting his lineage like the stars in the sky, Moses seeing the sea split and manna fall from heaven, would have thought if her like the angel did... blessed among women, full of grace. God the Word had come to dwell in the womb of the woman which the Father had chosen and the Spirit overshadowed. It doesn't give her any salvific power, none whatsoever, but she was the way which God decided to usher salvation in, until completed on the cross.

Isn't it strange how people cherish the old rugged cross and not Mary? Through her God chose to take flesh, and through the cross He chose to redeem it.
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Why do you want to respct her? As if you knew her personally. Paul said he doesn't want to know any anything except Christ Jesus Crucified and that includes mary the mother of god and infant Jesus.
 
Well, I will keep posting this.....just because

Mary provided the Son of Man part of Jesus. That is important also!

1 John 4:2-3 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God.

He couldn't have come in flesh if it weren't for her. Otherwise we are talking about a mystical Christ. And dare I say we are talking about the Christ -consciousness that de-values what Jesus did in his flesh.
 
LovethroughDove said:
Well, I will keep posting this.....just because

Mary provided the Son of Man part of Jesus. That is important also!

1 John 4:2-3 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh if from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God.

He couldn't have come in flesh if it weren't for her. Otherwise we are talking about a mystical Christ. And dare I say we are talking about the Christ -consciousness that de-values what Jesus did in his flesh.
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If you don't admire a person it doesn't mean that you are showing some disrespect to any person. There is nothing documented about mary in the bible about her evangelisation or apostasy.
 
LovethroughDove said:
It is not really disrespecting her per say, but not really understanding what Jesus consists of. He is a Son of Man also.
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So what now he is God. My bible never teaches to learn from mother mary or infant Jesus. If that was really necessary then it would have be well written by the Holy Spirit in the bible. Aftter the resurrection of Jesus Christ, I can see Mary's name only one time and she was sitting witth the 120 disciples of Christ and apart from that there is nos mention of Mary.
 
jonahmano said:
But that human jesus had no connection with mother mary. He was conceived of the holy spirit and not of mary's egg or joseph's sperm. Now what's your point. When the apostles didn't gave any importance to mary, neither the book, nor do we. Period!
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I think you should read your Bible. Christians don't revere Mary. But they certainly don't marginalize what scripture says about God in the Bible using her body as a fertile woman to deliver the son of God to the earth.
If as you believe Mary wasn't necessary, Jesus would have been deposited by God on earth as a full grown man.
 
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LovethroughDove said:
It is not really disrespecting her per say, but not really understanding what Jesus consists of. He is a Son of Man also.
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Read the books after acts of the apostles. Nowhere it's written Jesus.........born of Mary...........it's written Jesus..........born of a woman. so here mary is not prominent. If you want to admire personally it's another matter but don't promote mary it's not fitting with the gospel. Paul said I don't want to know anything save Jesus Christ the crucified.
 
LovethroughDove said:
His literal Father is God. Please ponder what his literal DNA (blood) consists of.
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Yeah, He is God, son of God......now what's the confusion with the DNA. The DNA of God. the whole womb is concevied by the Holy Spirit. So what's the point here. Anyways why do you want to explain things which are not in line with the scriptures?
 
jonahmano said:
But that human jesus had no connection with mother mary. He was conceived of the holy spirit and not of mary's egg or joseph's sperm. Now what's your point. When the apostles didn't gave any importance to mary, neither the book, nor do we. Period!
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We have to make a correction here, if what you propose is true, then Jesus is not of the lineage of David, and the prophecy of Gabriel will not be fulfilled,

And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: Luke 1:31, 32

The Holy Spirit fertilized the ovum in Mary's womb, but the wonderful and miraculous thing about conception is at the moment of, the egg starts producing it's own blood, it receives not one drop from the mother, only her half of the chromosomes and nourishment, ...since Salomon's line was cursed, the Messiah had to be from the line of Nathan, which is given to us in Luke's genealogy of Mary, hence Jesus, as the Son of Mary, who has the DNA of David from and through Mary, has the legal right of inheritance to sit on the throne of his grandfather David, something that has not yet taken place as of yet.

As for the veneration of Mary, she deserves as much as the mother of David, or Solomon, or Moses, or Elisha, she was a sinner just like the rest of us and she knew it, what are her last recorded words, ...Whatsoever He says to you, ...do it!
 
Karl said:
We have to make a correction here, if what you propose is true, then Jesus is not of the lineage of David, and the prophecy of Gabriel will not be fulfilled,

And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: Luke 1:31, 32

The Holy Spirit fertilized the ovum in Mary's womb, but the wonderful and miraculous thing about conception is at the moment of, the egg starts producing it's own blood, it receives not one drop from the mother, only her half of the chromosomes and nourishment, ...since Salomon's line was cursed, the Messiah had to be from the line of Nathan, which is given to us in Luke's genealogy of Mary, hence Jesus, as the Son of Mary, who has the DNA of David from and through Mary, has the legal right of inheritance to sit on the throne of his grandfather David, something that has not yet taken place as of yet.

As for the veneration of Mary, she deserves as much as the mother of David, or Solomon, or Moses, or Elisha, she was a sinner just like the rest of us and she knew it, what are her last recorded words, ...Whatsoever He says to you, ...do it!
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I think I don't need to move further on this topic. I'll follow the bible. In the bible after the resurrection of Christ, there hasn't been any special mention of mother mary. I don't even understand what role she played in the book of Acts. I have seen many of the female apostles, bishops in the book of acts but I can't find the name of mary anywhere there. Period!
 
Karl said:
... at the moment of, the egg starts producing it's own blood, it receives not one drop from the mother, only her half of the chromosomes and nourishment,
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Really?

I did not know that, and have no idea how I would confirm this.
 
jonahmano said:
So what now he is God. My bible never teaches to learn from mother mary or infant Jesus. If that was really necessary then it would have be well written by the Holy Spirit in the bible. Aftter the resurrection of Jesus Christ, I can see Mary's name only one time and she was sitting witth the 120 disciples of Christ and apart from that there is nos mention of Mary.
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In Luke 1:46-55; we have Mary's song of praise.
It is beautiful, worthy of any Hebrew poetry, and similar with Hannah's prayer in 1 Samuel 2.
When you read this hymn of praise, you can't help but feel the warmth, the love, the beauty that is inside this well chosen young women.
Through this prayer, we can see the love this women has for God, and how easy it is for that love to overflow to us.
 
Pizza said:
Really?

I did not know that, and have no idea how I would confirm this.
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It's from a book called,

The Chemistry of the Blood," by Dehoon, I ordered mine form Amazon, it's quite an eye opener, he's a medical doctor and explains what the blood does in our bodies and how that correlates spiritually, ...definitely a good read.
 
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