Murder

[glorydaz]

First I'll address Rev. 12...Satan didn't literally spew water and kill people. This is undoubtedly speaking of Herod's attempts to kill the Christ child. It's a normal thing in scripture, that the raging tumults of the nations should be compared to waters.

No one in the OT ever accepted or rejected Jesus Christ. They are going to the second death because they made that wicked one their father. The father of lies, and author of death.

Now, I'll address this little tidbit of misinformation. Read it and weep.
Doesn't sound like the second death to me. ;)
The promises to Abraham were through Christ.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

[quote="Matthew 8:11":232wf86l]And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

Abraham looked forward to the cross...a "friend of God", justified by faith.
[quote="John 8:56-58":232wf86l] Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

And Moses...notice "Christ" and "reward"?

By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter; Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.

Oops, looks like David did, indeed, know Chirst.

Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

David foresaw the Lord...always before his face.

For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

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LOL



David by revelation knew of the Lord that was to be the messiah. Israel believed this, until the day that he came and then they didn't beleive.



Those under the law , on the way to the promise land, God took their names out of the book of life, and these were children of Israel.



Then there were nations which were not of Israel, and who were not a part of the law. Neither did they know him . Nor did they believe in him. Yet, they are saved, unless they have sinned a sin unto death !

Your theory is > [/quote:232wf86l]
Yes, I'm the one with the loose screw. :biglaugh

You deny the scripture I've given and prefer to live by your own set of rules.
Not much I can do with someone like that.


I'm not sure how many Christians think Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...much less Moses, Elijah etc. have been taken from the book of life, but I'd hazard a guess they are few and far between. Look hard you just may see them among the 24 elders in Revelation.

I think maybe it's time to shake the dust after this last little theory of yours...I see no hope if you actually believe what you're claiming.

 

[jasoncran]

jesus comes from the line of a unrepentant sinner? odd? Moses and isacc and Jacob and those under the law listed in the Hebrews 11 men of faith were sent to hell? :crazy :o

 

[Mysteryman]

Quote glorydaz: "First I'll address Rev. 12...Satan didn't literally spew water and kill people. This is undoubtedly speaking of Herod's attempts to kill the Christ child. It's a normal thing in scripture, that the raging tumults of the nations should be compared to waters."

Hi glorydaz

This is just absurd ! Pure speculation on your part. And this is the way in which people butcher the Word of God.

The Word of God is either true or it is butchered. Jesus said that the devil was a murderer from the beginning and you have turn the devil into just a deceiver. You now make the deceiver , which is the devil, just a pawn , instead of what he truly was. You claim that the devil didn't truly murder anyone, when the Word says the exact opposite.

In Genesis God said for this man Adam, who was both male and female, to "replenish the earth". In order for this usage of words to be true. There had to be a form of humans that walked this earth before the man Adam.

The earth was created with life upon this earth. And this life was here for many, many years. And there was human form beings that walked the earth during the time of Genesis 1:1.

Man would only plenish the earth, not replenish it if Adam was the very first human being.

Then in Genesis 1:2 the earth was flooded with water. Everything here on earth died, and the earth was void of life. Including these human forms . The flooding of the earth and killing of these human forms was murder !

The reason that the serpent went after the woman, was because of what it states here in Rev. 12:15. - "woman".

We know that God kept secrets from the devil. We know this, becasue the Word tells us that if the adversary had known, he would not have crucified the Lord of glory. These secrets of God are the reasons that the devil attempts to stop God. He thinks that he has figured out God and his plan. But God keeps tricking him into believing something, that allows for something else. The serpent (the devil) flooded the earth and killed everything upon and in the earth. This made him a murderer ! Also notice that the Word (God) blames the devil for the crucifixion of Jesus. "He would not have crucified the Lord of glory"

The curcifixion of our Lord was because of the murderer > The devil ! We all know that Jesus was innocent. His manipulation brought about the murder of the Lord Jesus Christ. A murderer was let go, and Jesus took his place. The cry went out -- crucify him, crucify him, crucify him. Those who cried out were possessed with devil spirits. They were also of that wicked one, as their father was the devil.

The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death (murder).

Reconsider your stance .

 

[jasoncran]

adam was the first man. if he wasnt then what happened those earlier, ever think that the days werent in order. francisdales and rick pointed this out to me.

look at when adam and eve were created then their a re hash later. odd.

why judge men and not tell us? and had to recreate us. surely that would be a thing to know about.
the flood is mentioned by jesus and peter in the nt! yet nothing about the serpent seed thing.

 

[westtexas]

adam was the first man. if he wasnt then what happened those earlier, ever think that the days werent in order. francisdales and rick pointed this out to me.

I don't want to get y'all off topic. Where is this thread? I typically agree with most of Rick and Joe's views. If I understand you I don't think I agree with this one at all.
Thanks, Westtexas totopic

 

[jasoncran]

adam was the first man. if he wasnt then what happened those earlier, ever think that the days werent in order. francisdales and rick pointed this out to me.

I don't want to get y'all off topic. Where is this thread? I typically agree with most of Rick and Joe's views. If I understand you I don't think I agree with this one at all.
Thanks, Westtexas totopic

what that adam wasnt the first man? or the statement i made concerning the the order of the days.

since mysteryman has jumped around into what the definition of murder and said how its unforgivable and that the men can be predestined unto salvation and known what they choose to do.He has concluded that all men who have murdered cant be saved and according to 1 john no murders has eternal life in him. this is why it has gone out on some rabbit trails. :crazy

 

[westtexas]

what that adam wasnt the first man? or the statement i made concerning the the order of the days.

It's the statement about the order of the days, I'm not sure where you are going with it.
Westtexas

 

[jasoncran]

i may be wrong but doesnt state on the third day that adam was created then it also repeats on the fourth day.

 

[glorydaz]

Quote glorydaz: "First I'll address Rev. 12...Satan didn't literally spew water and kill people. This is undoubtedly speaking of Herod's attempts to kill the Christ child. It's a normal thing in scripture, that the raging tumults of the nations should be compared to waters."

Hi glorydaz

This is just absurd ! Pure speculation on your part. And this is the way in which people butcher the Word of God.

The Word of God is either true or it is butchered. Jesus said that the devil was a murderer from the beginning and you have turn the devil into just a deceiver. You now make the deceiver , which is the devil, just a pawn , instead of what he truly was. You claim that the devil didn't truly murder anyone, when the Word says the exact opposite.

In Genesis God said for this man Adam, who was both male and female, to "replenish the earth". In order for this usage of words to be true. There had to be a form of humans that walked this earth before the man Adam.

The earth was created with life upon this earth. And this life was here for many, many years. And there was human form beings that walked the earth during the time of Genesis 1:1.

Man would only plenish the earth, not replenish it if Adam was the very first human being.

Then in Genesis 1:2 the earth was flooded with water. Everything here on earth died, and the earth was void of life. Including these human forms . The flooding of the earth and killing of these human forms was murder !

The reason that the serpent went after the woman, was because of what it states here in Rev. 12:15. - "woman".

We know that God kept secrets from the devil. We know this, becasue the Word tells us that if the adversary had known, he would not have crucified the Lord of glory. These secrets of God are the reasons that the devil attempts to stop God. He thinks that he has figured out God and his plan. But God keeps tricking him into believing something, that allows for something else. The serpent (the devil) flooded the earth and killed everything upon and in the earth. This made him a murderer ! Also notice that the Word (God) blames the devil for the crucifixion of Jesus. "He would not have crucified the Lord of glory"

The curcifixion of our Lord was because of the murderer > The devil ! We all know that Jesus was innocent. His manipulation brought about the murder of the Lord Jesus Christ. A murderer was let go, and Jesus took his place. The cry went out -- crucify him, crucify him, crucify him. Those who cried out were possessed with devil spirits. They were also of that wicked one, as their father was the devil.

The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death (murder).

Reconsider your stance .

No, I'll not reconsider my stance. I will reconsider whether I'll even bother to read your posts any more. You preach and teach nothing but error...from beginning to end.

 

[Rick W]

adam was the first man. if he wasnt then what happened those earlier, ever think that the days werent in order. francisdales and rick pointed this out to me.

I don't want to get y'all off topic. Where is this thread? I typically agree with most of Rick and Joe's views. If I understand you I don't think I agree with this one at all.
Thanks, Westtexas totopic

I'll start a new thread about it.

 

[WordSwordsman]

In Genesis God said for this man Adam, who was both male and female, to "replenish the earth". In order for this usage of words to be true. There had to be a form of humans that walked this earth before the man Adam.

There is no Bible verse saying Adam was of both sexes. It does say in Genesis 1:28 "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." in the same context as animals were created with male & female for the purpose of reproduction. There is no scripture convincing readers of some previous race of man before Adam and Eve were created.

The earth was created with life upon this earth. And this life was here for many, many years. And there was human form beings that walked the earth during the time of Genesis 1:1.

The Bible says otherwise. Genesis 1:[1] "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. [2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

It was not created initially "with life". No humans could have survived prior to verse 9, else treading water until the third day. There is no record of the Devil flooding Earth on the first day. The planet "was, without form, void, a slick ball covered with water, and with no sun to warm or light it. Believing the Devil had such power as to flood the planet would also require believing he could also remove the sun. Satan has never been described as having such power. God alone can do such things. He chose to make Earth that way with nothing on it but water.

Man would only plenish the earth, not replenish it if Adam was the very first human being.

Then in Genesis 1:2 the earth was flooded with water. Everything here on earth died, and the earth was void of life. Including these human forms . The flooding of the earth and killing of these human forms was murder !

I must say your initial error of inventing a pre-Adamite world the Bible does not support has led you to an even greater error. Without proof people existed before Adam there is no evidence of people being drowned in Gen 1. That means no murder is indicated. I wonder what you call God's act in Gen 7, flooding the Earth, drowning a world of humans except 8. Perhaps if the Devil could do it you say it's murder, but when God does it we call it judgment? Discard the notion Satan had such a power, or implication that God's flood was murder.

The serpent (the devil) flooded the earth and killed everything upon and in the earth. This made him a murderer ! Also notice that the Word (God) blames the devil for the crucifixion of Jesus. "He would not have crucified the Lord of glory"

Brushing aside the obvious error already settled above, How is it the act of crucifixion by the Romans was an act of murder? It has been my understanding that was a style of criminal execution by the State. Even when the State executes an innocent person we don't make that "murder'. We don't execute executioners who pull the switch on condemned prisoners. Taxpayers might have to make financial amends to the survivors for "wrongful death".

Let's examine how you took "He would not have crucified the Lord of glory" out of context and misquoted.
1 Cor. 2:[5] "That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. [6] Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: [7] But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: [8] Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory."

The ones that would not have allowed crucifixion of Jesus were the "wise" rulers, had they known the consequences. That was the very act God required of Jesus, one with no legal basis among those "wise". Satan didn't kill or murder Jesus. Jesus defeated Satan through His death and resurrection. Did you not know in Acts 2 Peter assigned responsibility for the crucifixion to the first 3,000 Jews who believed and populated the Church on Day 1? Acts 2:23
"Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:"

Jesus was not caught like a hunted criminal and dragged to His death on the cross. He could have moved out of Judea, perhaps into Samaria, and lived a long life ministering from some remote mountain, sending out disciples. Jesus submitted to the Father, made himself available. The Lord submitted to death, not murder, like a little lamb went helplessly onto the altar. Let it not be said God provided a perfect and accepted sacrifice by means of a criminal act of murder!

The cry went out -- crucify him, crucify him, crucify him. Those who cried out were possessed with devil spirits. They were also of that wicked one, as their father was the devil.

If your theory were true then none of those hearing Peter's sermon could possibly have been saved, being murderers. But in fact they believed, repented, and thousands added to the Church that day. Peter didn't tell them they couldn't be saved because they murdered Jesus. He converted them to Christ instead.

I caution that you make too much of sin, You've steadfastly ignored the facts such as Murder and lying being listed together as resulting in eternal death, yet cling only to murder as bad enough, and err again saying hating a brother is not equal to murder, contrary to the Bible. The gospel of Christ is not about condemnation, nor does it focus on sin. It's called GOOD NEWS because Jesus is about redemption through His blood which was shed once, offered once and for all time, past, present and future. Read Peter's sermon there in Acts 2 for a better understanding, then understand about Hebrews 7:27 "Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself."

The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death (murder).

Physical death (we sadly call "natural") is the subject of the Gr word for death "thanatos", meaning death of the body. The context is initiated in 1 Cor 15:22. The issue in the passage has nothing to do with murder. The Gr. for murder is "phonos", nowhere found there. All die, few are murdered, including Adam who died of old age. 1 Cor. 15:22 "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive."

I realize long posts like this are not wise, but I felt it was important to correct the errors line upon line rather than just let it go.

 

[Mysteryman]

In Genesis God said for this man Adam, who was both male and female, to "replenish the earth". In order for this usage of words to be true. There had to be a form of humans that walked this earth before the man Adam.

There is no Bible verse saying Adam was of both sexes. It does say in Genesis 1:28 "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." in the same context as animals were created with male & female for the purpose of reproduction. There is no scripture convincing readers of some previous race of man before Adam and Eve were created.

The earth was created with life upon this earth. And this life was here for many, many years. And there was human form beings that walked the earth during the time of Genesis 1:1.

The Bible says otherwise. Genesis 1:[1] "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. [2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

It was not created initially "with life". No humans could have survived prior to verse 9, else treading water until the third day. There is no record of the Devil flooding Earth on the first day. The planet "was, without form, void, a slick ball covered with water, and with no sun to warm or light it. Believing the Devil had such power as to flood the planet would also require believing he could also remove the sun. Satan has never been described as having such power. God alone can do such things. He chose to make Earth that way with nothing on it but water.

[quote:16ium06e]Man would only plenish the earth, not replenish it if Adam was the very first human being.

Then in Genesis 1:2 the earth was flooded with water. Everything here on earth died, and the earth was void of life. Including these human forms . The flooding of the earth and killing of these human forms was murder !

I must say your initial error of inventing a pre-Adamite world the Bible does not support has led you to an even greater error. Without proof people existed before Adam there is no evidence of people being drowned in Gen 1. That means no murder is indicated. I wonder what you call God's act in Gen 7, flooding the Earth, drowning a world of humans except 8. Perhaps if the Devil could do it you say it's murder, but when God does it we call it judgment? Discard the notion Satan had such a power, or implication that God's flood was murder.

The serpent (the devil) flooded the earth and killed everything upon and in the earth. This made him a murderer ! Also notice that the Word (God) blames the devil for the crucifixion of Jesus. "He would not have crucified the Lord of glory"

Brushing aside the obvious error already settled above, How is it the act of crucifixion by the Romans was an act of murder? It has been my understanding that was a style of criminal execution by the State. Even when the State executes an innocent person we don't make that "murder'. We don't execute executioners who pull the switch on condemned prisoners. Taxpayers might have to make financial amends to the survivors for "wrongful death".

Let's examine how you took "He would not have crucified the Lord of glory" out of context and misquoted.
1 Cor. 2:[5] "That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. [6] Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: [7] But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: [8] Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory."

The ones that would not have allowed crucifixion of Jesus were the "wise" rulers, had they known the consequences. That was the very act God required of Jesus, one with no legal basis among those "wise". Satan didn't kill or murder Jesus. Jesus defeated Satan through His death and resurrection. Did you not know in Acts 2 Peter assigned responsibility for the crucifixion to the first 3,000 Jews who believed and populated the Church on Day 1? Acts 2:23
"Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:"

Jesus was not caught like a hunted criminal and dragged to His death on the cross. He could have moved out of Judea, perhaps into Samaria, and lived a long life ministering from some remote mountain, sending out disciples. Jesus submitted to the Father, made himself available. The Lord submitted to death, not murder, like a little lamb went helplessly onto the altar. Let it not be said God provided a perfect and accepted sacrifice by means of a criminal act of murder!

The cry went out -- crucify him, crucify him, crucify him. Those who cried out were possessed with devil spirits. They were also of that wicked one, as their father was the devil.

If your theory were true then none of those hearing Peter's sermon could possibly have been saved, being murderers. But in fact they believed, repented, and thousands added to the Church that day. Peter didn't tell them they couldn't be saved because they murdered Jesus. He converted them to Christ instead.

I caution that you make too much of sin, You've steadfastly ignored the facts such as Murder and lying being listed together as resulting in eternal death, yet cling only to murder as bad enough, and err again saying hating a brother is not equal to murder, contrary to the Bible. The gospel of Christ is not about condemnation, nor does it focus on sin. It's called GOOD NEWS because Jesus is about redemption through His blood which was shed once, offered once and for all time, past, present and future. Read Peter's sermon there in Acts 2 for a better understanding, then understand about Hebrews 7:27 "Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself."

The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death (murder).

Physical death (we sadly call "natural") is the subject of the Gr word for death "thanatos", meaning death of the body. The context is initiated in 1 Cor 15:22. The issue in the passage has nothing to do with murder. The Gr. for murder is "phonos", nowhere found there. All die, few are murdered, including Adam who died of old age. 1 Cor. 15:22 "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive."

I realize long posts like this are not wise, but I felt it was important to correct the errors line upon line rather than just let it go.[/quote:16ium06e]

Hi W.

I didn't mind reading your long post. But the facts are the facts, and you didn't correct anything that does not need correcting. You assumed way too much within your post, and you used a tremendous amount of private interpretation to come to your coclusions.

No one's death is natural. Because of the sin of Adam, all die. Not a natural death whatsoever ! In fact it is very unnatural. God created and made man to live forever by using a standard by which man was to live. Man chose sin and disobedience which brought about death. The devil was a murderer from the beginning. When Adam died he was murdered by the devil. God's hand of protection was off of Adam because of the sin of Adam. God didn't kill Adam, the devil did.

God caused the flood of Noah's ark because of all the evil in the world. Many died, but the reason so many died, was because of many factors. One being free will, the other being the deception of the devil. Man chose the evil . Their main cause for God bringing on the flood was because the devil lead the sheep, by way of deception, to their slaughter. God flooded the earth, but it was not murder, because of the sin of the world. The devil flooed the earth in Genesis 1:2 because of the righteousness of God. < This was murder. Which is exactly the same as Cain and Able !

The princes of this world are not men of this world ! ! These are devil spirits. Had the princes of this world < -- --- they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. The princes of this world are the devil's workers = devil spirits ! The devil sent them !

When God kills someone, it is always in righteousness. And only God is a God of all life. Only God can bring someone back to life. The devil can't, thus it is murder !

There is a right and a wrong way, of reading the scriptures ! We need to learn the right way !

The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death = Murder !

 

[Mysteryman]

Genesis 1:27 - "So God created --- "man" ---- in his own image, in the image of God created him ; male and female created ---- "he" -- them"

Genesis 2:22 --God took a rib out of the one man Adam, and made woman.

Then the first man said >> WOOOOMMAAAANNN - :o :yes -- :D -- THANK YOU LORD !

 

[WordSwordsman]

I posted scriptural support. All I can do is present what I believe is the truth, which is never contradicted by the scriptures because I will not contradict the scriptures. I will not argue against opinion alone. Let the judges reading... judge. Meanwhile I suggest you need to read my last reply, answer back line for line.

It is a challenge to you. I am eager to see the basis for your theories. Will you use the Bible in context, or promote some extra-biblical belief? We shall see.

 

[LaCrum]

Nice post WordSwordsman, you pointed out some very serious flaws in Mysteryman's argument in a very coherent and respectful manner. Well played!

 

[Mysteryman]

I posted scriptural support. All I can do is present what I believe is the truth, which is never contradicted by the scriptures because I will not contradict the scriptures. I will not argue against opinion alone. Let the judges reading... judge. Meanwhile I suggest you need to read my last reply, answer back line for line.

It is a challenge to you. I am eager to see the basis for your theories. Will you use the Bible in context, or promote some extra-biblical belief? We shall see.

Hi W.

Oh , I believe you posted what you believed. But the question is, what you believe, is it true or flawed ?

I have already shown you that the first man was male and female. Which by the way, I am surprised that you never understood this before ? The revealed mystery is based upon the creation of the first man Adam. (Last Adam)

Contradition of scripture can come about by way of a lack of knowledge. Which is the case here. I am not accusing you of anything in paticular. Lack of knowledge can be a huge issue although.

God is a God of all life, and the god of this world is the god of death. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

I fully explain the difference between God's righteousness and the flood of Noah, and the unrighteous murder of all life here on earth in Genesis 1:2. And you question the Word of God ? Why ? God did kill all those who were evil and this is why God had Noah build an ark. God sends plagues and plagues kill and have killed many people.

When God sent Adam and Eve out from the garden. He set cherubims and a flaming sword which turned every way to keep them from the tree of life. If they ate from the tree of life they would have lived forever. But even here, God didn't kill Adam and Eve. They died, for two reasons. One being that they did not have access to the tree of life. The other was from the promise of God that in that day thou shalt surely die. Which means within a day of the Lord , which is a thousand years, they would die. Death is not natural. Never was and never will be !

The god of this world has the power of death. God just keeps his promies. His promise to Adam was that ---- in the day that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die.

When the god of this world murders, it is an unrigheous killing. When God kills, it is a righteous killing. God's rightgeousness is based upon the future. And only God has the power to put anyone into the second death. The second death is a righteous death. Our first death is an unrighteous death. That is , unless one dies because of unrighteousness here on this earth.

On the way to the promise land , which was for our learning, and example, was the way in which God operates his righteousness. Even making Israel wonder in the wilderness for 40 years until they were all dead expect two , and the children of Israel, which are the one's which actually entered into the promise land. < Even here, God kept his promises. But his promises are conditional ! There are always consequences with God.

The devil being thrown out of heaven was the result of one of the consequences and conditions of God.

Adam being thrown out of the garden, and not being allowed to eat from the tree of life was a consequence based upon a condition.

The second death is a consequence based upon conditions, for both , the devil and his devil spirits, and mankind who commits a sin unto death. Murder being one ! Cain being the first example.

Our first grave is temporal, the second death is eternal. Our first birth is temporal, our rebirth is eternal.

The devil was a murderer from the beginning, just as Jesus Christ said ! And a liar and the father of it !

John 8:44 - "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it "

The Last Adam is a mirror image of the first Adam. Both male and female. The two become one. As Paul said- "I speak concerning Christ and the church" < A great mystery. Ephesians 5:32 - Colossians 1:26.

For in Adam all die, but In Christ shall all be made alive.

 

[LaCrum]

I have already shown you that the first man was male and female. Which by the way, I am surprised that you never understood this before ? The revealed mystery is based upon the creation of the first man Adam. (Last Adam)

I think you are confused of the Hebrew translation. “Adam†is used in Genesis to describe the oneness of the relationship that existed between the first male and female. You’ll notice it’s not until after they are kicked out of the garden that the woman is given the name “Eveâ€. Man and woman no longer have a perfect relationship with one another, but instead are divided in their thoughts and ways. This by no means is to imply that Adam and Eve were originally created with different biological characteristics than we are now.

 

[Mysteryman]

I wanted to post this seperate to show you that it is the devil that has the power of death.

Hebrews 2:14 - "destroy him who had the power of death, that is the devil"

Bless - MM

 

[Mysteryman]

I have already shown you that the first man was male and female. Which by the way, I am surprised that you never understood this before ? The revealed mystery is based upon the creation of the first man Adam. (Last Adam)

I think you are confused of the Hebrew translation. “Adam†is used in Genesis to describe the oneness of the relationship that existed between the first male and female. You’ll notice it’s not until after they are kicked out of the garden that the woman is given the name “Eveâ€. Man and woman no longer have a perfect relationship with one another, but instead are divided in their thoughts and ways. This by no means is to imply that Adam and Eve were originally created with different biological characteristics than we are now.

HI

This theory of yours is not biblical whatsoever ! But if you wish to remain with this type of understanding, you have every right to believe as you wish.

The first man Adam was both male and female in the one man Adam. God made woman from the one man Adam by taking one of his ribs and made he woman. After they come together they become one again. The same with the revealed Mystery, the Last Adam ! Christ the head, and the female side of Christ is the body of Christ. The two have not come together as of yet. They will at the gathering up of the saints. I Thess. 4:13 - 18.

Bless - MM

 

[jasoncran]

even the atheist believe that homo sapien gene pool point a first male and female couple.