No Charges against God's Elect !

[savedbygrace57]

Did God impute Adam's sin unto the elect ?

The Answer to this question is yes and no, and let me yell you why. Yes in the sense that God considered all having sinned when Adam sinned because of our solidarity with him as our head. So God see's all in Adam as sinning when he sinned even though they had not yet been born or existed, and God because of that constitutes all who were in him as sinners, and we will be manifest as such at birth. But now, what about the legal condemnation of sin in adam, yes it was real legal condemnation, but that aspect was not imputed to our charge [If elect]. Yes, in and ourselves we were made guilty subjective sinners, and more than worthy of death, but Thanks be to God for our Surety, the Lord Jesus Christ, the Surety of the everlasting covenant, all the legal condemnation, demerit and guilt of His peoples sins, to include the initial sin in adam and all trespasses thereafter were laid legally to His Charge and not to the world he represented and was the head of, and so we read Paul's words 2 Cor 5:

19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

 

[savedbygrace57]

Legal Union by Love and Suretiship !

There is and was always a Legal union between Christ and the Elect or His Church, the bond being God's Eternal Love for them in Christ. God Loved them in Him as early as He Loved Christ, this is stated in Jn 17:

23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

Notice vs 23 " And hast Loved them [speaking of His disciples and vs 20 all that shall believe on Christ through their word] as thou hast Loved Me.

The word as is the adverb kathōs and means:
according as

a) just as, even as

b) in proportion as, in the degree that

2) since, seeing that, agreeably to the fact that

So The Father Loved all the Chosen in Christ in the same way in proportion and degree as He Loved His Beloved Son in whom He is well Pleased. And so He had to Love them as He did His Son, when ? Before the foundation of the world vs 24b

for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

With this in Mind, they Christ and those Chosen in Him [Eph 1:4] were one in the eyes of the Law, just as a bondsman and debtor are one in a legal sense. What the debtors owe in this case, their sins against God, first in Adam, and then their actual Personal Transgressions, became the full responsibility of their Surety. Christ had become for them, a Surety of a better covenant, He laid Himself under obligation to pay the debts of His People, and satisfy God's Justice for their sins, hence their sins were indeed, imputed to Him, and His righteousness imputed to them. It is the elects Eternal Union with Christ before the world began which form the ground and basis for what Christ has done for them upon His Cross. Yes, it was this Legal Union and Love that formed the reality of No Charges Legally been imputed to them, and for their Justification before God from all sin, before the world began, even before Adam was created and transgressed in the beginning and they in Him..

 

[savedbygrace57]

Legal innocence for the Elect !



Rom 8:

33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

You see, all the elect for whom Christ died, rose, and makes intercession for at the right hand of God, have a legal innocence, being Justified before God by His Death. Christ death was the actual in time accomplishment of God's Sovereign purpose to Justify His People. Even when they are unconverted and living in sin and unbelief by nature, this cannot cancel out the merits of Christ death and blood for them. This is their Justification before God by matter of fact, fact being the blood of Christ.

Now there is a difference of Justification by matter of fact, and Justification by matter of experience, which is only enjoyed by believers by born again Faith, but Justification of fact belongs to all the elect whether believers or non believers, because its premised upon solely what Christ accomplished on His cross alone ! So the elect are born into this world as sinners with a legal innocence before God, for Christ sake..

 

[Eventide]

So the elect are born into this world as sinners with a legal innocence before God, for Christ sake..

Huh, my bible says that all men in Adam are condemned... even condemned already if they believe not on the Lord Jesus Christ..

EVEN after we're saved and justified by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.. our flesh is still condemned.. and our justification of life is the life of Christ in us, not our old life which is corrupt according to deceitful lusts.. but rather the inifintely glorious life of CHRIST IN US..

 

[Elijah674]

Huh, my bible says that all men in Adam are condemned... even condemned already if they believe not on the Lord Jesus Christ..

EVEN after we're saved and justified by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.. our flesh is still condemned.. and our justification of life is the life of Christ in us, not our old life which is corrupt according to deceitful lusts.. but rather the inifintely glorious life of CHRIST IN US..

That does not seem that complicated does it? There is NO DOUBT that the Godhead knew in Eternity who would MATURE & be saved;). They SUPPLIED it ALL FOR US! (Phil, 4:13, 2 Cor. 12:9)

And because that They Knew we would or would not MATURE TO A LOVING WORKING OBEDIENT LIVING BY & ALL FAITH LIFE (Rom. 8:1 + Rom. 8:14) does not let us know [yet,] EXCEPT BY OBEDIENT [[LOVING LIVING WORKING FAITH!]];)

--Elijah

 

[savedbygrace57]

even:

Huh, my bible says that all men in Adam are condemned

I am glad its your bible, and not the Bible..

 

[Webers_Home]

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Did God impute Adam's sin unto the elect ?

It's always kind of fun to rattle the arm-chair expositors' cages with this dialogue :

FAQ : Did God impute Adam's sin to Christ?

Answer : Yes

FAQ : How do you know?

Answer : Easy. Christ wasn't immortal.

†. Rom 5:12 . .Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men.

FAQ : But wouldn't Adam's sin disqualify the Lord as the lamb of God? I mean, after all, aren't sacrificial lambs supposed to be without spot or blemish?

Answer : Correct; sacrificial lambs are supposed to be without spot or blemish. But Adam's sin wasn't the Lord's spot or blemish; it was Adam's. Christ didn't commit any sins of his own. (Heb 4:15, 1Pet 2:22)

FAQ : Who died for Christ in order to blot out Adam's sin?

Answer : The lord died for himself. You see; the correct satisfaction of justice for one's imputed complicity in Adam's sin is not Hell and eternal suffering; no, it's just simply one's own physical death.

FAQ : Then why do dead people go to Hell?

Answer : Because their first death only satisfies justice for Adam's sin; not for their own sins. In order to satisfy justice for their own sins, the dead have to die a second time by bodily immersion in the reservoir of liquefied flame depicted at Rev 20:11-15. And since there is but one resurrection allotted per person (Dan 12:2, John 5:29) then nobody is coming back from that reservoir.

In other words; had the Lord committed even one sin of his own, he would not have come back from death in three days like he said he would.

FAQ : Is the reservoir of liquefied flame inevitable?

Answer : It is not inevitable. You can opt to die for the second time by proxy participation in Christ's crucifixion and thus evade dying for the second time in the fiery impoundment.

†. Rom 6:3 . . Don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?

†. Rom 6:6 . . Our old self was crucified with him

†. Gal 2:20 . . I am crucified with Christ

†. Col 3:3 . . For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.

FAQ : How do I avail myself of this "proxy" about which you speak?

Answer : Easy; just request it.

†. John 6:37 . . All those that the Father has given me will come to me, and I will not turn any of them away.

†. Rom 10:13 . . For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be spared.

C.L.I.F.F.
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[Eventide]

even:



I am glad its your bible, and not the Bible..

Maybe you can explain what this means then...but I won't hold my breath..

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

So tell us what the emboldened part here means to a Calvinist..

How about this one...

He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[savedbygrace57]

event:

Maybe you can explain what this means then...but I won't hold my breath..

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

I already have , search my posts for it..

 

[Eventide]

event:



I already have , search my posts for it..

I did, couldn't find it..

So it should be easy for you to explain what it means..

 

[savedbygrace57]

even:

I did, couldn't find it..

Keep up the search, its there..

 

[Eventide]

even:



Keep up the search, its there..

Its obvious that you can't SBG, and that's not surprising.

 

[Elijah674]

Rom 8:

31What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?


32He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

This too is the Gospel ! We talk much about God's Love and rightly so, for He Loved the world of His own People so much that He sacrificed His Only begotten Son per Jn 3 16 & 1 jn 4 9

Jn 3:

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1 jn 4

9In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

In doing this, He [ God the Father] laid to His Son's charge all the legal condemnation that His sinful People had incurred and rightly deserved, in order that He [ Jesus Christ] would pay the death penalty, the curse, and condemnation on their behalf, that He would satisfy His righteousness and strict Justice.

Christ having done this, God in Justice and Righteousness cannot in all Fairness hold any charges of legal condemnation against any for whom Christ died, namely vs 33 God's elect..

So it is in the scheme of Salvation, that none of those Christ died for, can be legally condemned by God, though they are oft times by others and even themselves, because of the obedience [meaning His Death phil 2:8]. Because of this, it will be given to each of them, and them only to believe on His name per phil 1:

29For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

It is given to some [ who Christ died for and took upon Himself their condemnation] to believe upon His Name..

Those who do believe in Christ through His Gospel, are making manifest that they are not condemned before God [ Christ having taken their condemnation upon Himself], hence it is written,

Jn 3:18a

He that believeth on him is not condemned: Yes, Believing on Him indicates that they are not in a condemned state, why ? Because Christ has been condemned for them..

but next He that believeth not:

but he that believeth not is condemned already: meaning, being in a condemned state already, he cannot believe. Those who reject the True Gospel and its doctrines, make manifest that they are remaining in a condemned state, Christ having not bore their sin penalty, so it is not given to them in behalf of Christ to believe on Him..

because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

In other words, not believing on the only begotten Son is evidence that one is in a already condemned state..

Those who come to believe on Christ are giving evidence of having been given the Faith of Gods elect, and that they never had [as Gods elect] charges laid upon them by God, because God laid them on their Surety and Shepherd His Son Jesus Christ, and it is He that had died for them already..

Those whose sins never being charged to Christ, they cannot believe as indicated by Jn 12:39

Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,

This means too that they were not of God's elect..

Well, what about the freedom that mainstream church hold? Surely you do not believe that they were always such as Rev. 17:1-5 depict? And either you or I as individuals could also fall into this group by our 'freedom' that God allows! And I do notice that the verses posted by you leave out the ETERNAL GOSPEL CONDITIONS TO ALL PROMISES OF GOD. :bigcry(Rev. 22:18-19)
Here is a short note by me on another site pertaining to 'Mainstream Church's Becoming satanic'

[I posted:]
We find that Christ is eternal Truth which has spoken in Heb. 13:8-9, and that He NEVER changes His Word. And as has been pointed out why the mainstream church's are having a new leader present? Christ's Word in Josh. 7:12's last part of the verse explains why He will just flat out will not be in any church that will not obey His Truth, while knowingly understanding it.

Joshua 7
[12] '... neither will I be with you anymore, except ye destroy the accursed from among you.' And for this one only reason of 'theft', that of breaking just one of the ten commandments, 36 men died & the [whole of Israel] were held accountable as a partaker with this FATAL Warning. (compare Rev. 18:4) And when Christ was not there according to the 'thread title', who was there? Matt. 23:38 or Rev. 3:9 has a final mature rejection as with the church's of Rev. 17:1-5 if the Word of God is believed?
--Elijah

This post has been edited by Elijah674: Today, 05:14 AM

 

[savedbygrace57]

Its obvious that you can't SBG, and that's not surprising.

Keep up the search, check all my threads..

 

[Eventide]

Keep up the search, check all my threads..

Again, painfully obvious that you can't share a simple interpretation of Romans 5:18...

 

[savedbygrace57]

Again, painfully obvious that you can't share a simple interpretation of Romans 5:18...

Been there and done that..search for it..

 

[Eventide]

Been there and done that..search for it..

Been there, done that.. and I even gave you the interpretation of Romans 5:18 in the Romans 9 thread.. something that you can't seem to do. So be it.

 

[savedbygrace57]

even:

Been there, done that..

Yep, Check my posts ,all of them, make use of the post finder function.

 

[RoadDebris]

Its obvious that you can't SBG, and that's not surprising.

Dude, are you questioning someone's salvation or is that a false inference on my part? You're aware that election is a nonessential issue, right? You're aware that we're saved by grace through faith in Christ, not saved by grace through faith plus agreeing with you on predestination, right?

 

[savedbygrace57]

road:

You're aware that election is a nonessential issue, right?

I would have to disagree with you on that. Its part of the Gospel of God's Grace. Salvation is by the Election of Grace Rom 11:

5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6And if by grace [election of grace], then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.