Mystery, Babylon the Great, Mother of Harlots

[Shilohsfoal]

Doc.Thank you for your information concerning beheadings.Ive felt for a long time now that the Messianic jews in Israel would be those beheaded in the book of Rev for the witness of Jesus and this just gives my belief more proof.
I should have warned you when this thread first started that you would get much resistence from this group.Ive been there and done that.

 

[Strangelove]

ok then let me ask you was the sanhedrin around when john wrote the book of revalation.

remember the kitos war dispersed those guys and forced them to hide and i think the last meeting of the sanhendrin was in the 80's ad. i may be wrong.

I'm afraid you are wrong. The last meeting was about 3 hours ago.

Your not reading my posts are you Jason. I've already documented how the Sanhedrin came back in effect officially in 2004.

The Sanhedrin / Sadducees / Pharisees / Zionists / Christ-Haters / men who turn from God basically thats all they are the ones who think they are better than God......they are all the same bunch. They were around when John wrote revelation and since the mystery schools in ancient Babylonia.

 

[Thranduil]

Wow! 6 pages of posts in 24 hours.
Jason, in reading a lot of your posts you seem to buy into what you've been taught without questioning whether what you were taught was truth or not; you seem to believe that what you've been taught must be truth or they wouldn't have taught it.

This seems to be the vehicle the beast systems has depended on for a long time. Brainwash people and tell them the "truth" we want them to believe. I see this same problem outside of religion as well as within it. I see it in social acceptance, peer pressure, etc.

I see it in women who wanted their rights for good reason but somehow the pendulum always has to swing into the far right or the far left. A woman mistreated by her husband has a right to say this is wrong, but taking that stance to an extreme that a woman has no need to honor her husband is wrong. The thought that because a woman carries the child in her womb gives her ALL the say so about the child, that it is HER child and HER body, and so SHE has the right to determine whether or not the child should live or die.

These extremes go hand in hand in ALL issues. Education is good until the education is all about falsehood. Evolution being taught for so many generations that the parents raised in its teaching support it in their childrens acceptance of it, doesn't make it truth.

Assuming how WWI started according to what was taught in school doesn't mean that's how it started, it means it's what they wanted you to believe.

Satan being divided against himself? NO, his household is divided against itself and therefore he falls. Thinking Satan wouldn't kill his own followers is folly, he'll do anything to keep the truth from being made known, and if killing his own works, then he'll do it. Satan doesn't care if your good and righteous or evil and murderous, his only concern is keeping people from God, from knowing the truth.

Israel, the Jews, the whatever you want to call them. Their land, temple, whatever physical X marks the spot, you point out, doesn't make them God chosen people.

Jason I think you have a blurred way of seeing things. It's blurred by a little truth and a little falsehood. And BTW I'm not trying to pick on you. I see this in many people, in many areas of study and understanding. Lets take science;
The current fact is truth UNTIL they discover a new fact that nullifies the old fact, and then they have a new truth.
Like this:
The molecule is the smallest thing, until;
the element is the smallest thing, until;
the atom is the smallest thing, until;
the proton, neutron, and electron are the smallest thing, until;
the quark is the smallest thing, until...

Each time, science INSISTED it was the truth, until...

In the same way, the knowledge taught to us as "truth" until it is refuted.

Then there is taking sides for the sake of taking sides. A son buys a Ford because his dad owns on, because his dad did before him.
A person votes democratic because their parents did, or because they are blue collar, and the dems support the "working man", that's a crock. The dems support what ever crap they can get their constituents to buy into so they can serve themselves, and so it goes with repubs, as well.

Cutting through the crap is what the truth is about. Holding on to false teachings for the sake of being comforted by the cozy feeling they offer is no reason to believe them.

Take the pretribulation rapture, those who believe it absolutely will not let go until they are proven wrong, and it will be WELL into the tribulation before they concede.

Galileo said the earth revolves around the sun, the RCC threatened to burn him as a heretic unless he recanted. Even after it was proven beyond doubt, the RCC didn't recant until 1911, puhleez!

The problem is simple and gone on for years, Satan is the author of confusion. The greatest form of confusion is in the debate over whats right and whats wrong and then the kicker, both sides are right and wrong at the same time, now that's confusion.

Here's my truth, and now here's Mr.X's truth, and lets go get Mary Jo and throw in her version of the truth.

Anyone can read these threads and clearly see a bunch of people trying to promote "their" version of the truth. It's this translation, no it's this one! It means this, nope it means that.

You know what? It's all going to happen the way it is planned to happen and there is no man nor fallen angel who will change it from happening the way God intended.

 

[Strangelove]

Doc.Thank you for your information concerning beheadings.Ive felt for a long time now that the Messianic jews in Israel would be those beheaded in the book of Rev for the witness of Jesus and this just gives my belief more proof.

Oh I dont think the beheadings are going to be limited to certain groups in Isreal. The noahide laws are the endgame NWO killing ticket worldwide. They are part of US law since 1991!

All we need now is a completely overt decleration of a one world governement and and the U.N. forces can get busy lobbing melons off across the globe.

Phew...lucky the whole thing only lasts one hour! Although gauging how long 1 hour (when spoken in the Bible) is in reality is anyones guess.

Get ready for your 10 days of full on tribulation whatever happens

I should have warned you when this thread first started that you would get much resistence from this group.Ive been there and done that.

S'ok.....most of the resistance seems to have fled away. Just got my fellow Christian Jew Jasoncran here who's putting up a sterling fight......after that we can all be in one mind in Jesus Christ I hope.

 

[jasoncran]

did i say that i recanted, uh heres the deal riddle me this, why would JOHN and PETER go to the temple to WORSHIP in the BOOKS of ACTS 3:1" Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer being the ninth hour"

why would they go there to pray?

when they know the jews dont worship the lord but the devil?

 

[jasoncran]

lol, a far more endtime nwo person that would disagree is named veteran and he is alot more knowledge on prophecy ot and nt then i am.

his name is veteran, and i havent heard from him since we moved to here.
and shiloh knows who he is.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

renconcile acts 1 with this as all apostles ask the lord when shall the kingdom of isreal be restored? The lord didnt say that isreal wouldnt rise agian just that its not for him to know when these shall be.

The apostles asked when shall he restore the kingdom unto Israel.At that time the Romans controlled the kingdom.Jesus did in fact say when he would restore the kingdoim unto Israel in the gospel.

Mathew 8;11-12
And I say unto you,That many shall come from the east and west,and shall sit down with Abraham,and Isaac and Jacob,in the kingdom of heaven.
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness;there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


In other words.When the people who you claim to be Israel is cast out,then shall the true Israel recieve the kingdom.
More proof the kingdom shall be taken away from that beast and restored unto Israel is found in
Daniel 7;27
And the kingdom and dominion,and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven,shall be given to the people of the sints of the most High,whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,and all dominions shall serve and obey him.


Not that you would believe the kingdom would be taken away from the beast and restored unto Israel for you believe the beast is Israel.

 

[Thranduil]

Oh, and BTW; can I prove the internet is used for the purposes of tracking what we do, think, and say? No I can't.

But isn't it interesting that the ads by Google that get plopped in here for us to read just happen to be what we were investigating OUTSIDE of this forum yesterday?

How is it that an inquiry made by me yesterday OUTSIDE of this forum followed me into this forum to end up in my post. HMMM

 

[Shilohsfoal]

lol, a far more endtime nwo person that would disagree is named veteran and he is alot more knowledge on prophecy ot and nt then i am.

his name is veteran, and i havent heard from him since we moved to here.
and shiloh knows who he is.

I had a problem getting on here when it was moved.
I was banned for some time.Im sure you know about that too.

 

[jasoncran]

yes, but still that doenst explain that, by now if vet wanted to he could contact one of us or simply register under a test name ie like drew aka here drew2.

 

[Strangelove]

lol, a far more endtime nwo person that would disagree is named veteran and he is alot more knowledge on prophecy ot and nt then i am.

his name is veteran, and i havent heard from him since we moved to here.
and shiloh knows who he is.

I know veteran. I met him on ChristianityBoard. He made a thread about how Jerusalem is the Mother of Harlots.

Mystery, Babylon The Great - Christianity Board Christian Forum

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Oh I dont think the beheadings are going to be limited to certain groups in Isreal. The noahide laws are the endgame NWO killing ticket worldwide. They are part of US law since 1991!

All we need now is a completely overt decleration of a one world governement and and the U.N. forces can get busy lobbing melons off across the globe.

Phew...lucky the whole thing only lasts one hour! Although gauging how long 1 hour (when spoken in the Bible) is in reality is anyones guess.

Get ready for your 10 days of full on tribulation whatever happens



S'ok.....most of the resistance seems to have fled away. Just got my fellow Christian Jew Jasoncran here who's putting up a sterling fight......after that we can all be in one mind in Jesus Christ I hope.

This is where we dissagree.I dont believe in a NWO.I believe the prophecies concerning the beast are for his kingdom and not the entire world.In fact I believe that I myself will not be beheaded for the witness of Jesus and I will not rule for 1000 years.I believe those are the Messianic jews inside the nation of Israel who are murderd .

When I read of the waters where the whore sits Isee the demographics of Israel .Not the world.
Its not me who shall be killed.Its you.

 

[TonkaTim]

I'm not really familiar with the OT. Could you tell me. Is Zecheriah talking about restoring the Earthly Jerusalem or the New Jerusalem that comes down from Heaven?

Doc,

The book of Zechariah has some unique metaphors the prophet used. Especially the one in chapter 14 - Feast of Taberbacles. This has confused folks into thinking the sacrificial system is restarted. If the sacrifices themselves start again they become an abomination of desolation. All the rituals of the entire Tabernacle system delcare the coming Christ. Christ is risen! He fulfilled this and made it completely unnecessary. To reinstitutite would be declaring all that Christ did on the Cross of "none effect".

The Feast of Tabernacles represents the same thing the prophet Isaiah said - 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel (God with us). -
So celebrating the risen Christ is celebrating the Feast of Tabernacles and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

The Isaiah is explained again in the Gospel of Matthew in 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

The Gospel of John makes it even more clear in 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Look closely at the phrase "dwelt among us" John uses a specific and unique word here - eskēnōsen. It means tabernacled.

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance - 4637 - eskenosen
dwell.
From skenos; to tent or encamp, i.e. (figuratively) to occupy (as a mansion) or (specially), to reside (as God did in the Tabernacle of old, a symbol of protection and communion) -- dwell.
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance - 4637 - skenos
habitation, tabernacle.
Apparently akin to skeuos and skia; a tent or cloth hut (literally or figuratively) -- habitation, tabernacle.

John is making a clear and specific reference here. Which is in agreement with the prophets Zechariah,Isaiah and the other gospel writers listed. The gospel writers where intimately familar with the prophets and were making the metaphors clear in regards to Christ.

The Gospel of Lukes takes it even further and presents a mystery in the first 3 chapters that alludes to Christ's birth around the Feast of Tabernacles.
(If yall would like I could take the time to explain Luke's mystery, it is reconfirmed by the symbolism in John as well)


note: in Young's Literal Translation Bible the word tabernacle is actuall used -John1:14 And the Word became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of an only begotten of a father, full of grace and truth.

Hope this helps.

 

[jasoncran]

Doc,

The book of Zechariah has some unique metaphors the prophet used. Especially the one in chapter 14 - Feast of Taberbacles. This has confused folks into thinking the sacrificial system is restarted. If the sacrifices themselves start again they become an abomination of desolation. All the rituals of the entire Tabernacle system delcare the coming Christ. Christ is risen! He fulfilled this and made it completely unnecessary. To reinstitutite would be declaring all that Christ did on the Cross of "none effect".

The Feast of Tabernacles represents the same thing the prophet Isaiah said - 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel (God with us). -
So celebrating the risen Christ is celebrating the Feast of Tabernacles and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

The Isaiah is explained again in the Gospel of Matthew in 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

The Gospel of John makes it even more clear in 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Look closely at the phrase "dwelt among us" John uses a specific and unique word here - eskēnōsen. It means tabernacled.

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance - 4637 - eskenosen
dwell.
From skenos; to tent or encamp, i.e. (figuratively) to occupy (as a mansion) or (specially), to reside (as God did in the Tabernacle of old, a symbol of protection and communion) -- dwell.
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance - 4637 - skenos
habitation, tabernacle.
Apparently akin to skeuos and skia; a tent or cloth hut (literally or figuratively) -- habitation, tabernacle.

John is making a clear and specific reference here. Which is in agreement with the prophets Zechariah,Isaiah and the other gospel writers listed. The gospel writers where intimately familar with the prophets and were making the metaphors clear in regards to Christ.

The Gospel of Lukes takes it even further and presents a mystery in the first 3 chapters that alludes to Christ's birth around the Feast of Tabernacles.
(If yall would like I could take the time to explain Luke's mystery, it is reconfirmed by the symbolism in John as well)


note: in Young's Literal Translation Bible the word tabernacle is actuall used -John1:14 And the Word became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of an only begotten of a father, full of grace and truth.

Hope this helps.

a reason to actually read the ot even if you dont agree with me. so that one does know what the nt book revalation alludes too.

 

[Thranduil]

This is where we dissagree.I dont believe in a NWO.I believe the prophecies concerning the beast are for his kingdom and not the entire world.In fact I believe that I myself will not be beheaded for the witness of Jesus and I will not rule for 1000 years.I believe those are the Messianic jews inside the nation of Israel who are murderd .

When I read of the waters where the whore sits Isee the demographics of Israel .Not the world.
Its not me who shall be killed.Its you.

If the waters on which the woman sits are the peoples, multitudes, NATIONS, and languages,

How is it just ONE nation.

 

[jasoncran]

and no, i dont see the sacrificial system restarted but the worship in isreal is still done as why does it mention the theres no rain there in the nations that wont go to the temple to worship.

some pretribbers believe that the temple is where the lord is when he comes to reign on the earth.

question to all is there an actual return of christ to the earth?

 

[zone]

This is where we dissagree.I dont believe in a NWO.I believe the prophecies concerning the beast are for his kingdom and not the entire world.In fact I believe that I myself will not be beheaded for the witness of Jesus and I will not rule for 1000 years.I believe those are the Messianic jews inside the nation of Israel who are murderd .

When I read of the waters where the whore sits Isee the demographics of Israel .Not the world.
Its not me who shall be killed.Its you.

hi shiloh
where will you be? raptured?

Revelation 1824
And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

what you're not grasping is that this power will ultimately rule the entire world...and we're not far from it.

zone.

 

[TonkaTim]

Doc

As a side(not meant to be criticism): I find your comment about familiarity of the old testament pretty common in this time. Once folks are strong in the Gospel's I always recommend old testment study. It is powerful in the proclaiming of the coming Christ. The secure knowledge & confirmation that Christ has been taught from the beginning strengthens ones faith and empowers their personal walk with God. It also empowers one as a better witness to the Truth of Christ, knowing it has always been about Christ by the Word of the complete Gospel.

in Him,

TT

edit:

This is why John references Christ with the metaphor - The Lamb slain from the the foundation of the world. (the beginning)

 

[zone]

PLAY THIS VIDEO, and the others related to it.....see if this sounds familiar:


Rabbi Skobac Why Christians are turning to Orthodox Judaism part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOKrfutwRR0


click this link to see who is promoting this teaching:

http://www.iheartnoahides.com/2008/08/why-christians-are-turning-to-judaism/


take your time on that site and look over the proposals carefully.

see if they sound like what you have been hearing.

ask yourselves where this may be leading. if you have studied prophecy to any extent, you should know where this is headed.


click here to be reminded to not follow the voice of a stranger:

Seven Noahide Laws

the time has come for us to not keep silent.

this is our greatest threat, it's time to PURGE THIS LEAVEN.

christians are being led to slaughter (falling away). their mouths must be stopped.

i warn you again, as Paul did (please read this and don't let it slip from your minds):

<< Hebrews 6 >>
King James Version

1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this will we do, if God permit.

4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.


the meaning of this warning should be crystal clear: THESE PEOPLE WILL BE CUT OFF.

are you willing to stand against it, at any cost?

zone

Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Matthew 16:6
Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

please post your thoughts on this matter. don't keep silent.

 

[jasoncran]

tonkatim, i read the ot first then didnt hit the nt till hit either after jeremiah and ezekiel.

the lord told me that as a jew i need to know where i came from.

the sacrifice of the isaac by abraham is a pointer to the messiah and a must read. and no he didnt sacrifice him, but if you look where and what was eventually sacrificied. it has to be nothing else