Mystery, Babylon the Great, Mother of Harlots

[jasoncran]

that's simple because those arent the jews. but liars, by that thinking should we even work for the united states govt or any or pay taxes? if we render unto ceaser what is caesers then are we not also supporting this beast? hmm you yourself said that the entire govt of the united states is the of the beast, so did i once believe that it was the whore. but not now we are headed that way. but not yet.

uh no i dont agree with the war thing as there are two forces at work here. God is also setting things up. odd that you dont see that he did protect isreal. i brought that up with the six day war to show this that the us military doesnt study that war as there real tactics used just one huge miracle!

why would satan kill his own only to use a miracle to do that.

 

[jasoncran]

any group of persons that isnt for the body of christ by that definition is the enemy!

so we should have helped these nations
haiti
balkan nations
and also others that we have assisted through the years.

 

[Strangelove]

that's simple because those arent the jews. but liars,

Yeah Ok...we can see WHAT they are in the verse. What I'm asking you are WHO are they? Can you see them in the world today? Can you recognise them in scripture? Who was Jesus talking about THEN and who does the term apply to NOW?

by that thinking should we even work for the united states govt or any or pay taxes? if we render unto ceaser what is caesers then are we not also supporting this beast? hmm you yourself said that the entire govt of the united states is the of the beast, so did i once believe that it was the whore. but not now we are headed that way. but not yet.

It's not a government Jason. Its a bunch of psychotic gangsters running protection rackets. Of course we shouldn't work for them. Why would you want to be part of the beast system....enforcing their murderous agenda? It's not Christian.

uh no i dont agree with the war thing as there are two forces at work here. God is also setting things up. odd that you dont see that he did protect isreal. i brought that up with the six day war to show this that the us military doesnt study that war as there real tactics used just one huge miracle!

why would satan kill his own only to use a miracle to do that.

What miracle? The Isrealis had OVERWHELMING air superiority>>>?? No miracle required.

As a military man you know that air is everything.

Why would God perform a miracle for people who are anitchrist anyway? From Joshua we've established that God owes modern Isreal NOTHING.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Why are you so bothered about a nation and people who are antichrist??

1 THESS 2:15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:​

They please not God so why do they please you? If you want to help them you should be giving them the love of the Gospels not defending their soil.

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[jasoncran]

actually no. when we bombed hussiens army on desert storm only handful of tanks were destroyed.

they simply didnt want to fight.

and two the egyptians and syrians did have an airforce somehow a storm blocked them from attacking each time and from aquiring target.

and that verse may not be relavent today, in proper exegesis the first four chapters of revalations may not be used for the future, though some pre-trib guys do this. ie the stages of the church.

according to them we are in the laodicean phase. but theres nothing specific on this as we have done this apostasy before and come back and apostasy.

 

[jasoncran]

again with you and like its only isreal then is it when these nations do the same thing or worse

china, and saudi arabia, and old ussr, and russia, and also lets see here i can add more. we can say this about the west in a much smaller and not as bad scale,(pick any nation in the west)

cuba
egypt
sudan
uae
iran
iraq
morroco(we finance this countries govt)
syria
jordan
lybia
lebanon

 

[Strangelove]

any group of persons that isnt for the body of christ by that definition is the enemy!

According to John yeah.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

 

[Strangelove]

when we bombed hussiens army on desert storm only handful of tanks were destroyed.

they simply didnt want to fight.

I don't doubt it for a second. They didnt stand a chance.

and two the egyptians and syrians did have an airforce somehow a storm blocked them from attacking each time and from aquiring target.

A storm? Documentation please.

and that verse may not be relavent today, in proper exegesis the first four chapters of revalations may not be used for the future, though some pre-trib guys do this. ie the stages of the church.

Which verse?

according to them we are in the laodicean phase. but theres nothing specific on this as we have done this apostasy before and come back and apostasy.

Lol. We have never "come back" from apostacy. It started straight after the cross and got worse and worse and worse until today...and it will get much worse in the near future no doubt....as is prophesized.

Who do you think the Synagogue of Satan were in the Bible and who do you think they are today?

 

[jasoncran]

STRANGELOVE says"

It's not a government Jason. Its a bunch of psychotic gangsters running protection rackets. Of course we shouldn't work for them. Why would you want to be part of the beast system....enforcing their murderous agenda? It's not Christian."

i disagree with this. though some are purchased. are we to be held accountable for the sin our boss at work when we work for him?

ie if we work for say the press journal, and within reason they arent hostile to us, and they support gay rights and have the gays working for them are we accountable to the lord for this.

and are we also held accountable for any business that we buy goods from that is for some anti-christian things, as lets be honest many a business are this way and we gotta eat.

i avoid some but i cant do all

for isntance waste manamgent(whom is the primarily recycling co in my county) is a pro eco company and is for cap and trade and also support gays and hires them.

so i shouldnt use them?

i had to disgress here to address this

and when you see a doc a jew that is from isreal invented that paperless scpript document for pharmacists.
that is what i meant by the term poisioning the well.

 

[jasoncran]

another digression then, if the after the cross(immediately) then how can we trust the very bible we endear after all revalation was written nearly 100 yrs after that!

and also the bible was put together but the very men that were long after the time of christ 300 plus years.

 

[jasoncran]

and heres the story on the miracles of this six day war and its also verifable from the opposing side!

The Six Day War: Recognizing the Miracle - Judaism - Israel National News

i didnt find the jet ones but you get the idea.

 

[jasoncran]

thirdly those tanks we didnt destroy were in position to kill many of ours! if they did hit us we would have token some casualties. we would still win but not without some losses. we only lost a few hundred and many of those to friendly fire.

 

[Strangelove]

Jason>>>

Who do you think the Synagogue of Satan were in the Bible and who do you think they are today?

 

[jasoncran]

i can be the jews but is it? heres the thing are these sanhedrin actually in controll of the govt in jerusalem? i think that the jewish state of isreal is like ours and has seperation of church and state.

what you are saying is this to me to a degree. since the united states is a christian nation and christians( a small group, for this point i will use the westboro baptist church) are hateful and hate jews, those outside their thinking of the christian body. therefore all christians are rude, hateful, vile etc.

that is kinda of what i am seeing. has this group taken over isreali knesset? and i have a friend who is a jew, that married and then divorced an arab isreali that converted to judaism.so i know that the arabs outnumber the jews and are able even if muslim to practice their faith.

on that note that seat of the synagouge is too vague as well lets see what would can fit this paradigm.

the gay rights movement(i'm not calling gays evil here but you can see the spirit in some supporters)
the democratic party
the secular humanist (this really fits the bill the best imho with the un as the beast)
and naturalistic scientists that espouse the no need for god, and are often secular humanists.

 

[Strangelove]

Jason>>> Ok I'll address your last post in a minute but....

Who do you think the Synagogue of Satan were in the Bible?

Be specific. I'm talkin'bout in Jesus' time.

 

[jasoncran]

the hellinstic jews that kept not the law. and lets see here that locations vary here, philadelpha,smyrna(3:9,2:9).
do keep in mind that these chruches are very close and within a sabbaths days journey of each other, if i not mistaken.and one group could have harraseed them all. the bible isnt specific on this only that they call themselves jews and arent

and hows does that relate to know since we dont know who these guys are, they arent name other then synagouge of satan. unless you have some link with factual historical info to provide and not some well its a cover up , cause you see the jews of today are these guys cause they dont act like christian. to wit would make my case as well all who oppose the lord are that way.

 

[jasoncran]

ok then let me ask you was the sanhedrin around when john wrote the book of revalation.

remember the kitos war dispersed those guys and forced them to hide and i think the last meeting of the sanhendrin was in the 80's ad. i may be wrong.

 

[jasoncran]

i was wrong its 350 ce(ad) that was the last time, but did jesus call them the seat of satan then when he was on the earth. possibly, heres the problem with that are we to assume that all jews are satanic. yes they did persecute, no doubt about that. but why then would john, peter, others visit synagougues to worship with the devil?

i find that its odd that they would do that. see acts 3.
and also the other times paul would go to synagouge in worship and then would speak about christ.

 

[Strangelove]

Ok your going for Hellenistic Jews as the Synagogue of Satan in Jesus' time.​

I'm going for the Pharisees centred in Jerusalem. Heres my evidence from the Bible. And this is JUST SOME from the Gospels.​

3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his
baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath
warned you to flee from the wrath to come?​

5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed
the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case
enter into the kingdom of heaven.​

9:34 But the Pharisees said, He casteth out devils through the prince of
the devils.​

12:14 Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how
they might destroy him.​

12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not
cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.​

15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye [Pharisees] also transgress
the commandment of God by your tradition?​

16:6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of
the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.​

16:11 How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you
concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the
Pharisees and of the Sadducees?​

16:12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the
leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the
Sadducees.​

22:15 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might
entangle him in his talk.​

23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut
up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in
yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour
widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayer: therefore ye
shall receive the greater damnation.
23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass
sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make
him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
23:16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear
by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold
of the temple, he is a debtor!​

23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe
of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier
matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to
have done, and not to leave the other undone.​

23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make
clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are
full of extortion and excess.​

23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like
unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward,
but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.​

Now you show me your evidence that points to Hellenistic Jews.​

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[jasoncran]

simple the hellenstic jews didnt follow the law and neither cared for it. and btw if the pharisee are these then how could paul repent, after if one is out that level of hate and knows the truth(the lord condemned them and told them that cant repent as they told him that he cast out demons in the belzebub name)

so that cant be the case, cause paul was a pharisee! if its all pharisees and you say the pharissee are one and the same then when the lord told then that paul was included. keep in mind paul knew the man ananais.

 

[Strangelove]

cause you see the jews of today are these guys cause they dont act like christian. to wit would make my case as well all who oppose the lord are that way.

I'm a racial Jew of today. I'm even a citizen of Isreal. Do I see myself in the Synagogue of Satan??

(**groan**)

Its the Talmudic Rabbinical Zionist Leadership Jason. Same as it was in Jesus' day. The guys that our Lord CONTINUOUSLY rebukes through the entire Gospels. The guys that rejected and murdered their king. All the real Jews followed their Jewish Messiah.

Why do you have such a hard time admitting that they are the bad guys?

All who oppose the Lord are antichrist. I ask you again...Why are you fighting in their corner?

God's promises to the Isrealites are FINISHED. Gone. Done. Kaput. Over. Fulfilled.