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Mystery, Babylon the Great, Mother of Harlots

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first off, you forget that i said that isreal isnt at that state, and two and no jew know his tribe. has that been told to them yet.

and if you want to go there then blame the u.n and brittain.



brittian denied the two state solution. ever heard of the white paper?
the arabs didnt have any problems with the jews getting a state,till the brits changed their minds.

and i will go to an actuall historical source not wikipedia as well any MUSLIM could add to that without having any problems with that.

if one is going to accuse any nation of that stuff then we need to go the right type of sources not wikipedia. an i'm sure those christians were well treated by those ever God fearing muslims. not.

They must have gotten along ok with the muslims since they were the majority in Jerusalem 51% in 1947

I assume they get along like they do now in Gaza and the rest of the middle east.
They even share power in Lebanon.
Politics of Lebanon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now who was it again that made war on the saints in Jerusalem in the modern era?
So you're probably right sounds very anti-christ to me.

Doc may be on to something about that synagogue of satan stuff.

(and yes, I'm fully aware of the civil war in Lebanon, that too was a result of 1948)

And since Doc is talking about "those say they are jews but are not, for they are liars"
How about those chazars - JewishEncyclopedia.com - CHAZARS:

Figured that might be a credible link for you?

There is some unique info about the Ashkenazi genetics in the US .gov scientific paper I linked previously that may lend quite a bit if credibility to what Doc Stranglove is saying, but take that up with him.

But I'll note Jewish historian Jacob Rader Marcus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia who wrote The Jew in the Medieval World: A Source Book. Which contains the Khazar Correspondence - Wikisource that he translated.

I usually don't go down this rabbit hole because I'm not entirely sure. Our governments own scientific papers do seem to confirm it. Many geneticists seem convinced as well.

Doc Stranglove - What's your thoughts on the khazars? Are these the folks your talking about? The Ashkenazi?
 
vic pm me those verses, i wish to study those.
Jason,

Since it is relevant to this thread, I'll post some resources here. I have posted much on this over the last few years, so I sifted through older posts and came up with some links.

I'll start here, since this topic has been covered many times in the Forum:

http://www.christianforums.net/f20/revelation-17-harlot-27296/

Here are some links I've posted over time:

Revelation 17, 18: Babylon the Great the Mother of Harlots is Jerusalem
Great Harlot (Forerunner Commentary) :: Bible Tools
Rome or Jerusalem? A Study of the Whore of Babylon in Revelation
WHO IS THE GREAT WHORE OF THE BOOK OF REVELATION?
The Whore of Babylon

Happy studying. :salute
 
conjecture given muslim animosity towards the kafir, are we not killed in morroco, saudi arabia. and also the countries of iran,iraq. and also afghanistan.

are All jews khazars? or is this only a segment. may be i should do a thread on why the UNITED States is the beast.

as i used to believe that one, taught that by the jws. and back then in the 80's we at least fit the harlot. after all if we were to fail the world would be stricken as who doenst use our standard the united states dollars.

i will read that link, but i find it hard when it clearly says that the lord will redeem these jews in the end times.

which you ignore.

and then i could also claim and rightly so that these groups operate in the anti-christ spirit

the aclu
adl
the democratic party(not all dems)
some of republicans
the govt of china
must muslim nations
cuba
brittish govt
canadian govt
our govt

and certian rights pushers indivually.

anything that exalts itsself against christ is the of that spirit.
 
conjecture given muslim animosity towards the kafir, are we not killed in morroco, saudi arabia. and also the countries of iran,iraq. and also afghanistan.

are All jews khazars? or is this only a segment. may be i should do a thread on why the UNITED States is the beast.

as i used to believe that one, taught that by the jws. and back then in the 80's we at least fit the harlot. after all if we were to fail the world would be stricken as who doenst use our standard the united states dollars.

i will read that link, but i find it hard when it clearly says that the lord will redeem these jews in the end times.

which you ignore.

and then i could also claim and rightly so that these groups operate in the anti-christ spirit

the aclu
adl
the democratic party(not all dems)
some of republicans
the govt of china
must muslim nations
cuba
brittish govt
canadian govt
our govt

and certian rights pushers indivually.

anything that exalts itsself against christ is the of that spirit.

interesting you've listed these:

the aclu
adl
the democratic party(not all dems)
some of republicans
the govt of china
must muslim nations
cuba
brittish govt
canadian govt
our govt

you're right. they call it "Fabian Socialism"...very slow increments so the people don't notice.

ever so slowly the bad guys have done what nimrod did: come, let us make a name for ourselves, make a tower - they came together with one language under nimrod to cast God aside and build their own religion and culture (read Psalm 2)

God came down and smashed the tower of Babel, and confused them by creating separate languages to stop man from doing this again until the appointed time. they were unable to come together again in that way until now.

the mystery Schools have hidden the secrets of all demonic things, all rebellious things, and carried them forward to today. this is what we call the NWO. the communistic system is such a system: but communism per se, has no religion : it worships military power and might. but the Communists/Fascists have all been PLACED into power. no one gets there by chance. any world leader who isn't part of the club gets whacked.

all america's wealth (and Iraqi oil) has been sent to Red china, which was set up by the fake jews (zionists)...look into Mao's financiers and media (propaganda agents)...same playbook. Mao was just an idiot who was a CIA/MI5/Mossad creation. Mao was actually a Skull & Bonesman! China is the great model for what the world will be like....but with the Laws enforced. they've planned it from 2,000 years ago.

what we need to understand is that at the top, these men have had their consciences seared with a hot iron. they are reprobate, and God is through with them. we call them psychopaths. they sleep well at night, and have ZERO empathy. most of them are sexual deviants as well. they are vessels fitted for wrath.

but everything they do is leading to one thing: the death of christians, and an attempt to Kill Christ (good luck with that!).

the Bible says that God in His Wisdom has hidden His plan, so the wicked powers in both realms don't know that they are working His plan and bringing judgment upon themselves, and salvation for us, and Glory to Him. it says if they had known killing Jesus meant Salvation, THEY NEVER WOULD HAVE DONE IT! LOL.

He's hidden these things from the "wise" and revealed them to infants and babes (us), grateful sinners, who seek Him empty handed and in humility.

a study of the phrase Mystery, Babylon The Great, etc....

shows that the word Mystery means hidden religious initiation, and Great mean Tyrannical. you would find in studies of Masonry, for example, especially Shriners, that they invented Islam! and they run it from behind the scenes. The House of Saud (Saudi Arabia is a British Creation - Rothschild (means Red Shield - his sign is the magen david).

regards
zone.
 
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i dont think the shriners invented islam but they borrowed from the muslim

the fez is the hat that the egyptians were and they(shriners) also have that name where of the city where the christian were killed.

and i could add most of hollywood.

the spirit of the ac is working but i dont think that the ac is on this earht yet, if he is he hasnt been revealed yet.

oh, henry Ford, the rockefellers
both were very hateful of the jew and also the christian especially the later.
 
i dont think the shriners invented islam but they borrowed from the muslim

the fez is the hat that the egyptians were and they(shriners) also have that name where of the city where the christian were killed.

and i could add most of hollywood.

the spirit of the ac is working but i dont think that the ac is on this earht yet, if he is he hasnt been revealed yet.

oh, henry Ford, the rockefellers
both were very hateful of the jew and also the christian especially the later.

ya....i don't judge the individual, i don't know if God will perform a miracle and pull them to our side or not.

but we know them by their fruits.

the love of money is the root of all evil.....always follow the money.

Doc is working hard, and he's right on. he wasn't raised in Talmudism...he's just finding all this out. i'm grateful for people who are willing to stand up for the truth: wicked men are in on this NWO, both jew and gentile.....

the shriners as they exist today didn't invent Islam...but they run it....Islam is another Daughter (like Rome) of the Mother. each major religion has Mystery Adepts steering it, including Apostate "Christianity".

regards
zone.
 
we dont know if he was raised in the temple. i dont recall him saying that. he has some unusual positions on science.

doc, if you arent able to acess to the science forum please request it.

go back a few pages and you will find that i listed my uncle as a rich jew. he to my knowledge wasnt of that ideal.

he was very pro democrat, but so are most jews in america.
 
i will read that link, but i find it hard when it clearly says that the lord will redeem these jews in the end times.

which you ignore.

Are you talking about the 144,000 here?
 
those and the ones that will in the end times be surrounded by the armies of the ac when they realise that he aint who he said he was.

and those "jews" can only be the ones that see the messiah as saviour as our lord and savior christ.

that is reqired for salvation.
 
i wonder what you say about the millienial riegn of christ and his physical return to the earth.
 
we dont know if he was raised in the temple. i dont recall him saying that. he has some unusual positions on science.

doc, if you arent able to acess to the science forum please request it.

go back a few pages and you will find that i listed my uncle as a rich jew. he to my knowledge wasnt of that ideal.

he was very pro democrat, but so are most jews in america.

most jews don't have any idea what's happening (nor gentiles). this group at the top is both jew and gentile and they are hard-core evil.
 
The 144,000 listed represent a select from All of Israel.

Judah is just a small part.

There are 14 total tribes. Fourteen not one.

Rueben is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Gad is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Asher is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Naphtali is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Mannaseh is not a Jew - Judah is his brother by adoption - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Simeon is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Levi is not a Jew - Judah is his brother (though a portion is part of the kingdom of Judah, some can be called a jew)
Issachar is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Zebulun is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Joseph is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Benjiman is not a Jew - Judah is his brother(though a part of the kingdom of Judah,can be called a jew)

That still leaves Dan & Ephraim which are not identified in the 144,000
Dan is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Ephraim is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah

That is 12 tribes who are not Judah.

These 12 tribes make up the northern kingdom called Israel

All 14 tribes = All of Israel

Refusing to identify the lost tibes, who & where they are, becomes a huge problem and seriously colors what is going on in scripture. This is the mystery Paul is teaching in Romans. How God chose a small people to bring Christ to all People.

The endtimes is not just about Judah. It is about All of Isreal. All believers in Christ are All of Isreal.

The examples are clear, look in Exodus - mixed mulitude - left egypt & entered Caanan with the same inheritence. This was all the people hebrew & goyim who believed & trusted God in the first passover(symbolizing Christ).
 
The 144,000 listed represent a select from All of Israel.

Judah is just a small part.

There are 14 total tribes. Fourteen not one.

Rueben is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Gad is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Asher is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Naphtali is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Mannaseh is not a Jew - Judah is his brother by adoption - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Simeon is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Levi is not a Jew - Judah is his brother (though a portion is part of the kingdom of Judah, some can be called a jew)
Issachar is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Zebulun is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Joseph is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Benjiman is not a Jew - Judah is his brother(though a part of the kingdom of Judah,can be called a jew)

That still leaves Dan & Ephraim which are not identified in the 144,000
Dan is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Ephraim is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah

That is 12 tribes who are not Judah.

These 12 tribes make up the northern kingdom called Israel

All 14 tribes = All of Israel

Refusing to identify the lost tibes, who & where they are, becomes a huge problem and seriously colors what is going on in scripture. This is the mystery Paul is teaching in Romans. How God chose a small people to bring Christ to all People.

The endtimes is not just about Judah. It is about All of Isreal. All believers in Christ are All of Isreal.

The examples are clear, look in Exodus - mixed mulitude - left egypt & entered Caanan with the same inheritence. This was all the people hebrew & goyim who believed & trusted God in the first passover(symbolizing Christ).

That's interesting.
 
you forgot the idea of this, men who were virgins and didnt lie, so that elimantates quite alot. and why would it list a tribe then if its gentile /jew mix?

sure there will be jew gentile mix.
 
you forgot the idea of this, men who were virgins and didnt lie, so that elimantates quite alot. and why would it list a tribe then if its gentile /jew mix?

sure there will be jew gentile mix.


What does their character & sexual purity (virginity) have to do with their genetics? Nothing!

Their sexual purity (virginity) and their truthfullness does not change this;

The 144,000 listed represent a select from All of Israel.

Judah is just a small part.

There are 14 total tribes. Fourteen not one.

Rueben is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Gad is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Asher is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Naphtali is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Mannaseh is not a Jew - Judah is his brother by adoption - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Simeon is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Levi is not a Jew - Judah is his brother (though a portion is part of the kingdom of Judah, some can be called a jew)
Issachar is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Zebulun is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Joseph is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Benjiman is not a Jew - Judah is his brother(though a part of the kingdom of Judah,can be called a jew)

That still leaves Dan & Ephraim which are not identified in the 144,000
Dan is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah
Ephraim is not a Jew - Judah is his brother - Never part of the kingdom of Judah

That is 12 tribes who are not Judah.

These 12 tribes make up the northern kingdom called Israel

All 14 tribes = All of Israel

Refusing to identify the lost tibes, who & where they are, becomes a huge problem and seriously colors what is going on in scripture. This is the mystery Paul is teaching in Romans. How God chose a small people to bring Christ to all People.

The endtimes is not just about Judah. It is about All of Isreal. All believers in Christ are All of Isreal.

The examples are clear, look in Exodus - mixed mulitude - left egypt & entered Caanan with the same inheritence. This was all the people hebrew & goyim who believed & trusted God in the first passover(symbolizing Christ).
 
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There is a difference between a person who is a virgin in a doctrinal sense and a person who is sexually "pure".
 
ok then why does the bible list the them a jews by tribe and call them that, surely john knows what a jew is? after all surely they know their own race.

and why list them by tribe and name if they are only jews?

makes no sense to me.

if its list each by tribe

12,000 out of the tribe of benjamin, and 12,000 and also the others.

i can see that point and failed to correct that. its a bad habit i learned some where and its called 144,000

ah chapter revalation 7:4 calls them this out of the children of isreal.

interesting:

and most jews use the word hebrew and call themselves that, i switch back and forth on that.
 
revalation 14:4 says that these werent defiled with women, i think that means a virgin.
 
you forgot the idea of this, men who were virgins and didnt lie, so that elimantates quite alot. and why would it list a tribe then if its gentile /jew mix?

sure there will be jew gentile mix.

i believe the 144,000 are described as virgins because they have not been tainted with Rabbinic Judaism (which is not Torah Observance). God refers to idolatry, having other gods/religions as adultery, so this makes sense to me.

Dan IS restored at the very end.
 
it says clearly that 144,000 will be undefiled with women, so that cant be the case for that definition though i do agree these guys will be pure in their faith as they will be of isreali descent and also like us followers of christ.

it says nothing of the ot sacrifes they will make for their sins. they must be christians.
 
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